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The Leinster Championship is dead.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Rolo2010 wrote: »
    I posted your comments where you kept mentioned Dublin and implying that it wasn't above board. Do you have any evidence to suggest that is true? You've gone beyond just discussing the level of funding from the GAA which was legal.

    Do you believe the GAA will not cut funding for Dublin this year but do it for other counties?

    So you can't back up your claim that I'm making any accusations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Strumms wrote: »
    Dublin simply have a significantly higher population, more players, more clubs therefore more funding is necessary. It’s not rocket science.

    Between 2007 and 2018 there was a difference in around 800,000 euros, between what Cork were awarded, and what Fermanagh were awarded...

    Should Fermanagh get to complain about that ? Ignoring playing populations, number of clubs etc... should every county just be awarded an equal share of the funds...? It would be foolish to suggest that they should...

    If a county say ‘A’ has 12 clubs, 72 teams across all age groups and genders... circa 2200 players... across the county

    Is it fair the they receive the SAME funding as a county ‘B’ with 30 clubs say... 180 teams ? It’s not. The greater share of the funding goes to help the county with more clubs, teams and 6500 players...it SHOULD.

    That’s why Cork get more than Louth and Kerry get more than Laois, Dublin get more than, everybody because there are a huge number of clubs and participants... underage to senior to masters... football, hurling, camogie, handball... simple economics based on the playing population...

    Dublin get a lot more money but it needs to go a hell of a ways further...

    Dublin got more than 20 million between 2005 and 2018. The next highest was 1.6 million in that time period. Does Dublin have over 10 times the population of Cork for example? The money was spent on coaches, Dublin had near 100 coaches while all other counties had between 1 and 6.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,118 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Cork county has a population of around 500k, Dublin has a population of around 1.3m. Cork have the most amount of GAA clubs with 259, almost twice that of Dubin (134)

    Between 2007 and 2018, Dublin received almost €18m in coaching/game development grants directly from Croke Park. Cork are second with €1.4m

    Not rocket science indeed.

    Really ? Go to the Cork GAA website.. they certainly don’t have 259 clubs listed or close even... a quick scan granted but I counted 145 listed.

    While Dublin may have less clubs, it has more teams underage, senior, girls, ladies and more besides.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,815 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Strumms wrote: »
    Really ? Go to the Cork GAA website.. they certainly don’t have 259 clubs listed or close even... a quick scan granted but I counted 145 listed.

    While Dublin may have less clubs, it has more teams underage, senior, girls, ladies and more besides.

    But your point was that Dublin should get more money because they have a higher population - nothing wrong with that logic but they don't have 12x the population whatever measure you use. They have been getting way more than their fair share for a long time now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 207 ✭✭Rolo2010


    Enquiring wrote: »
    So you can't back up your claim that I'm making any accusations?

    I did. Your quotes are there. Why else would you bring up the FAI or suggest that Dublin has something to hide?

    I will ask you again. Do you have any evidence to suggest that Dublin has committed any wrongdoing? Do you have any evidence to suggest that Dublin and Bertie to defraud the public of millions of euros?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    RoyalCelt wrote: »
    Last I see a few years ago they'd something like 7 million in spare cash lying around. Not only could they fund themselves, they could fund a few others while they're at it.

    Links ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    dunnerc wrote: »
    Links ?

    Try Google. Did it a bit of research for you and in 2019 Dublin made a profit of around €1M

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaas-annual-commercial-income-breaks-through-the-2m-barrier-38779148.html

    Scratching my head as to why they get so much funding with results like that. They million could pay for about 30 full time coaches around Leinster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Sonny678


    The roll of honour does not back up this point.

    The most competitive period was the 17 seasons from 1935 to 1951. Seven different counties won Leinster Championships, Meath five, Laois four, Louth three, Dublin two, Kildare, Wexford and Carlow one each. This is the golden era of competition within Leinster.

    1997 to 2005 is the second most competitive period.

    Prior to that, only from 1983 was it sown up between Dublin and Meath.

