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Mellor · 03-12-2020 12:10am

The Rifleman wrote: »

I know I say political system, but I mean voting in the general election. SSM and abortion referendums have obviously created real change in our laws although it took a long time to happen because they weren't important to politicians.

I understand you were talking about the GE specifically. But they are intrinsically link to the overall system. Can't have a benelavent dictator ship, and retain referenda on important issues.

Voter turnout in the last election was 62% which is quite high. If it was 10 or 15% it would be a national crisis and something would have to change. It would be all over the media. It couldn't be ignored.

Yes, 10 % would be insanely low and would be a national issue.
In order for that to happen, there would need to be a massive co-ordinated effort and an additional 1.5m voters to abstain.
As far as I am aware, that is not a current movement. So by simply not voting yourself, you aren't really getting any closer.

By all means, don't vote. Your choice. But I would be consider it as having any are making an impact. In order for that to happen, you'd have to not vote, and campaigner for others to join you.

What I mean by executive government is that people stand for Taoisach and we all get to vote for them. So more people have a say in who gets that role instead of one constituency as it currently is. You can argue that they only get that role if other constituencies vote for their party, but I find that a lot vote based on local issues as opposed to national ones. For example, people voting for Michael Lowry.

My confusion stemmed from the fact that the current government is elected, and has executive power. It's not one constituency that decides who the Taoiseach, it's all constituencies collectively. That's not an argument to be made, it's a basic fact pf the parliamentary system.
If the taoiseach was elected nationally, directly. The dail/Seanad still be elected by the current system.

I agree that many parts of the country think very locally. Look at the Healy Raes in Kerry. Woeful stuff. But that's the people in Kerry's choice to make.

I choose not to participate anymore. I'm not voting for Fianna Fail/Fine Gael or socialists. So that means I have no one to vote for.

If you are removing everything left of centre, plus the two main centre-right parites - then sure there isn't much left.
Only, Aontú or Human Dignity Alliance. Slim pickings.

Rows Grower · 03-12-2020 12:49am

Mellor wrote: »

I understand you were talking about the GE specifically. But they are intrinsically link to the overall system. Can't have a benelavent dictator ship, and retain referenda on important issues.

Yes, 10 % would be insanely low and would be a national issue.
In order for that to happen, there would need to be a massive co-ordinated effort and an additional 1.5m voters to abstain.
As far as I am aware, that is not a current movement. So by simply not voting yourself, you aren't really getting any closer.

By all means, don't vote. Your choice. But I would be consider it as having any are making an impact. In order for that to happen, you'd have to not vote, and campaigner for others to join you.

My confusion stemmed from the fact that the current government is elected, and has executive power. It's not one constituency that decides who the Taoiseach, it's all constituencies collectively. That's not an argument to be made, it's a basic fact pf the parliamentary system.
If the taoiseach was elected nationally, directly. The dail/Seanad still be elected by the current system.

I agree that many parts of the country think very locally. Look at the Healy Raes in Kerry. Woeful stuff. But that's the people in Kerry's choice to make.

If you are removing everything left of centre, plus the two main centre-right parites - then sure there isn't much left.
Only, Aontú or Human Dignity Alliance. Slim pickings.

I always find it amusing when people that have no clue whatsoever about how effective as politicians the Healy Raes are think it is so intelligent to ridicule them and the people who voted for them.

You mentioned slim pickings, who would you choose over them that ran in Kerry in the last general election and why?

Mellor · 03-12-2020 5:24am

Rows Grower wrote: »

I always find it amusing when people that have no clue whatsoever about how effective as politicians the Healy Raes are think it is so intelligent to ridicule them and the people who voted for them.

You mentioned slim pickings, who would you choose over them that ran in Kerry in the last general election and why?

I think you've misunderstood the point.
The previous poster made a point that many people think very locally, even in general elections. I pointed to the Healy Raes as a perfect example of that. They position themselves very much as local politicians. Historically that have traded their parliamentary support in return for local funding. I think it's hard to disagree with the idea that's their MO.

But I haven't ridiculed anyone who voted for the Healy Raes however. People are entitle to vote for whoever they chose. If they feel that local matters are their prime interest. Then, that's who they'd should vote for.
Although a cabinet entirely local would be a disaster.

