Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

Renjit · 05-12-2020 08:35PM

Tork wrote: »

Then there were people eating snacks, sweets and takeaways at home.

I assume not many prefer to cook at home?

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2020 08:39PM

Tork wrote: »

I'm not so sure. The gains made at the hygiene end may have been lost at the diet and lifestyle end. I have a feeling the off-licences and supermarkets shifted more booze. Then there were people eating snacks, sweets and takeaways at home.

Just on the off license sales, domestic violence also increased. One of the many negatives of lockdown

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/take-home-alcohol-sales-surged-22053054

bush · 05-12-2020 08:44PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Would it be possible that the lockdowns, masks, social distancing, washing your hands regularly and no pubs mean a lot of people are living healthier lives?

No

Widdensushi · 05-12-2020 08:45PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Would it be possible that the lockdowns, masks, social distancing, washing your hands regularly and no pubs mean a lot of people are living healthier lives?

Some prisoners in jail get institutionalised, they like the safety and can't handle the real world, I reckon some people will suffer long covid who never had Covid at all, that's one of the reasons I think it is important the schools are open, social skills have be gotten out in the world.

Renjit · 05-12-2020 08:47PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just on the off license sales, domestic violence also increased. One of the many negatives of lockdown

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/take-home-alcohol-sales-surged-22053054

I wonder Italy would be ok with these many negative or not?

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2020 08:51PM

Renjit wrote: »

I wonder Italy would be ok with these many negative or not?

Maybe ask an Italian?

Spanish Eyes · 05-12-2020 08:56PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Just on the off license sales, domestic violence also increased. One of the many negatives of lockdown

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/take-home-alcohol-sales-surged-22053054

Abusers will be abusers whether the pubs are open or not.

Kermit.de.frog · 05-12-2020 08:58PM

In the US they are going to smash their previous Saturday records today for new cases, hospitalisations and deaths. Really alarming situation developing over there on the back of months of epic irresponsibility and incompetence driven primarily by the Trump administration.

When the world needed leadership there was none.

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Spanish Eyes · 05-12-2020 08:58PM

I hope those going out enjoy themselves. It is great to see a bit of life coming back in most places.

Will join in tentatively during the week post lunchtime crowd. Happy Days, we can do this so why not!

Spanish Eyes · 05-12-2020 09:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In the US they are going to smash their previous Saturday records today for new cases, hospitalisations and deaths. Really alarming situation developing over there on the back of months of epic irresponsibility and incompetence driven primarily by the Trump administration.

When the world needed leadership there was none.

Really, who cares about that country anymore. Let them at it. It is their problem, not ours surely.

Hopefully the new Administration under Biden will be sensible. But will the 75m who voted for Trump change their view?

Great not to hear Trump anymore. Hallelujah.

seamus · 05-12-2020 09:05PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Seriously?

No. This "from Covid" and "with Covid" nonsense has been around from the start.

People who test positive when dead are not automatically included in the stats unless Covid is believe to have been a primary factor in their death.

Renjit · 05-12-2020 09:13PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Great not to hear Trump anymore. Hallelujah.

Trump is simply a product of supply and demand. The problem lies elsewhere.

Btw Trump is a smart man, and he knows it

Spanish Eyes · 05-12-2020 09:17PM

Renjit wrote: »

Trump is simply a product of supply and demand. The problem lies elsewhere.

Btw Trump is a smart man, and he knows it

Educate me and us please. Thank you.

niallo27 · 05-12-2020 09:18PM

seamus wrote: »

No. This "from Covid" and "with Covid" nonsense has been around from the start.

People who test positive when dead are not automatically included in the stats unless Covid is believe to have been a primary factor in their death.

While I don't agree with the whole if your killed by a bus with covid your marked as covid stuff, shouldn't our excess deaths be a lot higher if covid was a primary factor.

elynam · 05-12-2020 09:18PM

seamus wrote: »

No. This "from Covid" and "with Covid" nonsense has been around from the start.

People who test positive when dead are not automatically included in the stats unless Covid is believe to have been a primary factor in their death.

This is incorrect. As noted below at the link Ireland counted everyone who could or may have had Covid and died. So yes people who test positive and die are indeed classified as Covid deaths. Part of the ongoing assault on facts by various parts of the media and quangos.

https://twitter.com/leovaradkar/status/1278995351169613824?s=21

Nonoperational · 05-12-2020 09:19PM

seamus wrote: »

No. This "from Covid" and "with Covid" nonsense has been around from the start.

People who test positive when dead are not automatically included in the stats unless Covid is believe to have been a primary factor in their death.

Yep. You could apply the same to any illness that kills someone. I've filled in many many death certs unfortunately and I don't think I've ever done one without writing at least 3 separate conditions on it.

But there's just no point.... I've given up at this stage. People are free to think what they want. Covid causes nasty pneumonia in older patients. It's horrific.

niallo27 · 05-12-2020 09:19PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Educate me and us please. Thank you.

Amercia's health system was ****ed a long time before trump, plus some states are doing quiet well, each state dictates their own restrictions anyway doesn't it.

normanoffside · 05-12-2020 09:27PM

seamus wrote: »

No. This "from Covid" and "with Covid" nonsense has been around from the start.

People who test positive when dead are not automatically included in the stats unless Covid is believe to have been a primary factor in their death.

You are totally wrong. DOH used to tweet the deaths as being 'from covid', then 'with covid', now they say 'related to covid'

We also notify deaths which are 'suspected to be related to covid' I.E. no positive test.

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1335279381678329863

jackboy · 05-12-2020 09:31PM

normanoffside wrote: »

You are totally wrong. DOH used to tweet the deaths as being 'from covid', then 'with covid', now they say 'related to covid'

We also notify deaths which are 'suspected to be related to covid' I.E. no positive test.