    Offaly won three Leinster Championships in each of the 60s, 70s and 80s. Three different counties won in the 70s. Four different counties won in the 1960s: Dublin three, Meath three, Offaly three and Longford one. The 1950s also had four different counties winning, and I've already outlined from 1935 above.

    The simple facts are that the periods where two counties dominate are the less common and the Leinster championship had many very competitive periods where numerous different counties managed to get over the line. It really was a competitive gem in the provincial structure.

    Most teams have rarely beaten Dublin in leinster finals in Leinster. Laois Westmeath Wicklow Carlow and Longford have never beaten Dublin in leinster final. Offaly have beaten Dublin in 3 leinster finals the last time 35 years ago, Louth have beaten Dublin in 2 leinster finals the last time 60 years ago, Wexford haven’t beaten Dublin in leinster final in 100 years and Kildare have beaten Dublin in 1 leinster final in 90 years, Meath defeated Dublin in 7 leinster finals in 15 years in 80s and 90s.

    This shows how dominant Dublin have been in leinster football. The team that would have regularly beaten Dublin in the past was Meath.

    Leinster teams record v Dublin in leinster championship

    Kildare have only beaten Dublin twice in 45 years

    Offaly have not beaten Dublin in 35 years.

    Laois have beaten Dublin once in 35 years 3 times in 70 years.

    Louth haven't not beaten Dublin in 48 years

    Westmeath have beaten Dublin twice in 130 years

    Wexford have not beaten Dublin in 70 years

    Wicklow have not beaten Dublin in 70 years their only victory

    Carlow have not beaten Dublin in nearly 80 years

    Longford have not beaten Dublin in 50 years

    Meath have beaten Dublin 9 times and drawn 5 times in the last 35 years in the championship

    ( Also there is 2 national league division 1 finals victories v the Dubs for Meath in 75 and 88 ) So that brings Meath up to 11 wins and 5 draws. 16 undefeated games v Dublin in Croke Park in over 3 decades for Meath.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Sonny678


    The roll of honour does not back up this point.

    The most competitive period was the 17 seasons from 1935 to 1951. Seven different counties won Leinster Championships, Meath five, Laois four, Louth three, Dublin two, Kildare, Wexford and Carlow one each. This is the golden era of competition within Leinster.

    1997 to 2005 is the second most competitive period.

    Prior to that, only from 1983 was it sown up between Dublin and Meath.

    Offaly won three Leinster Championships in each of the 60s, 70s and 80s. Three different counties won in the 70s. Four different counties won in the 1960s: Dublin three, Meath three, Offaly three and Longford one. The 1950s also had four different counties winning, and I've already outlined from 1935 above.

    The simple facts are that the periods where two counties dominate are the less common and the Leinster championship had many very competitive periods where numerous different counties managed to get over the line. It really was a competitive gem in the provincial structure.

    The only periods you had a very competitive leinster championship when you had numerous winners were late 90s to early 00s eg Winners Meath Dublin Kildare Offaly Laois Westmeath
    1940s 50s - Winners Meath Dublin Louth Kildare Wexford Carlow Laois

    In the last 60 years Dublin have won 33 Meath 13 Offaly 9 Kildare 2 Laois Westmeath and longford 1 each.,Dublin have been the kingpins for a long time in leinster. Take Meath and Offaly out of the equation Dublin could potentially have won 49 of the last 55 leinster titles Take out Meath and Offaly out of the equation. Dublin would have and probaly would havd won the leinster title from 1969 to 1997. (Meath Offaly and Dublin were the only winners during this period ) You take the period 1958 to 1997, a 39 year period with exception of 1968 Longfords win, every leinster title in those 38 years was won by Meath Dublin and Offaly. Dublin won 19 leinster, Meath 10 leinster , Offaly 9 leinster and longford 1 leinster in a 40 years period from 1958 to 1997. Between 1983 and 1996 Meath and Dublin won all 14 leinster titles in a row with 8 leinsters for Dublin and 6 leinsters for Meath. Between 1984 and 1996 9 of the 12 leinster finals where between Meath and Dublin.

