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jmreire · 05-12-2020 10:19pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Not all Muslim majority countries no.

You might give us a hand here in understanding you bubblypop because its not clear...which countries exactly are you speaking about?? And which Muslims? Shiia/ Sunny/ Alawites???

seenitall · 05-12-2020 10:39pm

Sunni Muslims in Bosnia,( i.e. Bosniaks),for example. They are the result of the Turkish/Ottoman conquest of the parts of Balkans, and have been developing in a very secular, European-values manner throughout the subsequent centuries. Women working and equal to men, no headscarves, a small number of children, just completely European in cultural outlook and lifestyle; the only way you would know a person was Muslim is by their name; they would have been very mixed and mixing with the other two major nationalities in Bosnia.

The above has unfortunately been changing since the Saudi money and mosques have found their way into the Balkans as well.

The problem with Islam is cultural - where Islam is practiced in a benign and secular way, there is no problem. Where it starts aggresively ideologising and employing fire and brimstone discourse, Watch out.

jmreire · 05-12-2020 11:05pm

seenitall wrote: »

Sunni Muslims in Bosnia,( i.e. Bosniaks),for example. They are the result of the Turkish/Ottoman conquest of the parts of Balkans, and have been developing in a very secular, European-values manner throughout the subsequent centuries. Women working and equal to men, no headscarves, a small number of children, just completely European in cultural outlook and lifestyle; the only way you would know a person was Muslim is by their name; they would have been very mixed and mixing with the other two major nationalities in Bosnia.

The above has unfortunately been changing since the Saudi money and mosques have found their way into the Balkans as well.

The problem with Islam is cultural - where Islam is practiced in a benign and secular way, there is no problem. Where it starts aggresively ideologising and employing fire and brimstone discourse, Watch out.

Yes, I'd agree with you there, I lived in that part of the world for quite awhile. Kosovo would be the same. Sure you will get the women ( especially older ones) wearing head scarfs etc, but no burkas, and the younger generation, same as anywhere else in Europe, fashion wise. No problem with alcohol. About pork, I'm not so sure, given that its the main menu all over the balkans, I'd say some do and some dont. Any restaurant ( Pectopah ) I was in always had Pork on the menu. A Bosnian Muslim friend of mine who I had not seen for quite a while but was in contact with again recently was telling me that he had sold his house in Sarajevo and was moving his family to Split in Croatia purely because he could see trouble brewing with Saudi sponsored hardliners stirring up trouble with radical Islam ( They had originally come to "protect" Muslims during the war and never went home) He was getting out before it gets worse there. But this is how Islam spreads,,the peacefull version first, which gradually hardens as ther Nrs and influence increases.

irishproduce · 05-12-2020 11:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah. Some people are doing great work, and helping those in need. Let's not put everyone who works in an NGO into the same boat. Some people do volunteer with the best of intentions. I did volunteer work a decade ago, and met many selfless people, working in foreign countries, doing wonderful work.

The problem is that the administrators will be interested in greater funding, and that means broadening the scope of their operations. NGO's operate under a business premise, so, in spite of being non-profit, they'll still be interested in sustainability. And that leads them to questionable decisions, and agendas.

It's politics. The guys on the ground who volunteer to help and have no skin in the game, are the reasons why NGOs first become so popular. They met a need. Unfortunately, as time goes by, any organisation becomes inward looking and selfish to it's own needs. It's the same with any organisation, be it, Human Rights Watch, the UN, or an NGO.

I feel that NGO's should be broken up regularly after a period of time, and nobody should be able to make a career out of them. Volunteers, fine, but with limited opportunities to operate within the organisations.

Then those volunteering should walk away. Show it up for what it is

06-12-2020 12:15am

bubblypop wrote: »

This says nothing?

So, your point about going to Pride in Muslim countries means nothing?

Seriously? Why do you bother posting at all then?

06-12-2020 12:16am

irishproduce wrote: »

Then those volunteering should walk away. Show it up for what it is

You missed the point completely. Well done, since it was a rather obvious one.

