What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

It's worth remembering that this doesn't stop with 17k people. They will have partners, possibly children, and other dependents remaining in their home countries, and when they become accepted, there will be pressure to allow all these dependents to have access to Ireland too.

Didn't we cede the power to do this to the EU with the Lisbon Treaty?

TFEU Article 79

Article 79

(ex Article 63, points 3 and 4, TEC)

1. The Union shall develop a common immigration policy aimed at ensuring, at all stages, the efficient management of migration flows, fair treatment of third-country nationals residing legally in Member States, and the prevention of, and enhanced measures to combat, illegal immigration and trafficking in human beings.

2. For the purposes of paragraph 1, the European Parliament and the Council, acting in accordance with the ordinary legislative procedure, shall adopt measures in the following areas:

(a)


the conditions of entry and residence, and standards on the issue by Member States of long-term visas and residence permits, including those for the purpose of family reunification;

(b)


the definition of the rights of third-country nationals residing legally in a Member State, including the conditions governing freedom of movement and of residence in other Member States;

(c)


illegal immigration and unauthorised residence, including removal and repatriation of persons residing without authorisation;

(d)


combating trafficking in persons, in particular women and children.

3. The Union may conclude agreements with third countries for the readmission to their countries of origin or provenance of third-country nationals who do not or who no longer fulfil the conditions for entry, presence or residence in the territory of one of the Member States.

4. The European Parliament and the Council, acting in accordance with the ordinary legislative procedure, may establish measures to provide incentives and support for the action of Member States with a view to promoting the integration of third-country nationals residing legally in their territories, excluding any harmonisation of the laws and regulations of the Member States.

5. This Article shall not affect the right of Member States to determine volumes of admission of third-country nationals coming from third countries to their territory in order to seek work, whether employed or self-employed.


I would take that to mean that legally we can't naturalise tens of thousands of people who are here illegally. I assume the EU doesn't care if we do a few here or there for humanitarian reasons but I would speculate that the amount of granting status that is being talked about would be contrary to EU law, happy to be corrected if someone else knows more about how this would work legally.

Sand wrote: »

Quantity is what matters. Quantity defines mass migration, and in turn creates ethnic enclaves with the ethnic strife that brings.

In turn, divides people into clear and strong identity groups along racial, ethnic or political lines. Which, makes the population easier to distract, or manipulate because nobody can agree on anything and therefore be unable to resist political power/decisions.

I reckon they're looking to follow the US in this. Our governments tried bringing in the PC/Woke/Diversity rubbish, and people are starting to resist it, and by extension, them. They will likely push for a united Ireland too since that increases the mess in authority, and will generate strife, therefore nobody will be looking too closely at what they're doing. Just different politicians nitpicking over non-important issues, while the more important things get pushed into the background.

Yup. I think we'll be seeing a lot more of this to bring us closer to the anarchy that the US currently is..

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Nobody or at least a tiny unheard minority seems to be in favour of it. There are zero benefits to Irish people . Economically or culturally.

Yet here we are.

Yes, we are.. but to be honest, I'm not terribly surprised. The Banking crash and subsequent scandals have taught me that our political elite don't really care what the population thinks, because beyond the ""risk" of losing in an election, nothing happens.

I can remember the shock, outrage, and pure anger that was there when we heard about the governments ineptitude. Oh, sure, the elected politicians were a big part of it, but our non-elected government organs were up to the hilt in corruption, and negligence. Who saw jail time? In spite of the monies that the taxpayer, and pensioners lost, nobody was punished beyond a slap on the wrist. Instead, we saw expensive tribunals that showed some responsibility, but had no power to punish.. and that's come up, time and time again. No accountability for our politicians, or public servants.

Oh, they might lose an election... but peoples minds are scattered these days. Probably the effect of information overload from TV and social media.. because I could have sworn we would see FF broken up and people would never vote for them again.. Err.. yeah.

We are here because the electorate are essentially paralyzed. The only way to deal with the politics is to enter politics but that's a stacked deck, and TBF, I can't imagine too many people want to enter that cesspit. I know I wouldn't, although I have been tempted a few times.

We are here because the politicians are essentially untouchable. Until that changes, we won't see a government for the Irish people. We'll simply see an extension of politicians playing a game with our lives. It's one of the main reasons why I live in China. I refuse to place my life in the hands of Irish politicians again.. and it says a lot, that I prefer the Chinese government to deal with me, a foreigner, more fairly than Irish politicians, who should be there for me.. but aren't.

Gervais08 wrote: »

At the end of the second part of the programme about the Famine tonight, RTE just couldn’t help themselves with their agenda - right after talk of the coffin ships comes film of dozens of fit healthy young men in dinghies who paid thousands to people traffickers.

They even got a commentator to talk of open borders being necessary.

Was nauseating to see.

I thought the show was brilliant up to that point. Then they just had to throw in a bit of open borders politicking. You can only imagine what the Irish getting off on Ellis island looked like back then, penniless, gaunt, sick, heartbroken. Compared to the healthy looking groups of well fed young men in the latest sportswear jumping off boats in the Med with their fists in the air.