    The most successful team of each decade, judged by number of Leinster Senior Football Championship titles, is as follows:
    • 1880s: 1 each for Kilkenny (1888) and Laois (1889)
    • 1890s: 7 for Dublin (1891-92-94-96-97-98-99)
    • 1900s: 6 for Dublin (1901-02-04-06-07-08)
    • 1910s: 6 for Wexford (1913–14-15-16-17-18)
    • 1920s: 5 for Dublin (1920-21-22-23-24) 4 for kildare 1929 28 27 26
    • 1930s: 3 each for Kildare (1930-31-35), Dublin (1932-33-34) and Laois (1936-37-38)
    • 1940s: 3 for Meath (1940-47-49) 2 for Dublin 1941 42, 2 for Louth 1943 48
    • 1950s: 3 each for Meath (1951-52-54) Louth (1950-53-57), and Dublin (1955-58-59)
    • 1960s: 3 each for Meath (1964-66-67) Offaly (1960-61-69), Dublin (1962-63-65)
    • 1970s: 6 for Dublin (1974-75-76-77-78-79)
    • 1980s: 4 for Dublin (1983-84-85-89) 3 for Meath 86 87 88 3 for Offaly 8081 82
    • 1990s: 4 each for Meath (1990-91-96-99) and Dublin (1992-93-94-95)
    • 2000s: 6 for Dublin (2002-05-06-07-08-09)
    • 2010s: 9 for Dublin (2011-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19)
    In summary Dublin dominated 5 decades and were unsuccessful only in two decades in 1880s and 1910.

    Dublin always had a challenger since the foundation of the state 100 years ago , and that challenger since 1930s was mostly Meath. Some decades there was two challengers. The difference with the last decade was for the first time ever Dublin didnt have a rival or challenger in leinster in 100 years .Dublin always had a rival..or whoever was the dominant force in the provience at the time had a rival. This decade first time ever no rival since foundation of the state.
    1890s Dublin dominate
    1900 Dublin dominate
    1910 Wexford dominate
    1920 30s Dublin had Kildare and loais as a rival
    1940s and 50s Meath had Louth and Dublin as rivals
    1960s Meath had Offaly as a rival
    1970s Dublin had Offaly as a rival
    1980s Meath had Dublin as a rival
    1990s Meath had Dublin Kildare and Offaly as rivals
    2000s Dublin had Meath Laois and Westmeath as a rival
    2010s Dublin dominate and have no rivals

    If you look at managers in leinster Dublin dominate here also, here are all the leinster winning managers. There has being 9 Dublin leinster winning managers, 2 Meath winnig manager, 2 Offaly winnig manager, 1 kildare winning manager, 1 laois and Westmeath winning manager

    Leinster Senior Winning Managers

    Seán Boylan Meath 8 leinsters 1986, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1996, 1999, 2001
    Kevin Heffernan Dublin 7 leinsters 1974, 1975, 1976, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985
    Jim Gavin Dublin 7 leinsters 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
    Paul Caffrey Dublin 4 leinsters 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
    Tom Gilhooley Offaly 3 leinsters 1971, 1972, 1973
    Eugene McGee Offaly 3 leinsters 1980, 1981, 1982
    Pat O'Neill Dublin 3 leinsters 1993, 1994, 1995
    Mick O'Dwyer Kildare Laois 3 leinsters 1998, 2000, 2003
    Pat Gilroy Dublin 3 leinsters 2009, 2011, 2012
    Tony Hanahoe Dublin 2 leinsters 1977, 1978
    Tommy Lyons Offaly Dublin 2 leinsters 1997, 2002
    Gerry McCaul Dublin 1 leinsters 1989
    Paddy Cullen Dublin 1 leinsters 1992
    Páidí Ó Sé Westmeath 1 leinsters 2004
    Éamonn O'Brien Meath 1 leinsters 2010


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Rolo2010 wrote: »
    I did. Your quotes are there. Why else would you bring up the FAI or suggest that Dublin has something to hide?

    I will ask you again. Do you have any evidence to suggest that Dublin has committed any wrongdoing? Do you have any evidence to suggest that Dublin and Bertie to defraud the public of millions of euros?

