The Leinster Championship is dead.

Fann Linn · 28-11-2020 05:55PM

Enquiring wrote: »

Any reason why they won't release their accounts? Anything to hide?

Are ye saying they're not complying?

Enquiring · 28-11-2020 06:01PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Are ye saying they're not complying?

I'm asking why they refuse to release their accounts.

ArielAtom · 28-11-2020 06:08PM

Enquiring wrote: »

What accusations? I'm saying this deserves investigation. Look at the characters involved and the amount of money that has been taken for this scheme. Millions of taxpayers money I might add. I think it'd be of public interest.

You have stated Murky and characters involved and deserves investigation. On what grounds? If you have evidence or want to let us all know what you mean. We are all ears.

Rolo2010 · 28-11-2020 06:11PM

Enquiring wrote: »

I'm asking why they refuse to release their accounts.

Stop clogging up the thread with accusations of corruption unless you can provide proof to suggest there was or is wrongdoing.

Enquiring · 28-11-2020 06:15PM

ArielAtom wrote: »

You have stated Murky and characters involved and deserves investigation. On what grounds? If you have evidence or want to let us all know what you mean. We are all ears.

On grounds that millions of taxpayers money is involved here and the Dublin County Board won't release their accounts. It could be all above board but lessons should be learned from the whole FAI debacle. Organisations shouldn't be allowed to keep accounts secret when public money is involved.

Enquiring · 28-11-2020 06:17PM

Rolo2010 wrote: »

Stop clogging up the thread with accusations of corruption unless you can provide proof to suggest there was or is wrongdoing.

What accusations? What's wrong with a bit of transparency?

Rolo2010 · 28-11-2020 06:21PM

Enquiring wrote: »

What accusations? What's wrong with a bit of transparency?

You are suggesting that a county board has been engaged in an attempt with past politicians to defraud the public. Provide some proof to show this may be true instead of putting it back on Dublin and calling for them to release their accounts. The GAA, AGS, and Revenue don't suspect any wrongdoing or we would have heard something about it considering how leaky the Gov and Civil Service is.

Enquiring · 28-11-2020 06:29PM

Rolo2010 wrote: »

You are suggesting that a county board has been engaged in an attempt with past politicians to defraud the public. Provide some proof to show this may be true instead of putting it back on Dublin and calling for them to release their accounts. The GAA, AGS, and Revenue don't suspect any wrongdoing or we would have heard something about it considering how leaky the Gov and Civil Service is.

I haven't suggested that. I've suggested that an investigation should be done. Remember recent events with the FAI? Revenue, AGS etc didn't suspect any wrongdoing, did they? I'm just saying, having secret accounts shouldn't be welcomed, I think everyone can agree with that?

Hammer Archer · 28-11-2020 06:33PM

Mod: Drop the accusations of possible illegality now. There is absolutely no evidence of this.

Rolo2010 · 28-11-2020 06:33PM

Enquiring wrote: »

I haven't suggested that. I've suggested that an investigation should be done. Remember recent events with the FAI? Revenue, AGS etc didn't suspect any wrongdoing, did they? I'm just saying, having secret accounts shouldn't be welcomed, I think everyone can agree with that?

I don't agree. Dublin doesn't have a John Delaney. You keep asking for an investigation but haven't laid exactly why it should be done nor provided any proof which suggests any wrongdoing. It was the opposite with the FAI.

Enquiring · 28-11-2020 07:15PM

Rolo2010 wrote: »

I don't agree. Dublin doesn't have a John Delaney. You keep asking for an investigation but haven't laid exactly why it should be done nor provided any proof which suggests any wrongdoing. It was the opposite with the FAI.

I think we're all agreed that the Dublin County Board should release their accounts. But anyway, moving on. Did Dublin receive money from the GAA again this year? The full Games Development amount?

Rolo2010 · 28-11-2020 07:47PM

Enquiring wrote: »

I think we're all agreed that the Dublin County Board should release their accounts. But anyway, moving on. Did Dublin receive money from the GAA again this year? The full Games Development amount?

They shouldn't have to release their accounts unless there were suspected of wrongdoing. That is not the case and you haven't provided evidence to suggest otherwise.

Yes, they did recieve money again. They will always receive money from the games development fund. Over 80% of the fund goes to other counties. The lastest figures came from an RTE article in 2019. They got 14% in 2017 and 22% in 2018.

Strumms · 28-11-2020 07:50PM

Enquiring wrote: »

What accusations? What's wrong with a bit of transparency?

Can you provide a link to the accounts of any other county ? Thanks.

If you are all for accountability and transparency in the ‘sport’... why are you not determined to see every county accounts, see every county be equally transparent....see it across the board, why do you just want Dublin’s accounts ?

Cilldara_2000 · 28-11-2020 08:25PM

Rolo2010 wrote: »

They shouldn't have to release their accounts unless there were suspected of wrongdoing. That is not the case and you haven't provided evidence to suggest otherwise.

