Schools closed until February? (part 3)

meeeeh · 08-12-2020 04:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

No, nor are they considered 'key workers', after all that. All though education is a core principle, one of the main reasons we have closed off large sections of our economy.

Slap in the face, but sure hardly anything new.

Yeah the health expert group that advised the list and NEPHET who endorsed it before it went to government has a thing against teachers.

08-12-2020 04:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

No, nor are they considered 'key workers', after all that. All though education is a core principle, one of the main reasons we have closed off large sections of our economy.

Slap in the face, but sure hardly anything new.

More likely due to the potential knock on impact to a food production or Pharma plant being shut down being regarded as far more serious than a school being shut down. The bulk of the population will be Category 12-15

niamh247 · 08-12-2020 05:04PM

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/revealed-health-staff-teachers-and-students-the-breakdown-of-covid-cases-in-ireland-39833650.html

Revealed: Health staff, teachers and students – the breakdown of Covid cases in Ireland

New data reveals breakdown of Covid-19 cases by employment sector for first time
Details provided on those aged between 16-67
Schoolchildren and students among highest figures

Boggles · 08-12-2020 05:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

More likely due to the potential knock on impact to a food production or Pharma plant being shut down being regarded as far more serious than a school being shut down. The bulk of the population will be Category 12-15

Food production or at least meat production has serial testing.

There has been no real large outbreaks in Pharma from what I have heard, they have been using infection control for decades before Covid 19 existed.

But the reality is, education is at the top of tree in terms of essential services, the very top.

People who work in education don't even make it into the top 10.

All seems legit.

Like I said they are just trolling the unions at this stage.

Boggles · 08-12-2020 05:15PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Yeah the health expert group that advised the list and NEPHET who endorsed it before it went to government has a thing against teachers.

Certainly looks like something is a foot.

Strange by any measurement.

Lillyfae · 08-12-2020 05:19PM

niamh247 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/revealed-health-staff-teachers-and-students-the-breakdown-of-covid-cases-in-ireland-39833650.html

Revealed: Health staff, teachers and students – the breakdown of Covid cases in Ireland

New data reveals breakdown of Covid-19 cases by employment sector for first time
Details provided on those aged between 16-67
Schoolchildren and students among highest figures

It’s paywalled, is there a reference for the report? I’ve checked HSPC and DoH websites, can’t find it.

meeeeh · 08-12-2020 05:25PM

Boggles wrote: »

Certainly looks like something is a foot.

Strange by any measurement.

It was pointed out that key workers are key workers for rollout of vaccine (Donnelly is on Newstalk atm) and not essential workers. Teachers are behind health workers, meat processing plants and at risk groups.

So you can relax bit before you start implying that vaccine group is plotting how to cull teachers...

Boggles · 08-12-2020 05:31PM

meeeeh wrote: »

It was pointed out that key workers are key workers for rollout of vaccine (Donnelly is on Newstalk atm) and not essential workers.

So you can relax bit before you start implying that vaccine group is plotting how to cull teachers...

Would have put them down as frontline workers.

Or at the very least before

4.Other healthcare workers not in direct patient contact

Again all seems legit.

HerrKuehn · 08-12-2020 05:32PM

Boggles wrote: »

Food production or at least meat production has serial testing.

There has been no real large outbreaks in Pharma from what I have heard, they have been using infection control for decades before Covid 19 existed.

But the reality is, education is at the top of tree in terms of essential services, the very top.

People who work in education don't even make it into the top 10.

All seems legit.

Like I said they are just trolling the unions at this stage.

It is a huge conspiracy with some unknown motive. We are very lucky to have people who "partly" work with schools here who know better than the WHO.

Boggles · 08-12-2020 05:34PM

HerrKuehn wrote: »

It is a huge conspiracy with some unknown motive. We are very lucky to have people who "partly" work with schools here who know better than the WHO.

Sure I'm a complete outlier, I will be the only one questioning the logic. Did the WHO compile the list?

Dum Dee Dum.

average_runner · 08-12-2020 05:35PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

It’s paywalled, is there a reference for the report? I’ve checked HSPC and DoH websites, can’t find it.

Article doesn't say how the kids got the virus or did they transfer to each other.

My cousin had symptons while in School, goes down as a school case but she picked it up in a pub. No one in her family got it and no in her class or friends picked it up.

We haven't the capacity to do proper source

08-12-2020 05:35PM

Boggles wrote: »

Food production or at least meat production has serial testing.

There has been no real large outbreaks in Pharma from what I have heard, they have been using infection control for decades before Covid 19 existed.

But the reality is, education is at the top of tree in terms of essential services, the very top.

People who work in education don't even make it into the top 10.

All seems legit.

Like I said they are just trolling the unions at this stage.

It may be that Sector 10 is a relatively small number. In pharma and med device there are global supply chains in play for life saving products. There have been threats to supply chains already through outbreaks and contract tracing in Ireland

meeeeh · 08-12-2020 05:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

Sure I'm a complete outlier, I will be the only one questioning the logic.

Dum Dee Dum.

No you won't be, you will be joined by an army of antivaxxers and similar who overestimate their own expertise. I'm sure unions will find some vaccine experts among their members too.

Also there is a difference between questioning things and insinuating some grand conspiracy.

08-12-2020 05:40PM

Boggles wrote: »

Would have put them down as frontline workers.

Or at the very least before

Again all seems legit.