I've never given their policies much consideration to be completely honest. But it's probably a mistake to refer to them singularly. Michael certain seems unbeatable in any election. And I believe he is quite a successful in business/property, political negotiations.
Danny clearly not as solid. He slipped down in the recent election behind Sinn Féin and Fine Gael. And his drink drive permit idea was well intentioned, a little self serving, but not exactly the actions of a shrewd political operator.

Slim pickings comment was in relation to supporting political parties in national matter. The Rifleman's party criteria eliminates the majority. Leaving only Human Dignity Alliance and Aontu. I don't believe Human Dignity Alliance had a candidate in Kerry. Aontu would be the only option - which may be out too depending on his definitions.

yubabill · 03-12-2020 7:37am

I've been following the US election closely for the last month and even if you're not a Trump fan, you should give him a fair shake and watch this video from his official youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720O_yBLrTs

The only thing he forgot was the US Postal subcontracted truck driver who swore an affidavit the other day saying he drove 24 pallets of mail-in votes from New York to Pennsylvania (why would votes need to travel across two states to be counted?)

tudderone · 03-12-2020 12:33pm

yubabill wrote: »

I've been following the US election closely for the last month and even if you're not a Trump fan, you should give him a fair shake and watch this video from his official youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720O_yBLrTs

The only thing he forgot was the US Postal subcontracted truck driver who swore an affidavit the other day saying he drove 24 pallets of mail-in votes from New York to Pennsylvania (why would votes need to travel across two states to be counted?)

The democrats were screaming "Russian interference" when Trump won the election 4 years ago. Now they are saying the election is as pure as the driven snow now they have won.

tudderone · 03-12-2020 2:44pm

Adolf Hitler is back in Africa ! Just won an election in Namibia. I have to say the plastic surgeons have done him proud, he looks great for 131.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9013447/Politician-named-Adolf-Hitler-wins-election-Namibia.html

Munsterlad102 · 03-12-2020 4:51pm

Mellor wrote: »

If you are removing everything left of centre, plus the two main centre-right parites - then sure there isn't much left.
Only, Aontú or Human Dignity Alliance. Slim pickings.

There are a few other right wing parties such as Renua and IFP but the biggest of them and most promising would be the National Party.

Grizzly 45 · 03-12-2020 8:08pm

tudderone wrote: »

Adolf Hitler is back in Africa ! Just won an election in Namibia. I have to say the plastic surgeons have done him proud, he looks great for 131.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9013447/Politician-named-Adolf-Hitler-wins-election-Namibia.html

Typical DM understatements of facts about Namibia. A "small group still speak German" It's only about 33% of the population, along with Afrikaans and up to 1990 both were official languages:rolleyes:
Despite its colonial history, which was pretty mild compared to the other powers of the time, it's the only country Germany easily accepts as dual citizenship.
Great place to go hunting too,if you are into long-range deer stalking here, this is the place for you.Rare if ever to get shots on game under 200 meters out there

tudderone · 03-12-2020 8:20pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Typical DM understatements of facts about Namibia. A "small group still speak German" It's only about 33% of the population, along with Afrikaans and up to 1990 both were official languages:rolleyes:
Despite its colonial history, which was pretty mild compared to the other powers of the time, it's the only country Germany easily accepts as dual citizenship.
Great place to go hunting too,if you are into long-range deer stalking here, this is the place for you.Rare if ever to get shots on game under 200 meters out there

Mossad must be kicking themselves, old adolf blacked up and duped the lot of them.

Grizzly 45 · 03-12-2020 9:54pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

There are a few other right wing parties such as Renua and IFP but the biggest of them and most promising would be the National Party.

And all of them are just as bats as their Left-wing opponents. :rolleyes:

yubabill · 04-12-2020 10:53am

So now there are two highly-suspicious incidents regarding the US election which stand out enough to raise concerns with even the most moderate observer;

1. The truck driver affidavit detailing how he drove 24 pallets of completed mail-in ballots from NY to PA;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0xaA4dYsbQ

2. The lawyer testifying at Georgia Judiciary Cttee. hearings yesterday with video of poll workers sending observers/media home and pulling boxes of ballots from under a table to be counted during the night (suspicious, at the very least) - the trick in the vid is to keep a good eye on the top right CCTV screen, the rest just show that everyone else has gone;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keANzinHWUA

The first witness says he does not know how many ballots were involved, others estimate 100k and over. The second witness speculates up to 18k ballots involved in GA.

tudderone · 04-12-2020 2:22pm

More statistic twisting to suit your agenda :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qHiSuhotgM

Cass · 04-12-2020 3:08pm

yubabill wrote: »

So now there are two highly-suspicious incidents regarding the US election which stand out enough to raise concerns with even the most moderate observer;.