    Ok, so we've sorted that I did not make any allegations.

    We should have a look at where this all began. We have to go back to the 90's. Dublin had won an All Ireland in 1995 but then lost to Meath in 96 and 97, Kildare in 98 and Meath again in 99. Obviously, John Bailey and the Dublin County Board didn't like where this was going and pushed for funding. Bertie Ahern was in position to help them out. The 1 million of state funds per year was allocated from 2001. Including GAA money, Dublin were receiving from between 1.2 and 1.7 million per year throughout the naughties. At the same time period, some counties were only receiving 7,500 per year in games development funding with some getting just over 100,000 on some years.

    Results stayed the same in 2000 and 2001, Dublin lost to Kildare and Meath respectively. In 2002 they won Leinster for the first time in 7 years but then lost to Laois in 2003 and Westmeath in 2004. The money allocated to underage structures had been making an immediate effect as Dublin had been getting good results at minor and u21. These players would start to emerge and were added to by more and more throughout the decade. The course of history was basically changed. When Dublin were competing without the money, they were still very competitive but Leinster titles were shared amongst many counties. When the money came in, the went on to win the Leinster championship in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.

    That's just the story of the funding for the first decade.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    Sonny678 wrote: »
    The most successful team of each decade, judged by number of Leinster Senior Football Championship titles, is as follows:
    • 1880s: 1 each for Kilkenny (1888) and Laois (1889)
    • 1890s: 7 for Dublin (1891-92-94-96-97-98-99)
    • 1900s: 6 for Dublin (1901-02-04-06-07-08)
    • 1910s: 6 for Wexford (1913–14-15-16-17-18)
    • 1920s: 5 for Dublin (1920-21-22-23-24) 4 for kildare 1929 28 27 26
    • 1930s: 3 each for Kildare (1930-31-35), Dublin (1932-33-34) and Laois (1936-37-38)
    • 1940s: 3 for Meath (1940-47-49) 2 for Dublin 1941 42, 2 for Louth 1943 48
    • 1950s: 3 each for Meath (1951-52-54) Louth (1950-53-57), and Dublin (1955-58-59)
    • 1960s: 3 each for Meath (1964-66-67) Offaly (1960-61-69), Dublin (1962-63-65)
    • 1970s: 6 for Dublin (1974-75-76-77-78-79)
    • 1980s: 4 for Dublin (1983-84-85-89) 3 for Meath 86 87 88 3 for Offaly 8081 82
    • 1990s: 4 each for Meath (1990-91-96-99) and Dublin (1992-93-94-95)
    • 2000s: 6 for Dublin (2002-05-06-07-08-09)
    • 2010s: 9 for Dublin (2011-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19)
    In summary Dublin dominated 5 decades and were unsuccessful only in two decades in 1880s and 1910.

    I'm not sure what your point is?

    Nobody is denying that Dublin have been the most successful county in Leinster. The point I made was in response to the assertion:

    "They will refer back to the late 90's and early 00's and say look how competitive it was. And they're right but thats the exception. Leinster has been dominated by Dublin and Meath with other teams occasionally challenging.

    Whats happening now is one team has had a prolonged series of dominance. This does need to be addressed.

    But lets depart from the fallacy that Leinster was always some sort of competitive gem in the Provincial structure"


    As you have also now demonstrated, this is untrue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Right. I thought this was about Leinster football. Didnt think I'd stumbled into the conspiracy thread, but there ye go. Looks like Mayo got a poor return on Enda being taoiseach judging by your line.

    Got to go now. Dublin ladies kicking off now. Hoping Berties investment pays off today!!!

    It certainly has paid off already going for 5 in a row having got to their first all Ireland final in 2003.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭EICVD


    Scoundrel wrote: »
    It certainly has paid off already going for 5 in a row having got to their first all Ireland final in 2003.

    Get your facts right, it’s only 4 in row they’re going for


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    Scoundrel wrote: »
    It certainly has paid off already going for 5 in a row having got to their first all Ireland final in 2003.

