My â‚¬100m BEAM scheme

03-12-2020 05:46PM

Grueller wrote: »

I am paying it back, that simple. I went through everything completely accurately to the best of my knowledge and would need to sell 40 cows to meet the reduction.
My nitrates have risen drastically due to going dairying as a dairy cow is 89 as against a suckler being 65. Cest la vie, I said at the time I was viewing it as an interest free loan at a time that I needed it. That's the way it has turned out.

In the same boat, will be paying it back, At the time looked at it as a cheap loan.

kk.man · 04-12-2020 12:23AM

DukeCaboom wrote: »

In the same boat, will be paying it back, At the time looked at it as a cheap loan.

I'm thinking of paying back mine too. Maxed out with sheep and cattle side of the business doing well despite factory price. If I downsized to keep the Beam I project to loose 4k my beam was 2.8k.

Sami23 · 04-12-2020 11:12AM

DukeCaboom wrote: »

In the same boat, will be paying it back, At the time looked at it as a cheap loan.

Same here - anyone know when they will take it back.
Presume they will just dock it from SFP etc

amens · 04-12-2020 05:43PM

9% under here. Had my own spreadsheet calculating nitrates and the icbf one matches pretty closely. I'd say they'll get far more than 5% reduction in general as the penalty is so high for being even a small bit under.

Good loser · 04-12-2020 08:42PM

kk.man wrote: »

I'm thinking of paying back mine too. Maxed out with sheep and cattle side of the business doing well despite factory price. If I downsized to keep the Beam I project to loose 4k my beam was 2.8k.

Find that hard to believe.

Do the maths again. €2800 should represent the profit from 14 plus acres.

Could you get some stock into another herd number for few months?

kk.man · 04-12-2020 11:10PM

Good loser wrote: »

Find that hard to believe.

Do the maths again. €2800 should represent the profit from 14 plus acres.

Could you get some stock into another herd number for few months?

I have a very good net margin consistainly on my cattle enterprise. The figures are correct.

I'd love to get them into another Herd number but I can't see it happening.

sonnybill · 10-12-2020 11:38PM

Where On agfood can you get your reference value to input into Icbf calculator?

tanko · 10-12-2020 11:58PM

sonnybill wrote: »

Where On agfood can you get your reference value to input into Icbf calculator?

Exceptional aid measures on the main menu then select scheme to enter then click on BEAM, click on the circle then.

sonnybill · 11-12-2020 12:59AM

I’m well over when you take the calves landing from February onwards , if I do nothing I pay back E360 if I transfer out the rep heifers until after June 30th I be sound but sure Tb test them then to come back. If I cut two cows out that’s 180 gone on the beep

tanko · 11-12-2020 01:04AM

There's a rule about artificially creating the conditions to qualify for the payment.
I assume that rules out transferring cattle to another herd and transferring them back in to your herd.

Jb1989 · 11-12-2020 01:12AM

sonnybill wrote: »

I’m well over when you take the calves landing from February onwards , if I do nothing I pay back E360 if I transfer out the rep heifers until after June 30th I be sound but sure Tb test them then to come back. If I cut two cows out that’s 180 gone on the beep

Is the beep back for next year at the same money? Otherwise they have no hold on you now for this year's beep cows.

sonnybill · 13-12-2020 03:39PM

tanko wrote: »

There's a rule about artificially creating the conditions to qualify for the payment.
I assume that rules out transferring cattle to another herd and transferring them back in to your herd.

A man can sell six heifers though , change his mind and buy them back fit for bulling, balls of a scheme this one anyway.. it’s feckin the price of cattle too as lads don’t understand it so cutting back 20% and buying lambs instead of weanlings/stores etc

I’d say loads will get caught and give the 100% back

dohc turbo2 · 13-12-2020 07:09PM

I will have to give it back , my previous bull got injured and he was a great replacement bull so I’ve a heap of smashing red heiffers that will make great mothers so maxed out here to try and keep them , as it’s a great opportunity

kk.man · 13-12-2020 09:58PM

Ah sure it was interest free money anyway...I did up a cattle house with it.

Cavanjack · 14-12-2020 12:10AM

tanko wrote: »

There's a rule about artificially creating the conditions to qualify for the payment.
I assume that rules out transferring cattle to another herd and transferring them back in to your herd.

I was going down this route too until I saw that a few weeks ago

whelan2 · 14-12-2020 07:11AM

My dad is getting out of cattle has sold a few but will still just have a handful left. Would this be ok?

Hurling Hereford · 14-12-2020 07:23PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

I was going down this route too until I saw that a few weeks ago

after the 30th June next year we are free from the BEAM requirements again. amazing the amount of lads that thought BEAM was like the BDGP & was a six year scheme...

Base price · 14-12-2020 08:54PM

whelan2 wrote: »

My dad is getting out of cattle has sold a few but will still just have a handful left. Would this be ok?

From what I understand from the T&C's it's not a problem as long as he keeps to his minimium stocking density relative to his SFP application. However I will stand corrected.
I'm sure that someone with more knowledge of the scheme will hopefully post to advise.

Cavanjack · 14-12-2020 11:53PM

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

after the 30th June next year we are free from the BEAM requirements again. amazing the amount of lads that thought BEAM was like the BDGP & was a six year scheme...