Same thing happening with a congressional (i think) seat in NY.

Democrat incumbent was losing by 28,000 votes. Huge margin. A democrat appointed judge then said he would review the spoiled ballots himself. After "reviewing" them he found enough ballots that now the Democrat is leading by 12 votes, and only yesterday they "found" another 55 votes, for the democrat.

Again mail-in ballots were said to be responsible but with 60,000 mail in ballots and over 70% of them going for the democrat and then the judges actions of reviewing spoiled ballots to put the democrat over the finish line is beyond suspicious.

To be honest all this election fraud talk has me thinking about our own elections. Some things to me just don't seem to add up. Like certain candidates who were essentially told no to appear in public or canvass yet won their seat despite not being remotely qualified and being involved in/aware of multiple scandals.

Now i'm in no way making any accusation or claim of fraud against any person or individual. Lets be clear on that from the off and in the claim culture we live in i don't want any confusion (given the rise in the Governments tendency to send Gardaí to the door of people that speak their minds on the interweb).

Yes i understand that some people are just that stupid to keep voting for the same person based on "i've always voted this way" or "s/he's the only one i know", but at what point will things change. I see in recent polls that FF took a nose dive and FG have risen again. Seriously! The options are limited but with over 1.3 million NOT voting and our current Government made up of only one first choice and the rest 5th, 6th, up to 15th choice candidates the Government, in my opinion, has no mandate and hence do not serve at the will of the people.

Grizzly 45 · 04-12-2020 3:16pm

And THIS is why we should NEVER , ever, contemplate electronic voting in Ireland. Imagine what sort of blaggarding our lot could get up to with something like Dominion machines and the fun trying to prove it, thru no doubt another lengthy public inquiry and tribunal.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Better off sticking to our "stupid aul pencils and a bit of paper" here.

tudderone · 04-12-2020 3:27pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And THIS is why we should NEVER , ever, contemplate electronic voting in Ireland. Imagine what sort of blaggarding our lot could get up to with something like Dominion machines and the fun trying to prove it, thru no doubt another lengthy public inquiry and tribunal.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Better off sticking to our "stupid aul pencils and a bit of paper" here.

Well the public have a memory of the previous fiasco with the voting machines saga. So i doubt that will be tried again for decades, and it'll be an app on your phone or something equally stupid.

Grizzly 45 · 04-12-2020 7:11pm

Hopefully we learned our lessons on this in 2002 and a few million wasted tax euros later not to try that nonsense again.But there will always ve some Simps who will push this again.
Meantime in the US.It seems over one thousand sworn affidavits on witnessing election fraud is not enough for some Democrats, to claim why are not more people coming forward? Well, if you are being intimidated,harassed, doxxed,etc, would you be in a rush?

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/michigan-election-witnesss-statement-goes-viral-democrats-like-ruin-life?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=brief-FP&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=2020-12-04&ats_es=5e82e12455a52f8768d32f86adf13ec3

Cass · 04-12-2020 10:53pm

HSPC report shows no cases of influenza reported by GPs during weeks 40 to 47 (September 28th to November 22nd), no hospitalizations recorded, and no deaths recorded. Seems Covid-19 has cured the Flu.

Every cloud and all that.

Grizzly 45 · 05-12-2020 3:04pm

This Frankfurt election server story doesn't seem to be dying off at all.
Seems "the Kraken"[German "Octopus"] is the 305 military intel div based out of AZ,and it seems that there was a gunfight with 3 KIA's[UNVERIFIED sofar]

Despite the US Army denying such a raid took place as well as Sythl the server company,[who just also happens to be financially bankrupt].Why would people who are going to be minutely examined in the public eye when this breaks go along with a blatantly fake news story?
Or this is a massive bit of what the Russians call a "Maskirovka" A totally bogus and deception manoeuvre to fool your enemy into making a manoeuvre to your advantage?If it is...Which side is playing this?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/going-server-reportedly-obtained-germany-related-2020-election/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=

Grizzly 45 · 05-12-2020 3:12pm

yubabill wrote: »

2. The lawyer testifying at Georgia Judiciary Cttee. hearings yesterday with video of poll workers sending observers/media home and pulling boxes of ballots from under a table to be counted during the night (suspicious, at the very least) - the trick in the vid is to keep a good eye on the top right CCTV screen, the rest just show that everyone else has gone;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keANzinHWUA

The first witness says he does not know how many ballots were involved, others estimate 100k and over. The second witness speculates up to 18k ballots involved in GA.