    You do know that the GAA and LGFA are separate organisations? Funding is from different organisations. But hey, don't let that fact get in the way of a good story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    You do know that the GAA and LGFA are separate organisations? Funding is from different organisations. But hey, don't let that fact get in the way of a good story.

    The funding that's at the core of the discussion here is the Sport Ireland funding that began in the early 2000s and that was used to promote and develop gaelic games amongst boys and girls. But hey, don't let that fact get in the way of your story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    The funding that's at the core of the discussion here is the Sport Ireland funding that began in the early 2000s and that was used to promote and develop gaelic games amongst boys and girls. But hey, don't let that fact get in the way of your story.

    Excellent, so we now realise it is for the development of Gaelic Games at primary school level., in schools and not at club level and not funding IC. Cheers, glad you cleared that up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    Excellent, so we now realise it is for the development of Gaelic Games at primary school level., in schools and not at club level and not funding IC. Cheers, glad you cleared that up.

    :confused::confused::confused:

    When did I ever say anything else?

    It's quite simple:

    1 - Substantial amounts of money from central funds were made available to Dublin, to promote gaelic games amongst boys and girls of primary school age, attract more of them to become involved, and provide better coaching to them after they became involved. This was done via both schools and clubs.

    2 - The central funding immediately removed the need for Dublin County Board to fund any such initiative itself. This meant its own money could be spent in other areas, such as on inter-county teams.

    3 - The investment in primary school children ten to fifteen years ago (via central funds, on a scale never before or since available to any other county) is now paying off handsomely on the inter-county scene, in both men's and women's football.

    If you're really denying a link between the investment back then and the successes of today, then what you're actually saying is that the investment didn't work at all, and that therefore the money was wasted....which actually strengthens any argument that Dublin should never have got it at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    :confused::confused::confused:

    When did I ever say anything else?

    It's quite simple:

    1 - Substantial amounts of money from central funds were made available to Dublin, to promote gaelic games amongst boys and girls of primary school age, attract more of them to become involved, and provide better coaching to them after they became involved. This was done via both schools and clubs.

    2 - The central funding immediately removed the need for Dublin County Board to fund any such initiative itself. This meant its own money could be spent in other areas, such as on inter-county teams.

    3 - The investment in primary school children ten to fifteen years ago (via central funds, on a scale never before or since available to any other county) is now paying off handsomely on the inter-county scene, in both men's and women's football.

    If you're really denying a link between the investment back then and the successes of today, then what you're actually saying is that the investment didn't work at all, and that therefore the money was wasted....which actually strengthens any argument that Dublin should never have got it at all.

    There you go again, making assumptions. The monies involved were for the promotion of gaelic games in primary schools. They were not at elite athlete development. I am not sure how you measure success from it, but my guess is the numbers that were encouraged to take up gaelic games would be the best metric. Now how you measure that against which one go onto IC level we will never know. What I do know from coaching kids is that the ones who make IC level were already playing our games. The one encouraged were the ones we would as an association usually lose by way of lack of interest or following another sport.

    Would you prefer that our games were not promoted? I am all for a games development plan to enhance playing numbers in other counties. Kildare were offered funding for GDO's and turned it down. Is that the fault of the GAA?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    There you go again, making assumptions.

    Am now doubly confused, so since I used three of the emojis the last time, here I go with six:
    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

    The only thing you could possibly interpret as an assumption rather than an absolute fact in what I wrote above is where I said the investment in primary school age children ten to fifteen years ago is now feeding into the current day success.

    So again - are you really claiming there's no link whatsoever between the two? When answering, please consider that even the ones who were already playing gaelic games would have benefitted from increased levels of coaching.

    As regards promoting gaelic games in general - I've previously said that of course I'm in favour of it. I just think that if central funding is used for it, either from State sources or GAA sources, then it should be done in a fair and proportionate manner across the board, and not concentrated in any particular area.

    It's not an anti-Dublin thing. I've also previously said I'd be opposed to a suggestion by somebody else here, several pages back, that " the GAA should now concentrate on other urban areas such as Sligo, Belfast and Drogheda". What about the rest of counties Sligo, Antrim, and Louth, and every other county too?

