Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

copeyhagen · 09-12-2020 12:23PM

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Where to begin with this post. Some people on here really do operate in an alternate reality.

you have proof to the contrary?

KrustyUCC · 09-12-2020 12:26PM

gmisk wrote: »

I got a call from my husband, he decided to just get off luas and walk into town.
Seemingly pretty rammed, lot of people not wearing masks, load of homeless people, alcoholics and drug addicts hoping on and off not a bother or a mask in sight....lovely

So much for mandatory use of face masks on public transport :mad:

Ashbourne hoop · 09-12-2020 12:26PM

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Where to begin with this post. Some people on here really do operate in an alternate reality.

Best ignored.

gmisk · 09-12-2020 12:27PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

So much for mandatory use of face masks on public transport :mad:

In fairness I warned him the luas was a bit like the wild west at the minute...heard similar from a few people.
My experiences on the bus have all been excellent.

KrustyUCC · 09-12-2020 12:36PM

Bus Eireann is fairly good down here as well

Hard to see what can be done with the Luas as the drivers won't wait until those without masks leave the tram before moving on

Kermit.de.frog · 09-12-2020 12:41PM

Germany preparing to implement new restrictions following record 622 deaths yesterday.

https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/1336619043634245633

Jim_Hodge · 09-12-2020 12:52PM

A bit of caution this morning on the vaccine

UK regulators have issued a warning that people who have a history of "significant" allergic reactions should not currently receive the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine after two people who had the jab yesterday had allergic reactions.

09-12-2020 12:56PM

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Where to begin with this post. Some people on here really do operate in an alternate reality.

So what do you disagree with then?

Do you think we done enough to prevent spread in nursing homes and hospitals?

Do you think masks have reduced cases?

Do you think lockdown has prevented thousands of deaths despite looking at Sweden.

Do you think spending a few quid on food in a pub has prevented deaths?

Maybe make a point instead of posting nonsense.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-12-2020 12:57PM

Vaccines, no matter what they are for, are not play things or political tools. Very foolish behaviour by the UK government to rush things for political point scoring.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-12-2020 01:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you think lockdown has prevented thousands of deaths despite looking at Sweden.

Do you know how many deaths combined there has been in Finland, Norway and Denmark compared to Sweden?

I'd highly suggest you look it up. Your answer is there.

Unequivocally Sweden took the wrong course to it's neighbors. It's not a debate, it's reality backed by statistics.

09-12-2020 01:00PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Germany preparing to implement new restrictions following record 622 deaths yesterday.

https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/1336619043634245633

Not really relevant to relaxing restrictions in Ireland though is it?

A week or two back it was Belgium you were using to spread misery.

TonyMaloney · 09-12-2020 01:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So what do you disagree with then?

Do you think we done enough to prevent spread in nursing homes and hospitals?

Do you think masks have reduced cases?

Do you think lockdown has prevented thousands of deaths despite looking at Sweden.

Do you think spending a few quid on food in a pub has prevented deaths?

Maybe make a point instead of posting nonsense.

that is completely nuts

they've had thousands more deaths than us and are currently close to matching the worst days of their first wave

Kermit.de.frog · 09-12-2020 01:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really relevant to relaxing restrictions in Ireland though is it?

A week or two back it was Belgium you were using to spread misery.

1. This thread is not exclusively about Ireland.

2. Belgium remains in misery. Please keep yourself abreast of the statistics.

09-12-2020 01:02PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Do you know how many deaths combined there has been in Finland, Norway and Denmark compared to Sweden?

I'd highly suggest you look it up. Your answer is there.

Unequivocally Sweden took the wrong course to it's neighbors. It's not a debate, it's reality backed by statistics.

Did bodies pile up on the street though as many predicted?

Nope. They have an older population hence more deaths.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-12-2020 01:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Did bodies pile up on the street though as many predicted?

Nope. They have an older population hence more deaths.

Yeah, look, you can time sink other posters willing to tolerate it. You refuse to take information in or provide statistics (because they refute your points).

Have a nice day though.

ElJeffe · 09-12-2020 01:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really relevant to relaxing restrictions in Ireland though is it?

A week or two back it was Belgium you were using to spread misery.

I didn't know the thread was just about Covid19 Irish issues?

09-12-2020 01:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Yeah, look, you can time sink other posters willing to tolerate it. You refuse to take information in or provide statistics (because they refute your points).

Have a nice day though.

I will have a nice day. And lots of people in this country will too as they go about their business.

You can keep spreading misery from other countries all you want.

BeefeaterHat · 09-12-2020 01:13PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/dec/09/covid-used-as-pretext-to-curtail-civil-rights-around-the-world-finds-report

Unsurprising, but depressing nevertheless.

And the worst part is it's been cheerled by an adoring public who seem to have Stockholm syndrome for lockdown. If someone told me this time last year that people would be calling to be locked up at home for months by the government, I'd have asked the barman for some of whatever you were drinking.