Here's a different point. Not all NGO's are aimed at immigration.

seenitall · 06-12-2020 12:18am

What is happening in Bosnia now is very interesting. Young men from Morocco, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Iraq (AKA ‘migrants’) with no evidenced identities have been absolutely swarming the place, selling packets of tissues at the traffic junctions, and otherwise making nuisances of themselves, begging, thieving, breaking into unoccupied houses and eventually setting them on fire; and stabbing each other, as well as a rare random citizen, too. It’s a complete free for all, as the country is fragile, ethnically divided, and with useless, corrupt leadership. Laws are not being applied when crimes are committed by these migrants, as there is no political will to do so. They are all being shunted to the Bosniak kantons from the other two regions, but their co-religionists who live there are heartily sick of these newcomers’ lawlessness and chaos. From there they are trying, and succeeding after long time delays, to move westwards through Croatia, Slovenia and beyond, to the lucky western European nations that are these young men’s target destinations.

The long time delays are due to the fact that the Croatian border forces are repelling them at the borders in a none-too-subtle manner (Croatia hopes to enter Schengen and is desperate to show to Brussels that it is up to the task of defending a Schengen border) so there is a natural bottleneck being created anew all the time in western Bosnia. Still, this border is almost impossible to properly police by Croatia in a civilised, or, shall we say, non-minefield manner, as it is very long. These nameless young men are entering EU every day. But I do feel for the Bosniaks, especially. Their peace and security have been sold off to the IOM by their leadership, as far as I can understand.

jmreire · 06-12-2020 12:42am

seenitall wrote: »

What is happening in Bosnia now is very interesting. Young men from Morocco, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Iraq (AKA ‘migrants’) with no evidenced identities have been absolutely swarming the place, selling packets of tissues at the traffic junctions, and otherwise making nuisances of themselves, begging, thieving, breaking into unoccupied houses and eventually setting them on fire; and stabbing each other, as well as a rare random citizen, too. It’s a complete free for all, as the country is fragile, ethnically divided, and with useless, corrupt leadership. Laws are not being applied when crimes are committed by these migrants, as there is no political will to do so. They are all being shunted to the Bosniak kantons from the other two regions, but their co-religionists who live there are heartily sick of these newcomers’ lawlessness and chaos. From there they are trying, and succeeding after long time delays, to move westwards through Croatia, Slovenia and beyond, to the lucky western European nations that are these young men’s target destinations.

The long time delays are due to the fact that the Croatian border forces are repelling them at the borders in a none-too-subtle manner (Croatia hopes to enter Schengen and is desperate to show to Brussels that it is up to the task of defending a Schengen border) so there is a natural bottleneck being created anew all the time in western Bosnia. Still, this border is almost impossible to properly police by Croatia in a civilised, or, shall we say, non-minefield manner, as it is very long. These nameless young men are entering EU every day. But I do feel for the Bosniaks, especially. Their peace and security have been sold off to the IOM by their leadership, as far as I can understand.

Not looking good at all for Bosnia.. as if they have not suffered enough there already. They don't get up to quite the same tricks in Serbia though, patience is not one of the Serbs strong points, and I imagine that Albania / Kosovo would not be too accommodating either, the Besa is still very strong there. When Milosevic was ethnically cleansing Kosovar Albanian's, on the Albanian side, they were accepted and looked after in their thousands, without question. Neither are the Albanian mafia to be trifled with, so I dont think that the immigrants would cause too much trouble there either.So that leaves Bosnia carrying the can.

V8 Interceptor · 06-12-2020 9:48am

Deleted User wrote: »

you made the statement about going to Pride parades in Muslim countries. I'm bisexual.

I'd still love to hear about going to pride parades in Muslim countries.

WTF?

Gervais08 · 06-12-2020 10:01am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I'd still love to hear about going to pride parades in Muslim countries.

WTF?

I’m willing to bet that never ever happened!!! The nearest you’d get would be Turkey pre-Erdogan.

V8 Interceptor · 06-12-2020 10:24am

bubblypop wrote: »

Not all Muslim majority countries no.

Ah well that's not what you said

biko · 06-12-2020 10:29am

The only MENA country with a legal and proper LGBT parade is Israel.

Since 2017 in Lebanon there is Beirut Pride but it's an "illegal" non-sanctioned event.
There are small pockets of gay events in other countries like Tunisia, Jordan etc. but to be gay in any Arab country is punishable by death or prison.

Gervais08 · 06-12-2020 10:43am

biko wrote: »

The only MENA country with a legal and proper LGBT parade is Israel.