Hospitals run on more than just dcotors and nurses

Boggles · 08-12-2020 05:40PM

meeeeh wrote: »

No you won't be, you will be joined by an army of antivaxxers and similar who overestimate their own expertise. I'm sure unions will find some vaccine experts among their members too.

You don't think people working in education are entitled to ask why they are been asked to work in a essential service but are not deemed essential workers?

I do personally. I think any reasonable rational thinking person would too.

Boggles · 08-12-2020 05:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hospitals run on more than just dcotors and nurses

Schools run exclusively on school staff.

average_runner · 08-12-2020 05:43PM

Boggles wrote: »

Schools run exclusively on school staff.

It's our choice to take vaccine or not , but we shouldn't expect to jump the queue in the hospital if we need treatment for covid ahead of someone else in there for another illness that is not their fault

meeeeh · 08-12-2020 05:43PM

Boggles wrote: »

You don't think people working in education are entitled to ask why they are been asked to work in a essential service but are not deemed essential workers?

I do personally. I think any reasonable rational thinking person would too.

You insinuate not question?

Questioning would mean you ask why this list and not different list. Insinuation is when you first state that someone has it for unions.

(I amended my post when you were typing your reply).

08-12-2020 05:45PM

Boggles wrote: »

Schools run exclusively on school staff.

Hospitals are more important than schools. Can you not see that?

niamh247 · 08-12-2020 06:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hospitals are more important than schools. Can you not see that?

Well, it has been a long time since people were forced to compare between bad choices and choose the one that is less worse. We lost the ability to recognise the difference between bad choices. All bad choices are equally bad. We scream equally for all. Our response is the same. We rush to send kids to schools because we think "OMG, schools closed? it is so unthinkable ...". There goes all the reationality built into our genes by our evolutionary ancestors who had to chose between worse options. We can't see which one is less worse.

average_runner · 08-12-2020 06:29PM

niamh247 wrote: »

Well, it has been a long time since people were forced to compare between bad choices and choose the one that is less worse. We lost the ability to recognise the difference between bad choices. All bad choices are equally bad. We scream equally for all. Our response is the same. We rush to send kids to schools because we think "OMG, schools closed? it is so unthinkable ...". There goes all the reationality built into our genes by our evolutionary ancestors who had to chose between worse options. We can't see which one is less worse.

Sending kids to school was a good approach.

Boggles · 08-12-2020 06:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hospitals are more important than schools. Can you not see that?

I thought we needed the schools so hospital staff could get to work?

Anyway, what can only be described as an absolutely break neck 180, we have gone from schools are the most essential of services, under no circumstance can they close for a minute, to meh no big deal if they have to close it's not like they are making sausages or Viagra.

Boggles · 08-12-2020 07:00PM

meeeeh wrote: »

You insinuate not question?

Questioning would mean you ask why this list and not different list. Insinuation is when you first state that someone has it for unions.

(I amended my post when you were typing your reply).

Yeah, I'd have a different view, I don't think anyone including school staff should be associated with antivaxers for merely questioning the proposed logic on what is an essential service and what is an essential worker.

Then again I don't detest any profession, that would be weird.

meeeeh · 08-12-2020 07:10PM

Boggles wrote: »

Then again I don't detest any profession, that would be weird.

And you insinuate again...

However I agree it would be weird to detest any profession, about as weird as implying vaccine advisory group intentionally doesn't want to protect teachers.

Boggles · 08-12-2020 07:16PM

meeeeh wrote: »

And you insinuate again...

However I agree it would be weird to detest any profession, about as weird as implying vaccine advisory group intentionally doesn't want to protect teachers.

But you clearly hate teachers.

It's pretty obvious.

meeeeh · 08-12-2020 07:50PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Actually hates all civil servants, had a guy about Gardai on another thread, think nurses in another.

Wtf are you on about?

This would be actually freaky stalking behaviour if you were not lying. In fact you and Boggles are clearly delighted to spread false accusations about me. I have no way to counter that except to say it doesn't reflect well on you.

khalessi · 08-12-2020 07:52PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Wtf are you on about?

This would be actually freaky stalking behaviour if you were not lying. In fact you and Boggles are clearly delighted to spread false accusations about me. I have no way to counter that except to say it doesn't reflect well on you.

This from yourself who yesterday accused me of lying. Funny guy. Im still waiting for the apology.

meeeeh · 08-12-2020 07:57PM

khalessi wrote: »

This from yourself who yesterday accused me of lying. Funny guy. Im still waiting for the apology.

Edit: scrap that. I'm better than that.

08-12-2020 08:07PM

niamh247 wrote: »

Well, it has been a long time since people were forced to compare between bad choices and choose the one that is less worse. We lost the ability to recognise the difference between bad choices. All bad choices are equally bad. We scream equally for all. Our response is the same. We rush to send kids to schools because we think "OMG, schools closed? it is so unthinkable ...". There goes all the reationality built into our genes by our evolutionary ancestors who had to chose between worse options. We can't see which one is less worse.

So the vaccine should be distributed on a first come first served basis with no prioritisation?

08-12-2020 08:11PM

Boggles wrote: »

I thought we needed the schools so hospital staff could get to work?

Anyway, what can only be described as an absolutely break neck 180, we have gone from schools are the most essential of services, under no circumstance can they close for a minute, to meh no big deal if they have to close it's not like they are making sausages or Viagra.

I am sorry but you are being irrational if you can’t see why hospital staff are ahead of school staff for the vaccine. And food production and pharma manufacturing for that matter.

You will remember schools closed in the spring and you will also know that the consequences of an outbreak in a hospital are orders of magnitude more serious than in a school.

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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