Yeah the rules were easy to understand. Reduce by 5%. Can’t believe some lads still can’t get their head around them.
There should be monthly figures available though to help people keep below the 5%

charolais0153 · 15-12-2020 12:08AM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Yeah the rules were easy to understand. Reduce by 5%. Can’t believe some lads still can’t get their head around them.
There should be monthly figures available though to help people keep below the 5%

It's up on 1000 for most lads and 10000 for others and lads don't want to take out the calculator, tells its own story

leoch · 15-12-2020 08:34AM

Is it reduce by 5 percent or more as long as u dont go over???.......i will shortly have no cattle as all gone to factory but for 6 and am thinking about not buying any for a month to see how brexit goes will i be ok

wrangler · 15-12-2020 09:09AM

leoch wrote: »

Is it reduce by 5 percent or more as long as u dont go over???.......i will shortly have no cattle as all gone to factory but for 6 and am thinking about not buying any for a month to see how brexit goes will i be ok

Is it not a minimum five percent reduction of last years stocking rate over the year based on your nitrates figure, you'd have to work out your own figures, I doubt if anyone can tell you from here

tanko · 15-12-2020 11:46AM

leoch wrote: »

Is it reduce by 5 percent or more as long as u dont go over???.......i will shortly have no cattle as all gone to factory but for 6 and am thinking about not buying any for a month to see how brexit goes will i be ok

It's reduce by at least 5%. You could reduce by 100% and you'll be fine for the BEAM scheme afaik. I don't remember seeing anything in the terms and conditions that says you can't do this.

Edit. Just because you have no cattle for one month it doesn't mean you'll automatically achieve the at least 5% reduction. It's calculated over 12 months, if you have too many in the other 11 months you could miss out.

I see the ICSA are looking for changes to the BEAM scheme as its looking like a lot of farmers are going to end up losing the money.

DBK1 · 15-12-2020 12:47PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Yeah the rules were easy to understand. Reduce by 5%. Can’t believe some lads still can’t get their head around them.
There should be monthly figures available though to help people keep below the 5%

The figures are there on Agfood, it’s very simple really, it’s hard to see how lads can’t figure it out.

If you go to your n and P statement on Agfood, the latest figures bring you to the end of October. Take that figure and subtract the Jan to end of June figure that’s also there. That gives you the July to October figure for this year. Do the exact same thing with the 2018 figures and you have your reference figure. That will tell you straight away how you’re doing.

Repeat every month as the monthly figures are updated. It would be better for the figures to be updated more promptly at the end of the months instead of being 6 to 8 weeks behind alright but you should have a fair idea what way you are.

Grueller · 15-12-2020 03:57PM

DBK1 wrote: »

The figures are there on Agfood, it’s very simple really, it’s hard to see how lads can’t figure it out.

If you go to your n and P statement on Agfood, the latest figures bring you to the end of October. Take that figure and subtract the Jan to end of June figure that’s also there. That gives you the July to October figure for this year. Do the exact same thing with the 2018 figures and you have your reference figure. That will tell you straight away how you’re doing.

Repeat every month as the monthly figures are updated. It would be better for the figures to be updated more promptly at the end of the months instead of being 6 to 8 weeks behind alright but you should have a fair idea what way you are.

That's ok if you haven't changed farming system.

DBK1 · 15-12-2020 04:39PM

Grueller wrote: »

That's ok if you haven't changed farming system.

The system you’re farming is completely irrelevant. The figures from Agfood are the department figures and that’s what the Beam is based on.

Grueller · 15-12-2020 04:50PM

DBK1 wrote: »

The system you’re farming is completely irrelevant. The figures from Agfood are the department figures and that’s what the Beam is based on.

That is correct to be fair. I actually meant to quote a post further up from Charolais0153 about lads not using calculators.

If a lad changed from rearing calves to buying weanlings and carrying them to stores or finish the older stock with higher nitrates would affect this scheme.
I have got a good wedge from it but will be paying it back as I went dairying and the higher nitrates value on a dairy cow means it is almost impossible to meet it. I said at the time and a few pages ago here though that it was an interest free loan while I was building a parlour and I needed the money. Still won't like paying it back though.

Cavanjack · 15-12-2020 11:54PM

Grueller wrote: »

That is correct to be fair. I actually meant to quote a post further up from Charolais0153 about lads not using calculators.

If a lad changed from rearing calves to buying weanlings and carrying them to stores or finish the older stock with higher nitrates would affect this scheme.
I have got a good wedge from it but will be paying it back as I went dairying and the higher nitrates value on a dairy cow means it is almost impossible to meet it. I said at the time and a few pages ago here though that it was an interest free loan while I was building a parlour and I needed the money. Still won't like paying it back though.

For yourself would you not try and put cattle in another herd for a couple of months ( B and

. If it’s a thing they say “you artificially skewed” the figures, all that’ll happen is you’ll lose the money. The same as what you think is going to happen now anyway.
Don’t know if you said what you got earlier but if it was over a few thousand it might be worth your while,
Got 10,000 here so not chancing anything just incase.

minerleague · 15-01-2021 10:24PM

See campaign to get 5% reduction watered down has begun. Will it work??

Grueller · 15-01-2021 11:13PM

minerleague wrote: »

See campaign to get 5% reduction watered down has begun. Will it work??

I would say so. There is a bit ofa political shove on it seems. How far it will be watered is the only doubt.

My â‚¬100m BEAM scheme

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