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Car ploughs through crowd in Germany

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    #152
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its your defining of hate speech and incitement which I can't reconcile.

    It's too vague, and, especially when the accusation is levelled at posters here, makes no sense.

    That's not an accident, it needs to be vague, then people are never sure if they are falling afoul of it and so never even approach the topics at all.


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    #153
    [Deleted User]
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    Exhibit A:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115480617&postcount=24


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    #154
    Feisar
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not engaging with the likes of you.

    Ah, the Chewbacca defense.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #155
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Exhibit A:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115480617&postcount=24

    That's hate speech in your opinion?

    Would you support a law which would punish people for making that statement?


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    #156
    Wombatman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Why do people make assumptions, or jump to conclusions, at all in these situations? No benefit to it. Why can't people just wait for the facts to emerge and draw evidence based conclusions.

    If official investigators did this they would be the dangerous, or the laughing stock at least. Deciding who the perpetrator is, prematurely, can wrongly lead to efforts to make the evidence fit.

    Fact: Girls told not to wear leggings to PE.

    Premature ill-founded conclusion, soon to become an international news story: Male teachers in the school are pedos.

    At least leave the pitch-forks at home until their is concrete proof.


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    #157
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's hate speech in your opinion?

    Would you support a law which would punish people for making that statement?
    I abide by the constitution of Germany.


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    #158
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That's hate speech in your opinion?

    Would you support a law which would punish people for making that statement?

    It’s almost like they ain’t believe that young Muslim men aren’t being groomed in mosques to commit atrocities.

    It’s certainly where the perpetrators of the MEN planned their attack. And London Bridge. And sadly so many others.


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    #159
    quokula
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's hate speech in your opinion?

    Would you support a law which would punish people for making that statement?

    If you think that's not hate speech there's something wrong with you.


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    #160
    Gervais08
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I abide by the constitution of Germany.

    Which was created to stop Holocaust denial and anti Semitic abuse.

    But you knew that.


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    #161
    Gervais08
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    quokula wrote: »
    If you think that's not hate speech there's something wrong with you.

    Okay I’ll bite with you - point out how speculating that where middle aged Imams in questionable mosques have been proved to have radicalized young men to commit Islamist terror attacks - perhaps carry out one themselves, is “hate speech” under the law? Any law.


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    #162
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I abide by the constitution of Germany.

    So would you support a law which would punish the post you quoted?

    Not abide by, but actively support and agree with.


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    #163
    [Deleted User]
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    quokula wrote: »
    If you think that's not hate speech there's something wrong with you.

    Is saying there are some dodgy priests that are questionable with children hate speech too?


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    #164
    Gaoth Laidir
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    Just hearing about his now. Went on to the Frankfurter Allgemeine website to look for it but was surprised not to see it at all on the main page. I had to search "Trier" to find anything related to it.

    Five dead, 14 injured, 51-year old German man from the area. As he's not an immigrant, this will therefore not be called a "terror" attack and no more on it shall be spoken. No, terror only relates to attacks carried out by non-nationals...


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    #165
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    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    Just hearing about his now. Went on to the Frankfurter Allgemeine website to look for it but was surprised not to see it at all on the main page. I had to search "Trier" to find anything related to it.

    Five dead, 14 injured, 51-year old German man from the area. As he's not an immigrant, this will therefore not be called a "terror" attack and no more on it shall be spoken. No, terror only relates to attacks carried out by non-nationals...
    I found it on FAZ straight away yesterday when it was current news.


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    #166
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    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    Just hearing about his now. Went on to the Frankfurter Allgemeine website to look for it but was surprised not to see it at all on the main page. I had to search "Trier" to find anything related to it.

    Five dead, 14 injured, 51-year old German man from the area. As he's not an immigrant, this will therefore not be called a "terror" attack and no more on it shall be spoken. No, terror only relates to attacks carried out by non-nationals...

    I agree that not calling it a terror attack seems like a "downgrade" but terrorism is usually defined as an attack for political or religious reasons so I can see why it's not called it.

    It is horrific and I can't believe it has left the main headlines so quickly.


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    #167
    km991148
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    Gervais08 wrote: »
    I’m glad you find attacks such as Nice to be such wonderful comedy fodder for your righteous posts.

    Oh Hi, you are back - and *now* you want to be serious?

    Do you remember ignoring my serious questions earlier in the thread, to push your own self righteous agenda?

    But now suddenly everyone is queuing up to pretend they give a sh!t about this attack or its victims.
    km991148 wrote: »
    There will be at some point.

    Dies that mean every accident or attack should be treated as one?
    Should we continue to Stoke the flames with generalisations about older religious types grooming terrorists or allude about the tanning of skin?
    Gervais08 wrote: »
    You say “at some point” like there haven’t been any! Ffs.


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    #168
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    km991148 wrote: »

    But now suddenly everyone is queuing up to pretend they give a sh!t about this attack or its victims.

    ooof that isn't a good look.


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    #169
    Gaoth Laidir
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I found it on FAZ straight away yesterday when it was current news.

    Yesterday. But it's fallen right off not 24 hours later.


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    #170
    km991148
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    ooof that isn't a good look.

    I don't care how it looks - I tell it how it is - people are willing to pretend to care about the seriousness of the attack and then go on to spout nonsense about all sorts unrelated to the attack.