ElJeffe · 09-12-2020 01:14PM

gmisk wrote: »

I got a call from my husband, he decided to just get off luas and walk into town.
Seemingly pretty rammed, lot of people not wearing masks, load of homeless people, alcoholics and drug addicts hoping on and off not a bother or a mask in sight....lovely

My daughter takes it to school every morning well that was until this Monday when my wife has decided to just bring her and make arrangements in work to be late and leave early. She took some photos of the amount of people on it Monday morning and we decided it's not worth risking her health or ours to continue in the same fashion. Also a lot of people are just not bothering with masks now it seems which isn't great.

jimmycrackcorm · 09-12-2020 01:14PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/dec/09/covid-used-as-pretext-to-curtail-civil-rights-around-the-world-finds-report

Unsurprising, but depressing nevertheless.

I suppose the Spanish flu was also a "pretext to curtail civil rights around the world". Nothing to do with needing to deal with pandemics to curtail the spread.

Seamai · 09-12-2020 01:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They have an older population hence more deaths.

Not really, 19% of the Irish population is over 65, it's 20% in Sweden so that theory doesn't hold any water. Sweden's death rate which is over 70% higher than here, maybe not as high as quite a few western European countries but shocking for a wealthy country considered utopia by many.

BeefeaterHat · 09-12-2020 01:20PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I suppose the Spanish flu was also a "pretext to curtail civil rights around the world". Nothing to do with needing to deal with pandemics to curtail the spread.

My worry is that lockdowns have become a new weapon in the government's arsenal if they ever need to control the public. Whatever your stance on covid is you have to agree the infringement on people's rights and the intrusion of the government in our personal lives is unacceptable.

At least in the UK they've said that restrictions are ending in the spring while here NPHET and the government have done their level best to piss all over the vaccine.

astrofool · 09-12-2020 02:07PM

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

My worry is that lockdowns have become a new weapon in the government's arsenal if they ever need to control the public. Whatever your stance on covid is you have to agree the infringement on people's rights and the intrusion of the government in our personal lives is unacceptable.

At least in the UK they've said that restrictions are ending in the spring while here NPHET and the government have done their level best to piss all over the vaccine.

Lockdowns have been enforced by the people themselves, we don't have the police force to do much more than we are doing. If a lockdown was enforced for a spurious reason, then the government would need a way to actually enforce it properly, which hasn't happened.

Of course, some idiots will think a pandemic is a spurious reason, and will talk about slippery slopes etc, but they're idiots and best ignored.

Zebra3 · 09-12-2020 02:30PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I suppose the Spanish flu was also a "pretext to curtail civil rights around the world". Nothing to do with needing to deal with pandemics to curtail the spread.

Irish people got on with their lives then despite it being much more lethal around the globe.

Sports events took place and the war against the Tans continued unabated.

caveat emptor · 09-12-2020 02:51PM

Cruise ships still a no go for a while I’d imagine. Everyone on that one confined to their cabin. Great craic.

https://twitter.com/ap/status/1336547135274295303?s=21

vienne86 · 09-12-2020 02:59PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Cruise ships still a no go for a while I’d imagine. Everyone on that one confined to their cabin. Great craic.

https://twitter.com/ap/status/1336547135274295303?s=21

Cruise to nowhere..........and now locked into your cabin......what a way to put in a lockdown!

eagle eye · 09-12-2020 03:13PM

Best news this year.

Ivermectin folks.
It's game over, no more lockdowns, no rush to take a vaccine. Sooner we get this out there the better. It's a cheap drug, been on the market for 40 years, FDA approved. It's a medicine not a vaccine with impressive results when you take it for and prior to treatment.

No more lockdowns, back.to normal.

https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20201208/this-was-a-gift-to-us-ivermectin-effective-for-covid19-prophylaxis-treatment

Leinster90 · 09-12-2020 03:19PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Best news this year.

Ivermectin folks.
It's game over, no more lockdowns, no rush to take a vaccine. Sooner we get this out there the better. It's a cheap drug, been on the market for 40 years, FDA approved. It's a medicine not a vaccine with impressive results when you take it for and prior to treatment.

No more lockdowns, back.to normal.

https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20201208/this-was-a-gift-to-us-ivermectin-effective-for-covid19-prophylaxis-treatment

Are there any reputable publications which have confirmed this drug’s efficacy based on scientific data?

By reputable I mean the BBC, New York Times, Financial Times etc.

Jim_Hodge · 09-12-2020 03:28PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Irish people got on with their lives then despite it being much more lethal around the globe.

Sports events took place and the war against the Tans continued unabated.

Maybe it's just me but I find a fixation on attending sports events during a once in a lifetime unprecedented pandemic slightly bizarre. I love going to a match but it's low on my priority list at the moment; way behind seeing family or opening businesses.

Over 20000 people in Ireland died of the Spanish Flu. People did not go about their lives normally.

From Stacking the Coffins, Influenza, war and revolution in Ireland 1918-1919 (Manchester University Press).

What it did was silence entire communities and towns. You might see two or 3,000 sick in a town like say Dundalk or a thousand in a town like New Ross all under medical care at the same time. You'd see things like businesses shut down not because they were instructed to do so, but because the staff were just gone sick. You'd see the Irish Times writing things like the better sort of client is sending out for their messages just now rather than risking themselves.

Thats me · 09-12-2020 03:31PM

Leinster90 wrote: »

Are there any reputable publications which have confirmed this drug’s efficacy based on scientific data?

By reputable I mean the BBC, New York Times, Financial Times etc.

In the article they refer dr.Marik, so at least source is massively reputable.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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