Yes, they did recieve money again. They will always receive money from the games development fund. Over 80% of the fund goes to other counties. The lastest figures came from an RTE article in 2019. They got 14% in 2017 and 22% in 2018.

I'm not alleging any misdeeds but I disagree with this. They absolutely should publish their accounts as should every county board. But as far as I am aware there's never any secrecy around the Kildare accounts anyway and most other counties.

Did you smash it · 28-11-2020 08:30PM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

I'm not alleging any misdeeds but I disagree with this. They absolutely should publish their accounts as should every county board. But as far as I am aware there's never any secrecy around the Kildare accounts anyway and most other counties.

Dublin’s accounts are extremely well guarded but almost all major counties including kildare’s are hard to find.

Rock77 · 28-11-2020 08:36PM

Strumms wrote: »

Can you provide a link to the accounts of any other county ? Thanks.

If you are all for accountability and transparency in the ‘sport’... why are you not determined to see every county accounts, see every county be equally transparent....see it across the board, why do you just want Dublin’s accounts ?

I totally agree that all counties accounts should be made available however I would presume the interest in the Dublin accounts is because they received and continue to receive way more money than anyone else.

RoyalCelt · 28-11-2020 08:42PM

Rock77 wrote: »

I totally agree that all counties accounts should be made available however I would presume the interest in the Dublin accounts is because they received and continue to receive way more money than anyone else.

Last I see a few years ago they'd something like 7 million in spare cash lying around. Not only could they fund themselves, they could fund a few others while they're at it.

Enquiring · 28-11-2020 08:44PM

Rolo2010 wrote: »

They shouldn't have to release their accounts unless there were suspected of wrongdoing. That is not the case and you haven't provided evidence to suggest otherwise.

Yes, they did recieve money again. They will always receive money from the games development fund. Over 80% of the fund goes to other counties. The lastest figures came from an RTE article in 2019. They got 14% in 2017 and 22% in 2018.

Do organisations only release their accounts if there's suspected wrongdoing?

Why did they receive the money when the majority of the season was written off? Did the funds just begin in 2019? What percent of the funds have Dublin received since the turn of the century?

Enquiring · 28-11-2020 09:03PM

Strumms wrote: »

Can you provide a link to the accounts of any other county ? Thanks.

If you are all for accountability and transparency in the ‘sport’... why are you not determined to see every county accounts, see every county be equally transparent....see it across the board, why do you just want Dublin’s accounts ?

Of course, there should be transparency across the board, why shouldn't there be?

Rolo2010 · 28-11-2020 09:06PM

Enquiring wrote: »

Do organisations only release their accounts if there's suspected wrongdoing?

Why did they receive the money when the majority of the season was written off? Did the funds just begin in 2019? What percent of the funds have Dublin received since the turn of the century?

Do you have any evidence for you claim? You've been asked several times. Why aren't you interested in seeing other county board accounts. Galway were in some bother a few years back.

What season? Every county receives games development funding. This year will be different but those figures haven't been released. Dublin received 18 million between 2007 and 2018 or roughly 1.63 million a year.

This thread has just descended into baseless accusations.

Strumms · 28-11-2020 09:15PM

Enquiring wrote: »

Of course, there should be transparency across the board, why shouldn't there be?

Well, you should be calling for change to enable every account in every county to be public and transparent... but actually, no, you only asked for Dublin’s

For the record, there is no obligation on complete transparency. But Dublin DO publish their numbers. Google is your friend.

Enquiring · 28-11-2020 09:16PM

Rolo2010 wrote: »

Do you have any evidence for you claim? You've been asked several times. Why aren't you interested in seeing other county board accounts. Galway were in some bother a few years back.

What season? Every county receives games development funding. This year will be different but those figures haven't been released. Dublin received 18 million between 2007 and 2018 or roughly 1.63 million a year.

This thread has just descended into baseless accusations.

What claim? I've already stated that every county should release their accounts, only Dublin fans are saying that they shouldn't.

Will this year be different or will Dublin get their full amount? They received over 20m from 2005-2018, the next highest in that time period was 1.6m.

What baseless accusations?

Enquiring · 28-11-2020 09:20PM

Strumms wrote: »

Well, you should be calling for change to enable every account in every county to be public and transparent... but actually, no, you only asked for Dublin’s

For the record, there is no obligation on complete transparency. But Dublin DO publish their numbers. Google is your friend.

Dublin don't publish their accounts. The reason I'm interested in Dublin's is because they have received huge sums which has completely changed the landscape of our association and not for the better.

Rolo2010 · 28-11-2020 09:22PM

Enquiring wrote: »

What claim? I've already stated that every county should release their accounts, only Dublin fans are saying that they shouldn't.

Will this year be different or will Dublin get their full amount? They received over 20m from 2005-2018, the next highest in that time period was 1.6m.

What baseless accusations?