Since 2017 in Lebanon there is Beirut Pride but it's an "illegal" non-sanctioned event.
There are small pockets of gay events in other countries like Tunisia, Jordan etc. but to be gay in any Arab country is punishable by death or prison.

You really wouldn’t think that needed to be said would you and yet we’re expected to believe some posters attended Brunei Pride!!!

06-12-2020 10:50am

Gervais08 wrote: »

I’m willing to bet that never ever happened!!! The nearest you’d get would be Turkey pre-Erdogan.

Bet all you want. I was at more then one while living in a Muslim country. You do realise that not all Muslim majority countries are strict Islamic states right?

Gervais08 · 06-12-2020 10:53am

bubblypop wrote: »

Bet all you want. I was at more then one while living in a Muslim country. You do realise that not all Muslim majority countries are strict Islamic states right?

Lift with your back when lifting heavy goalposts, you’ll put something out.

Have you still not managed to say the country ? Hilarious.

06-12-2020 11:00am

Gervais08 wrote: »

Lift with your back when lifting heavy goalposts, you’ll put something out.

Have you still not managed to say the country ? Hilarious.

I'm not sure why I have to out myself on here to keep random strangers happy

Gervais08 · 06-12-2020 11:04am

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm not sure why I have to out myself on here to keep random strangers happy

No one is asking you to “out yourself” ffs!!! You’re a screen name, no one knows who you are.

But you countered a - wholly correct - point that the Muslim community are vehemently anti-gay with tales of many attendances at Bahrain or Kuala Lumpur Pride, and will not (more likely cannot) back it up.

06-12-2020 11:15am

I honestly don't care if there was Pride events in Muslim countries, because it does nothing to counter what I said. Having a parade doesn't show that Homosexuals are accepted, or even tolerated within a society. .. and even if it did, they would be the extreme minority of Islamic nations, and likely to have changed to be more traditional in the time since.

I suspect he's referring to Turkey.

Gervais08 · 06-12-2020 11:24am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I honestly don't care if there was Pride events in Muslim countries, because it does nothing to counter what I said. Having a parade doesn't show that Homosexuals are accepted, or even tolerated within a society. .. and even if it did, they would be the extreme minority of Islamic nations, and likely to have changed to be more traditional in the time since.

I suspect he's referring to Turkey.

Iran pre-79 was meant to be as gay friendly as you’ll get.

Not so much now tbh!

You’re right - takes nothing away from the salient point, that being said apparently the Israeli one around the time they hosted Eurovision was some do!!

Hardly “majority Islam” tho.

biko · 06-12-2020 11:51am

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm not sure why I have to out myself on here to keep random strangers happy

You claim to participate in something but facts we have presented say the opposite.
You haven't said what Muslim countries or years. Perhaps if you elaborate more it will help.

I realise we are far from the topic of the thread but it's a part of our problem with multiculturalism when our opposition invites people that are in direct conflict with our modern values.
Why should I be ok with people coming here that are vehemently opposed to free speech, or equal, or even basic human rights for women and gays?
Why would any sane person think that is a good idea?

TomTomTim · 06-12-2020 11:54am

biko wrote: »

You claim to participate in something but facts we have presented say the opposite.
You haven't said what Muslim countries or years. Perhaps if you elaborate more it will help.

They probably went to one in London :pac:

V8 Interceptor · 06-12-2020 12:48pm

biko wrote: »

The only MENA country with a legal and proper LGBT parade is Israel.

Since 2017 in Lebanon there is Beirut Pride but it's an "illegal" non-sanctioned event.
There are small pockets of gay events in other countries like Tunisia, Jordan etc. but to be gay in any Arab country is punishable by death or prison.

Was that always the case in the Leb or is it since the big migration of Muslims?

ExMachina1000 · 06-12-2020 4:22pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/sponsor-a-star-5280616-Nov2020/

They keep on pushing and pushing. Comments closed of course

ikeano29 · 06-12-2020 4:30pm

Where is Elizabeth from?

ExMachina1000 · 06-12-2020 4:38pm

ikeano29 wrote: »

Where is Elizabeth from?

No indication of origin
Thankfully a forever home was found in 7 months and a college place studying "social juice " has been earned.

Gervais08 · 06-12-2020 4:38pm

ikeano29 wrote: »

Where is Elizabeth from?

I’m guessing by her age probably born here but her mother’s status is to be determined I’d say.

