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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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Eric Cartman

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

the chances of enough of them paying enough tax to offset the cost of the others is slim to none. realistically less than 1000 of them will ever be net contributors to the economy.

If the political will was there and the logistical systems which should be there were in place we could round up all 17k of them and have them booted back to where they belong by the end of February.

ElJeffe

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

No it is not. Why should we accept them? Do you actually believe they are all doctors and engineers who will be paying high taxes of course they are not. Australia deport people all the time why can't we follow a similar model. All this does is encourage more people to come as the word get's out we are a soft touch.

Build deportation centres to house them and send them back if they are here illegally.

weldoninhio

I'd say 17k is the tip of the iceberg. We need a dedicated ICE department to track down over-stayers and deport them. Build a facility near Dublin Airport where they can be held until the next available flight to their country of origin. Freeze and seize any assets they have in Ireland, as the proceeds of crime (overstaying their visa).

Cordell

Deleted User wrote: »

There's no guarantee that they will work legally and pay taxes.. they've been managing to go without doing so for this long.

And.. deporting them all is definitely possible. All it means is that we're enforcing our laws. You give them a limited time to leave, and those who don't, get prison time, or fines, before being forcibly evicted.

Again, I agree in principle that this is wrong and immigration laws must be enforced.
But I still don't think they can deport them faster that they are coming in, it's 17K undocumented that came here in the last few years, and I don't think they will be able to deport even 1k in a year. But if they can, I won't stop them

Going forward, tighter control will prevent this from happening in the first place, that was my main point.

ElJeffe

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

This country desperately needs a party on the right to represent our citizens. This is pure madness and will lead to all sorts of problems and issues down the line. Farcical decision.

Tired Gardener

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Those top earners will already be here legally. No company could pay such salaries without there being a tax trail, and Revenue would be on both their asses if the employee wasn't registered.

The 17k here illegally will be in low paid jobs, or living off monies from abroad.

Even if initially all those of the 17,000 who work do so in low paid job (which will still be paying taxes), there is no guarantee that they will stay in those jobs.

Again, 17,000 people is a large group... statically there will be some among that group who set up their own businesses, get better paid jobs, etc.

17,000 people is the population of a large town. Can you honestly imagine a town of that size where there are no locally owned businesses, and the only jobs are low paid?

[Deleted User]

Tired Gardener wrote: »

Just like a small percentage of those 17,000 people will be top earners and pay a lot in taxes back to the state.

Those top earners will already be here legally. No company could pay such salaries without there being a tax trail, and Revenue would be on both their asses if the employee wasn't registered.

The 17k here illegally will be in low paid jobs, already on state supports, or living off monies from abroad.

[Deleted User]

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

There's no guarantee that they will work legally and pay taxes.. they've been managing to go without doing so for this long.

And.. deporting them all is definitely possible. All it means is that we're enforcing our laws. You give them a limited time to leave, and those who don't, get prison time, or fines, before being forcibly evicted.

Tired Gardener

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

It would more than likely cost a lot more than the state will get from taxes to deport 17,000 people, even if only a small percentage of those 17,000 people worked.

A percentage of those 17,000 people may never work, and just live off social... but that is also true of non immigrants. Get a large enough group of people and there will be a percentage that don’t work and don’t plan on working if any government will give them money. Some people are work shy and will life on a small amount. That is just the reality of people.

Just like a small percentage of those 17,000 people will be top earners and pay a lot in taxes back to the state.

TomTomTim

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

Outrage should not control society. It has been for the last few years and it is bringing us down a nasty road where the screaming children always get their way. Regardless of that, they'll probably cost the state more through the years than the cost of deportation.

Cordell

WrenBoy wrote: »

Surely the answer can't be to just surrender our immigration system.
"Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help people who break them" Thomas Sowell

I totally agree that this is the wrong answer, but probably the only possible one. They should focus the immigration system resources on preventing this from happening rather than fighting the fallout.

Arthur Daley

The country is a laughing stock out there.

WrenBoy

Cordell wrote: »

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

Surely the answer can't be to just surrender our immigration system.
"Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help people who break them" Thomas Sowell

Cordell

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

TBF that is the only realistic option. They can't deport 17K people, not only because of the outrage but it's simply impractical, so giving them legal status is the next best thing, at least some of them will be able to work legally and pay taxes.

Wibbs

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

the more I read of this kinda thing, something we never get the chance to actually vote on... Oh wait... we did once. And we rejected birthright citizenship by one of the largest majorities of any referendum in the history of this state and that's being dialled back as we speak. Yeah the more I see this stuff, the more I look at the replacement plan loonies and think, eh there's a hint of truth to it. Well, not really, it's far more about telegraphing how right on we are.