You only said that when prompted by other users. You were only asking for Dublin's accounts up until that point and still haven't provided a good reason for why. What full amount are you referring to? Are you suggesting that the GAA will not decrease funding for Dublin?

On grounds that millions of taxpayers money is involved here and the Dublin County Board won't release their accounts. It could be all above board but lessons should be learned from the whole FAI debacle. Organisations shouldn't be allowed to keep accounts secret when public money is involved.

Any reason why they won't release their accounts? Anything to hide?

One thing that can't be ignored is that it's not just one area of Dublin GAA that has improved. Their senior footballers have obviously dominated but so have their female counterparts. Also, their underage results have changed dramatically and their club teams. This shows the effect the money has had across the board.

It seems to be gathering huge momentum now. Soon enough the mainstream media will have to start discussing it and splitting Dublin will come into serious consideration. There probably will be a need to have an investigation into the origins of the funding. Was it all above board? Bertie Ahern and Maria Bailey's father were involved. And with the Dublin County Boards refusal to release their accounts, it all seems very murky.

Some of your previous comments. Once again, I'm asking you to provide proof for any of the above. Your reference to the FAI suggest you believe something illegal has happened.

Enquiring · 28-11-2020 09:40PM

Rolo2010 wrote: »

You only said that when prompted by other users. You were only asking for Dublin's accounts up until that point and still haven't provided a good reason for why. What full amount are you referring to? Are you suggesting that the GAA will not decrease funding for Dublin?

Some of your previous comments. Once again, I'm asking you to provide proof for any of the above. Your reference to the FAI suggest you believe something illegal has happened.

This thread is about the Leinster football championship being dead and the reasons for it. That's why Dublin's accounts would be a topic of conversation here. The funding pays for coaches, I don't see that being reduced this year. Team expenses will be interesting this year for sure.

You continue to claim I've made accusations but haven't been able to back that up.

Rolo2010 · 28-11-2020 09:45PM

Enquiring wrote: »

This thread is about the Leinster football championship being dead and the reasons for it. That's why Dublin's accounts would be a topic of conversation here. The funding pays for coaches, I don't see that being reduced this year. Team expenses will be interesting this year for sure.

You continue to claim I've made accusations but haven't been able to back that up.

I posted your comments where you kept mentioned Dublin and implying that it wasn't above board. Do you have any evidence to suggest that is true? You've gone beyond just discussing the level of funding from the GAA which was legal.

Do you believe the GAA will not cut funding for Dublin this year but do it for other counties?

Strumms · 28-11-2020 09:59PM

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin don't publish their accounts. The reason I'm interested in Dublin's is because they have received huge sums which has completely changed the landscape of our association and not for the better.

Dublin simply have a significantly higher population, more players, more clubs therefore more funding is necessary. It’s not rocket science.

Between 2007 and 2018 there was a difference in around 800,000 euros, between what Cork were awarded, and what Fermanagh were awarded...

Should Fermanagh get to complain about that ? Ignoring playing populations, number of clubs etc... should every county just be awarded an equal share of the funds...? It would be foolish to suggest that they should...

If a county say ‘A’ has 12 clubs, 72 teams across all age groups and genders... circa 2200 players... across the county

Is it fair the they receive the SAME funding as a county ‘B’ with 30 clubs say... 180 teams ? It’s not. The greater share of the funding goes to help the county with more clubs, teams and 6500 players...it SHOULD.

That’s why Cork get more than Louth and Kerry get more than Laois, Dublin get more than, everybody because there are a huge number of clubs and participants... underage to senior to masters... football, hurling, camogie, handball... simple economics based on the playing population...

Dublin get a lot more money but it needs to go a hell of a ways further...

StupidLikeAFox · 28-11-2020 10:04PM

I don't think there was anything fraudulent but Bertie Ahern did do a deal to pump millions into Dublin GAA if I recall correctly. Probably nothing illegal in it as he spoke about it on public record. Not very ethical for a public official to use public money to favour their own sports team though imo

The Lost Sheep · 28-11-2020 10:06PM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

I don't think there was anything fraudulent but Bertie Ahern did do a deal to pump millions into Dublin GAA if I recall correctly. Probably nothing illegal in it as he spoke about it on public record. Not very ethical for a public official to use public money to favour their own sports team though imo

Nothing fraudulent or illegal. Look at any distribution of sports capital funding going back decade plus and look at the amount of funding that went to groups in constituency of sports minister/key ministers at the time...

StupidLikeAFox · 28-11-2020 10:11PM

Strumms wrote: »

Dublin simply have a significantly higher population, more players, more clubs therefore more funding is necessary. It’s not rocket science.

Cork county has a population of around 500k, Dublin has a population of around 1.3m. Cork have the most amount of GAA clubs with 259, almost twice that of Dubin (134)

Between 2007 and 2018, Dublin received almost €18m in coaching/game development grants directly from Croke Park. Cork are second with €1.4m

Not rocket science indeed.

The Leinster Championship is dead.

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