Eric Cartman · 06-12-2020 4:51pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

No indication of origin
Thankfully a forever home was found in 7 months and a college place studying "social juice " has been earned.

imagine you bring yourself and your children from some poor country in Africa, get through the hoops to get to a wealthy country (legally or illegally , doesn't state) you get the free council house, your daughters off to college.... and you let her choose the one subject that either results in the same level of abject poverty you were in or at best she gets a job at an NGO as a diversity hire because those racist talking shops love exploiting minorities for PR likes.

ExMachina1000 · 06-12-2020 6:43pm

Denmark have fantastic immigration laws.
They are restricting immigration to preserve their culture.
Seems like a no brainer

The reporter speaking to a Danish politician :
Isnt everyone born in Denmark a Dane?
The response: No the Danes are an ethnic group alongside the Swedes and Norwegians.
"They (immigrants) will never be Danish"

Alongside that Denmark passed over 100 new laws regarding migration and protection of Danish culture.
Among them:
Offering money to migrants to leave
Children of migrants put through Danish cultural classes
A Burqa ban
And migrant heavy areas are designated as ghettos and earmarked for bulldozing

statesaver · 06-12-2020 6:51pm

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

No indication of origin
Thankfully a forever home was found in 7 months and a college place studying "social juice " has been earned.

God praising believer as well I see, thought Ireland didn't like that shiit anymore.

TomTomTim · 07-12-2020 8:49am

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

dominatinMC · 07-12-2020 9:39am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Denmark have fantastic immigration laws.
They are restricting immigration to preserve their culture.
Seems like a no brainer

The reporter speaking to a Danish politician :
Isnt everyone born in Denmark a Dane?
The response: No the Danes are an ethnic group alongside the Swedes and Norwegians.
"They (immigrants) will never be Danish"

Alongside that Denmark passed over 100 new laws regarding migration and protection of Danish culture.
Among them:
Offering money to migrants to leave
Children of migrants put through Danish cultural classes
A Burqa ban
And migrant heavy areas are designated as ghettos and earmarked for bulldozing

Sounds like Belgium has got it's house in order. Could be the model for others to follow. But no doubt you will have the usual suspects bemoaning the rise of the far-right/alt-right (whatever they call conservatism these days) as responsible for this "inhumane" act.

Eric Cartman · 07-12-2020 9:48am

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

Ohh thats exactly what we need... while we have a housing crisis and stupidly bloated numbers on welfare , 17,000 more claimants....

suicide_circus · 07-12-2020 10:33am

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

Undocumented? Is that a euphemism for "entered the country illegally or overstayed visa"?

MontgomeryClift · 07-12-2020 10:41am

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/minister-to-give-residency-permits-to-17000-migrants-063ebc66?utm_campaign=article&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web

Helen McEntee, the Minister for Justice, is preparing to give residency permits to around 17,000 undocumented migrants in the largest “regularisation” scheme in the state’s history.

How does it qualify as the largest when Alan Shatter (yeah, I know) granted citizenship to 69,000 long-term asylum tourists in a scheme that ran from 2011 to 2014? Maybe they'd like us to forget that.

In any case, Fine Gael prove again that parties of the so-called centre-right are the most treasonous and most deceitful.

07-12-2020 10:48am

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

In any case, Fine Gael prove again that parties of the so-called centre-right are the most treasonous and most deceitful.

To be fair, all our political parties are much of the same.. Being the most treasonous/deceitful isn't much of a step down/up.

We really need a complete restart. Get some real people in there, and some way to remind them that they serve the people, not their need to virtue signal our nations future away.

weldoninhio · 07-12-2020 10:57am

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

The sad thing is that people will see this and think "We have to get FFG out, I'm voting for SF in the next election" and SF want to do the exact same thing, along with bringing back anchor babies. We are screwed whoever we pick from the current crop.

Wibbs · 07-12-2020 11:17am

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

the more I read of this kinda thing, something we never get the chance to actually vote on... Oh wait... we did once. And we rejected birthright citizenship by one of the largest majorities of any referendum in the history of this state and that's being dialled back as we speak. Yeah the more I see this stuff, the more I look at the replacement plan loonies and think, eh there's a hint of truth to it. Well, not really, it's far more about telegraphing how right on we are.