That we're doing this when this multicultural politic came late to us, when even so we're already seeing the divisive guff and the same demographics trajectory of every other European nation that has run this experiment and the same European nations having enough of it are now actually dialling this nonsense back? You do have to wonder about the pure idiocy of some of these muppets in power here.

weldoninhio

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

The sad thing is that people will see this and think "We have to get FFG out, I'm voting for SF in the next election" and SF want to do the exact same thing, along with bringing back anchor babies. We are screwed whoever we pick from the current crop.

[Deleted User]

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

In any case, Fine Gael prove again that parties of the so-called centre-right are the most treasonous and most deceitful.

To be fair, all our political parties are much of the same.. Being the most treasonous/deceitful isn't much of a step down/up.

We really need a complete restart. Get some real people in there, and some way to remind them that they serve the people, not their need to virtue signal our nations future away.

[Deleted User]

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

https://www.businesspost.ie/ireland/minister-to-give-residency-permits-to-17000-migrants-063ebc66?utm_campaign=article&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=web

Helen McEntee, the Minister for Justice, is preparing to give residency permits to around 17,000 undocumented migrants in the largest “regularisation” scheme in the state’s history.

How does it qualify as the largest when Alan Shatter (yeah, I know) granted citizenship to 69,000 long-term asylum tourists in a scheme that ran from 2011 to 2014? Maybe they'd like us to forget that.

In any case, Fine Gael prove again that parties of the so-called centre-right are the most treasonous and most deceitful.

suicide_circus

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

Undocumented? Is that a euphemism for "entered the country illegally or overstayed visa"?

Eric Cartman

TomTomTim wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

Ohh thats exactly what we need... while we have a housing crisis and stupidly bloated numbers on welfare , 17,000 more claimants....

dominatinMC

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Denmark have fantastic immigration laws.
They are restricting immigration to preserve their culture.
Seems like a no brainer

The reporter speaking to a Danish politician :
Isnt everyone born in Denmark a Dane?
The response: No the Danes are an ethnic group alongside the Swedes and Norwegians.
"They (immigrants) will never be Danish"

Alongside that Denmark passed over 100 new laws regarding migration and protection of Danish culture.
Among them:
Offering money to migrants to leave
Children of migrants put through Danish cultural classes
A Burqa ban
And migrant heavy areas are designated as ghettos and earmarked for bulldozing

Sounds like Belgium has got it's house in order. Could be the model for others to follow. But no doubt you will have the usual suspects bemoaning the rise of the far-right/alt-right (whatever they call conservatism these days) as responsible for this "inhumane" act.

TomTomTim

Absolutely ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/obraonain/status/1335548277178195968

Ireland, on the topic of immigration, is a land of laws on paper only. Our masters seem to think it's absolutely fine to ignore our laws and just hand out citizenship to people who clearly wouldn't qualify under normal standards.

statesaver

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

No indication of origin
Thankfully a forever home was found in 7 months and a college place studying "social juice " has been earned.

God praising believer as well I see, thought Ireland didn't like that shiit anymore.

ExMachina1000

Denmark have fantastic immigration laws.
They are restricting immigration to preserve their culture.
Seems like a no brainer

The reporter speaking to a Danish politician :
Isnt everyone born in Denmark a Dane?
The response: No the Danes are an ethnic group alongside the Swedes and Norwegians.
"They (immigrants) will never be Danish"

Alongside that Denmark passed over 100 new laws regarding migration and protection of Danish culture.
Among them:
Offering money to migrants to leave
Children of migrants put through Danish cultural classes
A Burqa ban
And migrant heavy areas are designated as ghettos and earmarked for bulldozing

Eric Cartman

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

No indication of origin
Thankfully a forever home was found in 7 months and a college place studying "social juice " has been earned.

imagine you bring yourself and your children from some poor country in Africa, get through the hoops to get to a wealthy country (legally or illegally , doesn't state) you get the free council house, your daughters off to college.... and you let her choose the one subject that either results in the same level of abject poverty you were in or at best she gets a job at an NGO as a diversity hire because those racist talking shops love exploiting minorities for PR likes.

Gervais08

ikeano29 wrote: »

Where is Elizabeth from?

I’m guessing by her age probably born here but her mother’s status is to be determined I’d say.

ExMachina1000

ikeano29 wrote: »

Where is Elizabeth from?

No indication of origin
Thankfully a forever home was found in 7 months and a college place studying "social juice " has been earned.

ikeano29

Where is Elizabeth from?

ExMachina1000

https://www.thejournal.ie/sponsor-a-star-5280616-Nov2020/

They keep on pushing and pushing. Comments closed of course

V8 Interceptor

biko wrote: »

The only MENA country with a legal and proper LGBT parade is Israel.

Since 2017 in Lebanon there is Beirut Pride but it's an "illegal" non-sanctioned event.
There are small pockets of gay events in other countries like Tunisia, Jordan etc. but to be gay in any Arab country is punishable by death or prison.

Was that always the case in the Leb or is it since the big migration of Muslims?