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Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    As the vaccine is rolled out people will be expecting more of a normality.

    The politicians know they have to face the electorate again one day.

    They can't hide behind Hoolahan for ever.

    And many of the electorate will want to see the vaccination progress, and the management of the spread of the virus until sufficient immunity is achieved, done responsibly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,997 ✭✭✭Russman


    I'm watching prime time and the man talking on the show says there needs to be a campaign so that there's an uptake of the vaccine. I'm not too sure if I heard correctly in what he said but did he say that Ryan tubridy can take the vaccine live on TV. I don't know if Ryan offered vaccine or if it was an example of what can be don't to encourage uptake.


    Ryan already got the virus. Vaccine is going to be so valuable wouldn't that be a little bit of a waste of vaccine?

    Can they raffle off a vaccine night for the late show? I would love to enter a vaccine competition and win a vaccine for the late late (and jump the queue too). I would absolutely go live on the late late and talk positively about getting the vaccine.

    I’m watching it too, but must have missed the Ryan comment.
    I thought the woman from the immunisation committee (can’t remember their exact name) was pretty reassuring and gave fairly good explanations of the rationale behind the categories.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    HSE operations report 8/12 as of 8pm

    210 Covid cases hospitalised - decrease from 216

    ICU Covid cases 31 - increase from 28
    Ventilated 17 - decrease from 18
    0 deaths in ICU last 24 hours


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Zara King's documentary worth a watch?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,506 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Zara King's documentary worth a watch?

    I haven't seen it

    I know nothing about it

    But I'm going to say no


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    majcos wrote: »
    HSE operations report 8/12 as of 8pm

    210 Covid cases hospitalised - decrease from 216

    ICU Covid cases 31 - increase from 28
    Ventilated 17 - decrease from 18
    0 deaths in ICU last 24 hours

    Unfortunately heard tonight of an outbreak in ICU in St Vincent's. Probably the cause of the +3 in ICU


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I know it’s early days, but is the vaccine effective for making the recipient immune, or reducing the impact of the disease? I also wonder how long the effects last and if we will need to be vaccinated every year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Russman wrote: »
    I’m watching it too, but must have missed the Ryan comment.
    I thought the woman from the immunisation committee (can’t remember their exact name) was pretty reassuring and gave fairly good explanations of the rationale behind the categories.

    Dr Karina Butler , very good speaker and reassuring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    I'm watching prime time and the man talking on the show says there needs to be a campaign so that there's an uptake of the vaccine. I'm not too sure if I heard correctly in what he said but did he say that Ryan tubridy can take the vaccine live on TV. I don't know if Ryan offered vaccine or if it was an example of what can be don't to encourage uptake.


    Ryan already got the virus. Vaccine is going to be so valuable wouldn't that be a little bit of a waste of vaccine?

    Can they raffle off a vaccine night for the late show? I would love to enter a vaccine competition and win a vaccine for the late late (and jump the queue too). I would absolutely go live on the late late and talk positively about getting the vaccine.

    Who’s watching the late late show these days anyway? It wouldn’t encourage anyone who already doesn’t want to take it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Sconsey wrote: »
    I'd love the person that created this list to explain why people in the high risk group will get vaccinated ahead of the very high-risk. Either the HSE have their risk assessment messed up or the list is messed up.

    I get the logic of the first few groups, I am not convinced by the key-worker group but whatever. But I can't get my head around a healthy 65 year old being prioritized over someone with cystic fibrosis or kidney failure for example.

    Could be the reaction to vaccine? Immunosuppressed individuals? We are as strong as our immune systems against an enervated live viral vaccine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I know it’s early days, but is the vaccine effective for making the recipient immune, or reducing the impact of the disease? I also wonder how long the effects last and if we will need to be vaccinated every year.

    They said tonight that they really don't know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    They said tonight that they really don't know.

    How could they possibly know?
    They would have to observed trialists who were vaccinated years ago to know that. The phase 3 trials only began a few months ago.

    They will likely know this time next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Unfortunately heard tonight of an outbreak in ICU in St Vincent's. Probably the cause of the +3 in ICU
    Not as per the figures reported this evening.

    New ICU cases today are one each in Limerick, Navan and Tralee. Numbers in St. Vincent’s ICU showed 4 Covid cases on the 5th of December and they have had three Covid cases last three days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    They said tonight that they really don't know.

    Yes. Heard Dr Karina Butler earlier talking about this.
    Said that while AstraZeneca Oxford have been doing nasal swabs weekly ( ?) to check efficacy of vaccine for preventing replication in asymptomatic, and this translates to prevention of transmission, other vaccines have not released this data yet , so it is unknown and maybe they have done this also, or maybe we will have to wait and see.

    She said age was more of a risk factor for severe illness hospitalisation and ICU admissions than a younger person with a severe underlying condition eg 18 year old with Cystic Fibrosis.
    So that is why less high risk but older people prioritised for vaccination.

    I know we all know this given the death rates inthe older age groups , but I do think that the " high risk less than 65 " should be stratified further .
    She did say that it was a " living document" and would be tweaked according to individual's vulnerability , so might be room for improvement ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,506 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I know it’s early days, but is the vaccine effective for making the recipient immune, or reducing the impact of the disease? I also wonder how long the effects last and if we will need to be vaccinated every year.