    Even here in Wexford, I'm not fond of how the County Board makes greater coaching resources available to clubs and schools in Wexford town than they do to the rest of the county.

    Maybe I'm unusual in that I care about the Association as a whole. Far too many others only really care about their own back yard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,815 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    Kildare were offered funding for GDO's and turned it down. Is that the fault of the GAA?

    Any source for this nugget of info?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    Any source for this nugget of info?
    Post 361 in this thread from a Kildare man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    Am now doubly confused, so since I used three of the emojis the last time, here I go with six:
    :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

    The only thing you could possibly interpret as an assumption rather than an absolute fact in what I wrote above is where I said the investment in primary school age children ten to fifteen years ago is now feeding into the current day success.

    So again - are you really claiming there's no link whatsoever between the two? When answering, please consider that even the ones who were already playing gaelic games would have benefitted from increased levels of coaching.

    As regards promoting gaelic games in general - I've previously said that of course I'm in favour of it. I just think that if central funding is used for it, either from State sources or GAA sources, then it should be done in a fair and proportionate manner across the board, and not concentrated in any particular area.

    It's not an anti-Dublin thing. I've also previously said I'd be opposed to a suggestion by somebody else here, several pages back, that " the GAA should now concentrate on other urban areas such as Sligo, Belfast and Drogheda". What about the rest of counties Sligo, Antrim, and Louth, and every other county too?

    Even here in Wexford, I'm not fond of how the County Board makes greater coaching resources available to clubs and schools in Wexford town than they do to the rest of the county.

    Maybe I'm unusual in that I care about the Association as a whole. Far too many others only really care about their own back yard.

    Fair response, I am all for inclusion. We even had lads training on our pitches from country teams in small PODS of course. My lad trained on the Naomh Eanna pitches in Gorey over the summer when we were down there. My wife is a teacher and honestly the level of coaching these kids receive for maybe 1hr every few weeks is minimal. It is about developing an interest in the game, carrying bean bags on a hurl and playing games is about developing that interest. I am not trying to defend and investment previously given. This was from 2007 to 2017. It stopped then and became a level playing field. The majority of the kids getting GDO's coaching in schools were not even members of clubs.

    I really believe that kids participate because their parents bring them to clubs, not because the local clubs GDO has gone on a recruitment drive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,815 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    Post 361 in this thread from a Kildare man.

    You read this post and your takeaway was that Kildare GAA was turning down funding for games development?
    My point is the clubs in Newbridge don’t really see the benefit of a GPO that Dublin clubs would. The two clubs in newbridge have large community engagement, a large amount of volunteers and a community steeped in GAA. It’s just interwoven into the fabric of life in newbridge. So paying some outsider to teach kids the basics is not something of major value to them.

    In Dublin it’s different. It’s not as GAA centric a society. They had the kids and massive catchment areas but they hadn’t the ease at which to engage with them that is a given in places like newbridge.

    That’s why the funding of GPOs and the usefulness in doing so is an extremely complex issue and the vast majority of people, especially within the media, don’t really get it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    You read this post and your takeaway was that Kildare GAA was turning down funding for games development?

    Actually I do, If you choose to not, that is your prerogative. That and the fact that I have friends in Kildare who have said the exact same.

    Thems be the facts I'm afraid. If you choose to argue them, so be it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    That post by "Did you smash it" is a pure opinion piece and in any case, it's only talking about two clubs. There's absolutely nothing in it to suggest that "Kildare were offered funding for GDO's and turned it down."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Scoundrel wrote: »
    It certainly has paid off already going for 5 in a row having got to their first all Ireland final in 2003.

    Isn't it crazy the amount of one off great teams that Dublin have had this century? The women's footballers as you point out, their male counterparts. Dublin u21's never won an Ireland before this century but an amazing one off team was able to win All Ireland's in 2003, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017 and probably 2020. Dublin senior hurlers have never won anything since back when they had the majority of players from other counties playing for them but they won a national league and Leinster title this decade, another amazing one off team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,446 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    largepants wrote: »
    I give you Ryan O Dwyer, Declan Darcy, John Timmons, Ciaran Barr. Will I carry on?