That we're doing this when this multicultural politic came late to us, when even so we're already seeing the divisive guff and the same demographics trajectory of every other European nation that has run this experiment and the same European nations having enough of it are now actually dialling this nonsense back? You do have to wonder about the pure idiocy of some of these muppets in power here.

Cordell · 07-12-2020 11:21am

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

WrenBoy · 07-12-2020 11:26am

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

Surely the answer can't be to just surrender our immigration system.
"Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help people who break them" Thomas Sowell

Arthur Daley · 07-12-2020 11:34am

The country is a laughing stock out there.

Cordell · 07-12-2020 11:38am

WrenBoy wrote: »

Surely the answer can't be to just surrender our immigration system.
"Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help people who break them" Thomas Sowell

I totally agree that this is the wrong answer, but probably the only possible one. They should focus the immigration system resources on preventing this from happening rather than fighting the fallout.

TomTomTim · 07-12-2020 11:40am

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

Outrage should not control society. It has been for the last few years and it is bringing us down a nasty road where the screaming children always get their way. Regardless of that, they'll probably cost the state more through the years than the cost of deportation.

Tired Gardener · 07-12-2020 11:52am

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

It would more than likely cost a lot more than the state will get from taxes to deport 17,000 people, even if only a small percentage of those 17,000 people worked.

A percentage of those 17,000 people may never work, and just live off social... but that is also true of non immigrants. Get a large enough group of people and there will be a percentage that don’t work and don’t plan on working if any government will give them money. Some people are work shy and will life on a small amount. That is just the reality of people.

Just like a small percentage of those 17,000 people will be top earners and pay a lot in taxes back to the state.

07-12-2020 11:53am

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

There's no guarantee that they will work legally and pay taxes.. they've been managing to go without doing so for this long.

And.. deporting them all is definitely possible. All it means is that we're enforcing our laws. You give them a limited time to leave, and those who don't, get prison time, or fines, before being forcibly evicted.

07-12-2020 11:56am

Tired Gardener wrote: »

Just like a small percentage of those 17,000 people will be top earners and pay a lot in taxes back to the state.

Those top earners will already be here legally. No company could pay such salaries without there being a tax trail, and Revenue would be on both their asses if the employee wasn't registered.

The 17k here illegally will be in low paid jobs, already on state supports, or living off monies from abroad.

Tired Gardener · 07-12-2020 12:01pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Those top earners will already be here legally. No company could pay such salaries without there being a tax trail, and Revenue would be on both their asses if the employee wasn't registered.

The 17k here illegally will be in low paid jobs, or living off monies from abroad.

Even if initially all those of the 17,000 who work do so in low paid job (which will still be paying taxes), there is no guarantee that they will stay in those jobs.

Again, 17,000 people is a large group... statically there will be some among that group who set up their own businesses, get better paid jobs, etc.

17,000 people is the population of a large town. Can you honestly imagine a town of that size where there are no locally owned businesses, and the only jobs are low paid?

ElJeffe · 07-12-2020 12:02pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

This country desperately needs a party on the right to represent our citizens. This is pure madness and will lead to all sorts of problems and issues down the line. Farcical decision.

Cordell · 07-12-2020 12:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

There's no guarantee that they will work legally and pay taxes.. they've been managing to go without doing so for this long.

And.. deporting them all is definitely possible. All it means is that we're enforcing our laws. You give them a limited time to leave, and those who don't, get prison time, or fines, before being forcibly evicted.

Again, I agree in principle that this is wrong and immigration laws must be enforced.
But I still don't think they can deport them faster that they are coming in, it's 17K undocumented that came here in the last few years, and I don't think they will be able to deport even 1k in a year. But if they can, I won't stop them

Going forward, tighter control will prevent this from happening in the first place, that was my main point.

weldoninhio · 07-12-2020 12:07pm

I'd say 17k is the tip of the iceberg. We need a dedicated ICE department to track down over-stayers and deport them. Build a facility near Dublin Airport where they can be held until the next available flight to their country of origin. Freeze and seize any assets they have in Ireland, as the proceeds of crime (overstaying their visa).

ElJeffe · 07-12-2020 12:08pm

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

No it is not. Why should we accept them? Do you actually believe they are all doctors and engineers who will be paying high taxes of course they are not. Australia deport people all the time why can't we follow a similar model. All this does is encourage more people to come as the word get's out we are a soft touch.

Build deportation centres to house them and send them back if they are here illegally.