    This question gets asked seemingly every day, I assume when it's answered it'll be headline news, it's not something that'll go under the radar I'd have thought!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,066 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Who are going to be treating those with underlying conditions before they get the vaccine? Who is going to be treating those with auto immune conditions that mean they may not be able to take the vaccine? Who is going to be treating women in pregnancy who are bottom of the list because the vaccine has not been tested in the group? Some critical thinking wouldn’t go astray

    It certainly won't be receptionists or secretaries. It won't be private practice physical therapists or chiropractors etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    I'm watching prime time and the man talking on the show says there needs to be a campaign so that there's an uptake of the vaccine. I'm not too sure if I heard correctly in what he said but did he say that Ryan tubridy can take the vaccine live on TV. I don't know if Ryan offered vaccine or if it was an example of what can be don't to encourage uptake.


    Ryan already got the virus. Vaccine is going to be so valuable wouldn't that be a little bit of a waste of vaccine?

    Can they raffle off a vaccine night for the late show? I would love to enter a vaccine competition and win a vaccine for the late late (and jump the queue too). I would absolutely go live on the late late and talk positively about getting the vaccine.
    And there's one for everybody in the audience!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,268 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Dr Karina Butler , very good speaker and reassuring.

    Sorry to be really pedantic but its Prof Karina Butler .An amazing lady and wonderful paediatrician .


    https://www.idsociety.ie/prof-karina-butler


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Sorry to be really pedantic but its Prof Karina Butler .An amazing lady and wonderful paediatrician .


    https://www.idsociety.ie/prof-karina-butler
    A paediatrician is a doctor! She's both!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,268 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    is_that_so wrote: »
    A paediatrician is a doctor! She's both!

    Eh Thank you I do know that !!!! .Of course she is a doctor but Her title is Professor Karina Butler .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,145 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,097 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    You just cant make this up its no wonder people are fed up with the restrictions, we do as we are told then you can fly in from a RED Zone Country and not have to do the 14 day Quarantine, just enjoy your Christmas and spread it around.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/committee-expected-to-advise-no-quarantine-period-for-red-region-arrivals-1048484.html


  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zebra3 wrote: »

    This is one of the main reasons why I never supported restrictions.

    There is no proof that lockdowns really help.
    No proof that wearing masks is making any difference.
    No proof that staying within 5KM is safer than 6KM.
    Or that 9 euro prawns are safer than 8 euro wings.
    No proof that closing shops achieves anything.

    Preventing spread in nursing homes and hospitals were the key actions we needed to take. And we failed miserably.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    I know it’s early days, but is the vaccine effective for making the recipient immune, or reducing the impact of the disease? I also wonder how long the effects last and if we will need to be vaccinated every year.

    There is some evidence to the durability of the immune response of the pzifer vaccine. It's fairly positive so far. Obviously we'd need to know 2 3 years from now.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2032195#.X8kidAACBzI.twitter
    Although correlates of protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection in humans are not yet established, these results show that despite a slight expected decline in titers of binding and neutralizing antibodies, mRNA-1273 has the potential to provide durable humoral immunity. Natural infection produces variable antibody longevity3,4 and may induce robust memory B-cell responses despite low plasma neutralizing activity.4,5 Although the memory cellular response to mRNA-1273 is not yet defined, this vaccine elicited primary CD4 type 1 helper T responses 43 days after the first vaccination,2 and studies of vaccine-induced B cells are ongoing. Longitudinal vaccine responses are critically important, and a follow-up analysis to assess safety and immunogenicity in the participants for a period of 13 months is ongoing. Our findings provide support for the use of a 100-μg dose of mRNA-1273 in an ongoing phase 3 trial, which has recently shown a 94.5% efficacy rate in an interim analysis.


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  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    You just cant make this up its no wonder people are fed up with the restrictions, we do as we are told then you can fly in from a RED Zone Country and not have to do the 14 day Quarantine, just enjoy your Christmas and spread it around.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/committee-expected-to-advise-no-quarantine-period-for-red-region-arrivals-1048484.html

    It was always a nonsense. We should have had an EU/EEA arrangement where there was free movement within the bloc, but mandatory quarantine in a supervised facility for anyone coming into the bloc from outside. Just to accept that we have enshrined freedom of movement and work within that arrangement


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    You just cant make this up its no wonder people are fed up with the restrictions, we do as we are told then you can fly in from a RED Zone Country and not have to do the 14 day Quarantine, just enjoy your Christmas and spread it around.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/committee-expected-to-advise-no-quarantine-period-for-red-region-arrivals-1048484.html

    Thank God you aren't running the health service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    You just cant make this up its no wonder people are fed up with the restrictions, we do as we are told then you can fly in from a RED Zone Country and not have to do the 14 day Quarantine, just enjoy your Christmas and spread it around.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/committee-expected-to-advise-no-quarantine-period-for-red-region-arrivals-1048484.html

    People could always fly in from anywhere and not have to quarantine.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    People could always fly in from anywhere and not have to quarantine.

    Yes, this rule would actually improve things as passengers would have to produce proof of not being infected when landing.
    It’s not 100% effective but way better than before as we cannot enforce quarantine on anyone.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    This is one of the main reasons why I never supported restrictions.

    There is no proof that lockdowns really help.
    No proof that wearing masks is making any difference.
    No proof that staying within 5KM is safer than 6KM.
    Or that 9 euro prawns are safer than 8 euro wings.
    No proof that closing shops achieves anything.

    Preventing spread in nursing homes and hospitals were the key actions we needed to take. And we failed miserably.

    Where to begin with this post. Some people on here really do operate in an alternate reality.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,839 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I got a call from my husband, he decided to just get off luas and walk into town.
    Seemingly pretty rammed, lot of people not wearing masks, load of homeless people, alcoholics and drug addicts hoping on and off not a bother or a mask in sight....lovely


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