    I'm sure you'll have an excuse for each one. You're proving very good at that.

    No excuse. It is not that I am good at it. I just know my facts. I never said it does not happen in other counties or codes. However, it is amusing how defensive Kildare people get when it is pointed out that Micko took things to extremes. Which was the whole raison d'etre of thier glory years.

    Also, using Declan Darcy shows your lack of knowledge. He is a born and bred Dublin man with Leitrim parentage. The GAA have a special parentage rule to help Leitrim and other weaker counties.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20142430.html

    https://punditarena.com/gaa/mcorry/connell-believes-more-counties-should-take-advantage-of-parentage-rule/

    I believe now de facto weak football counties like Kildare and Meath should avail of such a rule. They need all the help they can get. Plus maybe Jim Gavin as Meath manager? As a missionary GAA project to spread the gospel?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,446 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Enquiring wrote: »
    Isn't it crazy the amount of one off great teams that Dublin have had this century? The women's footballers as you point out, their male counterparts. Dublin u21's never won an Ireland before this century but an amazing one off team was able to win All Ireland's in 2003, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2017 and probably 2020. Dublin senior hurlers have never won anything since back when they had the majority of players from other counties playing for them but they won a national league and Leinster title this decade, another amazing one off team.

    The Dublin u21's footballers did not compete at that level for gaps of over decades. So that is completely different complexion on your statement straight away.

    The Dublin hurling revival started 20 years ago. A final appearance in 00 and 04. Winning in 05 (which I witnessed in CP).
    Dublin hurling was also help by country players and managers.
    However, since 2013 Dublin have gone backwards in hurling since those players and managers left. Despite all thier supposed advantages.

    I feel those with football expertise should be encouraged to get involved in other counties in Leinster. Players and management. As country lads have done with the Dublin hurlers/players and management.
    Dublin football is where the know is and other counties in Dublin's geographical proximity should tap into it more.

    Parentage rule and so on.

    The current Dublin football team has been backboned by an exceptional Ballymun team since 2011. Also an exceptional keeper in Cluxton from Parnell's. Integral to Dublin's tactics.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    No excuse. It is not that I am good at it. I just know my facts. I never said it does not happen in other counties or codes. However, it is amusing how defensive Kildare people get when it is pointed out that Micko took things to extremes. Which was the whole raison d'etre of thier glory years.

    Also, using Declan Darcy shows your lack of knowledge. He is a born and bred Dublin man with Leitrim parentage. The GAA have a special parentage rule to help Leitrim and other weaker counties.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20142430.html

    https://punditarena.com/gaa/mcorry/connell-believes-more-counties-should-take-advantage-of-parentage-rule/

    I believe now de facto weak football counties like Kildare and Meath should avail of such a rule. They need all the help they can get. Plus maybe Jim Gavin as Meath manager? As a missionary GAA project to spread the gospel?

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/setbacks-galore-but-brian-murphy-is-no-quitter-26248230.html
    Around the same time he started working for Dawn Farm foods in Naas. The Kildare connection was made. Three years later, he was 'discovered' playing inter-factory football by Kildare selector, Pat McCarthy.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/lacey-overcomes-bloodline-to-gallop-into-cynics-hearts-1.197490
    He recites the story like a hurried kid reciting a prayer. Working in Dublin for two years . . . travelling to Tipp was getting too tough . . . joined Round Towers in Kildare as a base for training . . . Glen Ryan said to come out for Kildare . . . here I am.

    No defensiveness on my part. Just calling out bull****.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,446 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm



    So Karl O'Dywer just happened to follow his auld lad from Kerry and get a job there after he left the Kerry panel? And Thomas Walsh just happened to follow Micko from Carlow to Wicklow?

    You can dress it up which ever way you wish. But Micko was like a light to a moth.

    To either:

    1) Get imports to move to Kildare or Laois/Wicklow

    2) Get imports already there to want to play for the county.

    I feel all Leinster counties should do this. High profile managers attract them in enthuse the imports already there. Plus take advantage of the GAA parentage rule. Why not? They need help. Expertise. Skilful players.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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