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1335279381678329863

So deaths from Covid are no longer reported? What’s the game here?

Humberto Salazar · 05-12-2020 09:33PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In the US they are going to smash their previous Saturday records today for new cases, hospitalisations and deaths. Really alarming situation developing over there on the back of months of epic irresponsibility and incompetence driven primarily by the Trump administration.

When the world needed leadership there was none.

If you think Biden will save them, you are naieve at best.

Professor Moriarty · 05-12-2020 09:38PM

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

If you think Biden will save them, you are naieve at best.

No, they are not naive. It's a binary choice. Trump or Biden. Biden might not save them but he will try. Trump is an egotistical fool who doesn't give a fiddler's.

Jim_Hodge · 05-12-2020 09:39PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Amercia's health system was ****ed a long time before trump, plus some states are doing quiet well, each state dictates their own restrictions anyway doesn't it.

Genuine question. What do you consider as 'doing quite well'? Relative to what?

Vermont and Maine were very low in numbers but now rising. Hawaii is the only one I can see with numbers per capita below ours and not showing recent sharp growth.

normanoffside · 05-12-2020 09:40PM

jackboy wrote: »

So deaths from Covid are no longer reported? What’s the game here?

Only very few of our deaths can be noted as 'from covid' in most cases it's just one of many factors. That was always the case. People need to start realising this before getting hysterical.

Also the more 'cases' we have, more people getting tested etc, means more deaths occur 'with covid' or 'related to covid' ditto hospitalisations, ICU etc.

The number of deaths, hospitalisations or ICU admissions are not necessarily because of covid.

bb1234567 · 05-12-2020 09:43PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Genuine question. What do you consider as 'doing quite well'? Relative to what?

Vermont and Maine were very low in numbers but now rising. Hawaii is the only one I can see with numbers per capita below ours and not showing recent sharp growth.

If any state was doing well that will be shortly seen to by the spread from Winter holidays. All 50 US states have confirmed widespread uncontrolled transmission, and that was a week before Thanksgiving.

If all US states were individual countries 15 US states would be the top 20 deaths per capita worldwide. (excluding San Marino and Andorra). It's really just an unbelieavable fail considering the US has one of the youngest populations in the developed world and one of the highest number of hospital beds per capita on earth.

DellyBelly · 05-12-2020 09:49PM

Only saw the number of cases for today just now.. Wow day 2 of lockdown and we go from under 200 cases t over 400 cases.. Its only going to get worse I'm afraid..

Kermit.de.frog · 05-12-2020 09:54PM

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

If you think Biden will save them, you are naieve at best.

Fauci saying today that "drastic and draconian measures" will be needed in some states.

Presumably that will be after the inauguration as the current specimen in the White House is only concerned with his own fate.

Meanwhile Trump is holding a losers rally today and it's the same old stuff - no masks, no distancing...in a state where hospital capacity is fast running out.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1335260785510146048

vienne86 · 05-12-2020 09:55PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Only saw the number of cases for today just now.. Wow day 2 of lockdown and we go from under 200 cases t over 400 cases.. Its only going to get worse I'm afraid..

Under reporting in the last couple of days because of IT issue was corrected in today's figures. So today's figure is artificially high.

JP Liz V1 · 05-12-2020 10:24PM

Pavee Point is backing calls by a Government minister to hundreds of transient Irish Travellers not to return to their County Limerick home town for Christmas.

Minister for Skills and Further Education Niall Collins said Rathkeale was in danger of becoming a high risk Covid-19 zone over the holiday when the town's population traditionally increases from 1,500 to more than 3,000 due to the homecoming of Travellers.

He has appealed to Travellers who normally return for Christmas, to put off their plans this year.

Many will be coming from areas in the UK and mainland Europe, which are in lockdown due to surges in the virus.

Mr Collins, who is a local TD, said: "Rathkeale will be at risk, big time, and that is the reality of it with the numbers who come into the town for the holiday period. Normally, a dedicated policing and public health plan is put in place by the HSE. But this year, due to the Covid-19 crisis, huge extra resources will have to be deployed to prevent a spike in Rathkeale.

“I am taking the whole situation up with the HSE to ensure that all possible precautions are taken to ensure that those living in Rathkeale and those visiting can have a safe, healthy Christmas and New Year.”

Martin Collins, of Pavee Point, backed the minister's appeal. "I would say to all the Travellers who normally come back home to Rathkeale to stay put; that is the safest thing to do,” he said. “They should restrict their movements. But realistically, there will be a considerable number of Travellers coming back to Rathkeale and the HSE will have to ramp up their plan for the town which is put in place for Christmas."

Michael Aherne, of the HSE community health care department in Limerick, said they were currently recruiting for a doctor and nurse to manage a temporary clinic they open each Christmas in Rathkeale to support local GP services.

Settled Traveller Terry O'Brien (62), who has lived in Rathkeale for more than 30 years, said a number of his relatives were expected for Christmas.

"I and all the other Travellers in Rathkeale are taking the precautions we are asked to. No Traveller wants to get this or give it to anybody else. But there are a lot of people coming back."

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/travellers-asked-not-to-return-home-for-christmas-39824760.html

Widdensushi · 05-12-2020 10:27PM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Only saw the number of cases for today just now.. Wow day 2 of lockdown and we go from under 200 cases t over 400 cases.. Its only going to get worse I'm afraid..

It will be great, day three will have a big decrease.

majcos · 05-12-2020 11:12PM

HSE operations report 5/12

As of 8pm, hospitalised Covid cases 233 - increase from 226.

ICU Covid cases 28 - decrease from 29.
17 of those ventilated
2 deaths in ICUs last 24 hours.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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