Looks like that was a Mom/Daughter combination...NOTE if you are going to commit criminal activity, don't go around advertising your business at the crime scene!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-crooked-elections-superviser-filmed-pulling-suitcases-ballots-georgia-identified-rubys-daughter-video/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily

tudderone · 05-12-2020 3:49pm

I seen last night, CNN admitted they suppressed stories relating to Hunter Biden as they don't consider him or the gas scandal in the Ukraine to be relevant to the election.

Munsterlad102 · 05-12-2020 6:16pm

tudderone wrote: »

I seen last night, CNN admitted they suppressed stories relating to Hunter Biden as they don't consider him or the gas scandal in the Ukraine to be relevant to the election.

There should be some punishment for these "news" publications that mislead the public or suppress evidence.

tudderone · 05-12-2020 8:47pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

There should be some punishment for these "news" publications that mislead the public or suppress evidence.

They cannot be punished for what they didn't say though. Like RTE "news" here, if something happens that doesn't suit the agenda, they ignore it completely.

That reminds me, i believe we are going to witness a stunt, as mehole, verrucca, and mary loo are going to be injected with the plague vaccine on live telly, what a treat ladies and gentlemen :rolleyes:

Grizzly 45 · 05-12-2020 9:32pm

tudderone wrote: »

That reminds me, i believe we are going to witness a stunt, as mehole, verrucca, and mary loo are going to be injected with the plague vaccine on live telly, what a treat ladies and gentlemen:rolleyes:

Why not get the Hobbit and wife out of their bunker in the Park and dose the pair of them? About high time he stepped up and acted as president of this nation, not skulking in the Aras writing hikayus in Gaelic about whatever Socialist ideals are in vouge, or showing up to commemorate bloody Sunday in 1920?

He can risk catching Covid for something like that, but couldn't address the nation on St Patrick's day when we were starting off "all in this together" [Apart form golfing TD's judges and senators and partying RTE members:rolleyes:] and left it to Leona to quote movie lines from Terminator.:rolleyes:
The hypocrisy and smugness of that horrible little man and his joined at the hip wife sickens me to vomit every time I see or hear the pair of them. So maybe they could actually try and do somthing presidential and leadership worthy for their salary?:mad::mad:

Rosahane · 06-12-2020 1:42pm

Over on the Farming and Forestry forum there is some debate on the treatment of people who questioned the vegan diet on the Vegan forum. One of the posters put up this link to an article from a microbiologist from Greenland about the Greenlander diet of fish and game which makes interesting reading:

https://fivemedia.com/articles/she-wants-to-ignite-a-diet-revolution-in-greenland-we-eat-from-nature/?fbclid=IwAR3rNqEX2Q45wvAvKMzdek9Zp7f73Gefb9rzjm63AbBWV0UkgHUPti6bBg8

I think it will strike a chord with us hunters!

Grizzly 45 · 06-12-2020 4:16pm

Rated the worlds most disgusting food...
To make kiviaq, she learned, around 30 whole birds (with feathers, intestines, and all) are sewn into a sealskin, then left to ferment under a pile of rocks for at least three months. When they’re finally removed, the birds are eaten raw.