    You almost done it in this very post - keen to be *seen* to point out how something looks..

    While again - I asked some serious questions earlier on that no one is willing to answer (too late now, we are on the Muslim bashing wagon now of course).


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    #171
    Harry Palmr
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    Gaoth Laidir wrote: »
    Yesterday. But it's fallen right off not 24 hours later.

    It's all about what an incident implies, there are still multiple shooting with mass casualties in the USA but they are hardly making a ripple of news as they are "domestic/postal/random white guy with issues" and we all have bigger fish to fry at the moment.


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    #172
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    km991148 wrote: »

    But now suddenly everyone is queuing up to pretend they give a sh!t about this attack or its victims.

    Just because you don't care, don't project that onto others.


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    #173
    Baggly
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    spurious wrote: »
    Did a Muslim or brown person get his job? (desperation stakes)

    Maybe it was a woman!

    Cue anti-'feminism' rants, the go-to setting for some.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Username checks out anyway.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not engaging with the likes of you.
    greendom wrote: »
    The irony !
    Feisar wrote: »
    Ah, the Chewbacca defense.

    Mod

    All of you, dont post in this thread again.


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    #174
    km991148
    Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Just because you don't care, don't project that onto others.

    I don't think you understand projection really.

    The absolute usual shyte from boards here. Try to discuss something. Gets ignored. Pick up on one issues - argue the toss out of it in a sea of self righteous horsesh!t.

    Usual load voices pushing their own crap. I made that comment prematurely on another thread. I stand by it on this one.

    Enjoy the circle jerk of one upmanship and muslim bashing.


    btw - stick me on that list too ^^


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    #175
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    km991148 wrote: »
    I don't think you understand projection really.

    The absolute usual shyte from boards here. Try to discuss something. Gets ignored. Pick up on one issues - argue the toss out of it in a sea of self righteous horsesh!t.

    Usual load voices pushing their own crap. I made that comment prematurely on another thread. I stand by it on this one.

    Enjoy the circle jerk of one upmanship and muslim bashing.


    btw - stick me on that list too.

    Mod

    Dont come back to this thread.


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    #176
    biko
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    From DW about this latest vehicular homicide this year
    https://www.dw.com/en/car-ploughs-into-pedestrian-zone-in-german-town/av-55790717
    Several people have been killed in the German city of Trier and more than a dozen seriously injured, after a car ploughed through a pedestrian zone. Police have been questioning the driver, a 51-year old local man. His motive is unclear.

    From DW February 2020
    https://www.dw.com/en/german-man-crashes-car-into-crowd-at-carnival-parade-injuring-dozens
    A German man has driven a vehicle into a crowd of Carnival revelers, injuring dozens of people, a third of them children. Authorities have arrested the main suspect, saying the incident was likely a "deliberate act."

    From DW July 2020
    https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-7-injured-as-car-plows-into-crowd/a-54321357
    A car has driven into a crowd of people in Germany's capital, leaving seven people injured — some seriously. The incident happened on Sunday morning near the Bahnhof Zoo metro station in the Charlottenburg district.


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    #177
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Exhibit A:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115480617&postcount=24

    If you were killed in Europe in 2019 by a terrorist, you were killed by a jihad.

    Notwithstanding not all Muslims are jihadis, all jihadis are Muslim.

    No one really knows the rate or % of radicalisation among this group. One man's radical us another man's liberal
    This is not hate speech, but an incontrovertible fact.


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    #178
    biko
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    https://www.de24.news/en/2020/12/bernd-w-51-trier-driving-amok-was-a-loner-who-lived-in-an-suv.html
    Bernd W. (51): Trier driving amok was a loner who lived in an SUV

    A terrorist attack or a politically motivated act seem ruled out: The German authorities have no evidence of a political background to the incident in Trier with at least four dead and several injured. The driver of the car who caught several people in the pedestrian zone is therefore not classified as a hazard.

    However, the driver was very specific about his victims. The Interior Minister of Rhineland-Palatinate, Roger Lewentz, said on Tuesday evening at a press conference: “The zigzag lines were specifically chosen to look for people and to hurt them.”

    According to “Focus”, the alleged gunman is 51-year-old Bernd W. Neighbors identified the man based on the license plate number of his SUV. A witness also said that he recognized Bernd W.’s shoes in the picture of the arrest. “That’s why I know that it was him – definitely.”


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    #179
    igCorcaigh
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    MikeOxsgreen wrote: »
    If you were killed in Europe in 2019 by a terrorist, you were killed by a jihad.


    Lyra McKee was murdered by jihadists?

    Anyway, has any more information come to light on this incident?


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    #180
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Lyra McKee was murdered by jihadists?

    Anyway, has any more information come to light on this incident?

    Maybe a common garden scumbag?
    Take it up with this lot:
    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/security/20180703STO07125/terrorism-in-the-eu-terror-attacks-deaths-and-arrests-in-2019


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    #181
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    MikeOxsgreen wrote: »
    Maybe a common garden scumbag?
    Take it up with this lot:
    https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/security/20180703STO07125/terrorism-in-the-eu-terror-attacks-deaths-and-arrests-in-2019

    Interesting point igCorcaigh
    Why isn't classified though?
    Dissidents claimed responsibility, but apologised that she wasn't the target.


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