Can't wait to see Darina Allen serve that one up !!!:eek:

What's the grossest, nastiest thing you lot have eaten? [Your significant other's cooking doesn't count.]
Rat and rattlesnake in my case. Yes, they both taste like chicken, the rattler more like a gamier tougher chicken.:rolleyes:

Feisar · 06-12-2020 10:59pm

Probably the worst I ever ate was swordfish. Sort of a chicken texture with a fishy taste. I detested it. Tripe soup in a village in Poland, great stuff. On our honeymoon my wife used to laugh at me brushing my teeth with bottled water but would eat anything. Ate some questionable stuff at a market. Cold pigs ear in a Chinese on Parnel St in Dublin was manky. I used to go in and point at Chinese writing, lucky dip as to what’s appear on the plate.

tudderone · 07-12-2020 12:10am

Feisar wrote: »

Probably the worst I ever ate was swordfish. Sort of a chicken texture with a fishy taste. I detested it. Tripe soup in a village in Poland, great stuff. On our honeymoon my wife used to laugh at me brushing my teeth with bottled water but would eat anything. Ate some questionable stuff at a market. Cold pigs ear in a Chinese on Parnel St in Dublin was manky. I used to go in and point at Chinese writing, lucky dip as to what’s appear on the plate.

Many years ago i was in a boxing club with a lad who was in the French Foreign Legion. I was asking him what it was like, he reckoned all they fed you was tripe in milk, its to try and build you up. Sounds manky.

Rows Grower · 07-12-2020 12:19am

tudderone wrote: »

Many years ago i was in a boxing club with a lad who was in the French Foreign Legion. I was asking him what it was like, he reckoned all they fed you was tripe in milk, its to try and build you up. Sounds manky.

That is considered a delicacy by a lot of the older generation in Cork, usually served with drisheen.

I'd take it instead of frogs legs any day of the week.

Mellor · 07-12-2020 1:00am

Feisar wrote: »

Probably the worst I ever ate was swordfish. Sort of a chicken texture with a fishy taste. I detested it. Tripe soup in a village in Poland, great stuff. On our honeymoon my wife used to laugh at me brushing my teeth with bottled water but would eat anything. Ate some questionable stuff at a market. Cold pigs ear in a Chinese on Parnel St in Dublin was manky. I used to go in and point at Chinese writing, lucky dip as to what’s appear on the plate.

Sounds like the swordfish was just badly cooked tbh. Should be a meaty fish, like tuna steak or other robust white fish.

The pigs ear. Probably depends how its cooked. Cold in a broth and its going to be manky ang gelatinous. But it can also be crumbed and deep fried like a snitzel - delicious when done right. There's a Irish chef in Oz, he's on MyKitchenRules if anyoen has seen the show, who is know for snout to tail philosophy - some thing I think hunters are quicker to agree with.

Offal and odd bits don't bother me - but only if there's a way to make it tasty. ie I'm not going to drink blood for sustenance, but more than happy to eat black pudding. I'd need to be stranded a few months bore I think the 10calories from an eyeball would save me.

Had snails in a french restaurant. Just like tough mussels, no flavour, just and excuse for a bowl of garlic butter.

Worst thing hands down was some questionable durian fruit from a market in thailand. Durian stinks and is banned from hotels. I was tole told the taste makes up for the smell. It didn't, (may have been a rotten piece also)

Grizzly 45 · 07-12-2020 10:12am

Mellor wrote: »

Sounds like the swordfish was just badly cooked tbh. Should be a meaty fish, like tuna steak or other robust white fish.

The pigs ear. Probably depends how its cooked. Cold in a broth and its going to be manky ang gelatinous. But it can also be crumbed and deep fried like a snitzel - delicious when done right. There's a Irish chef in Oz, he's on MyKitchenRules if anyoen has seen the show, who is know for snout to tail philosophy - some thing I think hunters are quicker to agree with.

Offal and odd bits don't bother me - but only if there's a way to make it tasty. ie I'm not going to drink blood for sustenance, but more than happy to eat black pudding. I'd need to be stranded a few months bore I think the 10calories from an eyeball would save me.

Had snails in a french restaurant. Just like tough mussels, no flavour, just and excuse for a bowl of garlic butter.

Worst thing hands down was some questionable durian fruit from a market in thailand. Durian stinks and is banned from hotels. I was tole told the taste makes up for the smell. It didn't, (may have been a rotten piece also)

So we have amongst us one who has eaten the stink fruit!Been described as like" eating custard in a sewer."Foul enough fresh so it would be hard to tell is it off.

Snails,meh...better done in a kind of pie than the shells.But still a rubbery bit of nothing that tastes of garlic.

Marlin is an excellent fish and whoever prepped if sounds like they had no clue on how to cook it or it was an old piece.

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