Possible to get L1a1 or FAL?

BattleCorp · 20-11-2020 3:23pm

tudderone wrote: »

I don't know what you are blathering on about, i suggested it might just as much fun, easier and cost a lot less to start off shooting service rifle with a Lee Enfield No.4. I've been through the restricted thing three times, and never again, it was a nightmare. I wouldn't bother dealing with the guards again unless i had a solicitor with me.

I've three restricted firearms and never had any issue getting them licenced. Maybe I was lucky, but I found the Gardai quite reasonable.

I provided written reasons why I needed the firarms etc. and I was never even called to a meeting. I was questioned over the phone about one of the guns but they were questions about why I wanted x number of rounds and why I wanted to use one of the guns for both target shooting and hunting. I also had the CPO out to inspect my security system for each firearm but I didn't mind that as everything was as it should be at my end.

jb88 · 20-11-2020 3:25pm

tudderone wrote: »

I don't know what you are blathering on about, i suggested it might just as much fun, easier and cost a lot less to start off shooting service rifle with a Lee Enfield No.4. I've been through the restricted thing three times, and never again, it was a nightmare. I wouldn't bother dealing with the guards again unless i had a solicitor with me.

Do you hear me moaning about licencing difficulties . (No)
You obviously didnt have a fun time with it or want it bad enough to stick with it.

Those are your problems, and yours alone to resolve. This isnt the topic

The above information I provided is for Semi Auto Service rifle, which is whats required and available for those who want to listen, read and learn.

Who mentioned anything about "easy", or "cost".

I dont think you have read my other post. thats ok. "How to get a licence for a Restricted Rifle",

Cass · 20-11-2020 3:47pm

Brontosaurus wrote: »

What would be considered a "good reason" for a SA CF that your typical super would accept?

In my case i had a meeting with my Chief Super who was inquisitive, asked decent questions, was not predisposed in his thoughts, but more importantly was willing to listen and discuss the situation. When i explained i wanted mine for dual purposes (target shooting and hunting) i then outlined my reasons the most important of which was the cost of having two rifles, two licenses, etc. and running each firearm for separate purposes as opposed to the dual ability of the semi auto.

Other reasons i gave included the variety of shooting i could do, my age, my shooting history, and my many years of membership to both ranges and shooting clubs.

Got it without any problems.

What competitions available in the ROI for such a rifle?

It depends on what you go for in terms of rifle. I won't pretend to know them because i don't, as i'm not permitted to shoot in 99% of them, given my rifle and its caliber. Some organisations allow only certain types of firearms which means my rifle cannot be used in the majority of shooting so the Bullseye lads took it upon themselves to introduce a discipline that catered for any rifle.

BTW contrary to popular belief competition attendance is not a prerequisite for owning a firearm. AGS can ask for range attendance if you cite target shooting as the reason of one of the reasons for a semi auto, but they cannot make getting the license dependent on how many comps you entered/attended.

As bad as the legislation and licensing process is, it doesn't help that the shooting community doesn't do more to have more competitions using a wider variety of firearms and to try to actually grow such competitions and get new blood into the sport in general...

I tend to agree. I do understand how difficult it can be to keep everyone happy and there will always be some that are left out, but even informal shoots could easily be held on a monthly basis.

As i mentioned above some organisation run competition that cater only to a specific type of firearm which precludes most others. I understand the need for rules in some situations, but banning a caliber from a competition is annoying as it reduces someone's ability to enter them.

For example my rifle is 223 which means i was told i could not enter certain competitions, which i still don't understand. So when making a choice on which caliber you want to go for make sure to check out what events, competitions, etc. you will actually be able to shoot in, otherwise you've bought yourself a, albeit fun, plinker.

Grizzly 45 · 20-11-2020 3:59pm

jb88 wrote: »

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A Semi auto service rifle with any accuracy is a 16 to 17lb rifle which you have to use standing,sitting and prone with a sling, using a 4x powered scope, the skills have to be learned and it takes practice and time.

Oh if its a .308 that weight goes up to 25 to 26lbs. Ever held a rifle that weight before its interesting.

Are you shooting a Bren gun or a 1918 BAR :eek::eek:
Either that or you have a Hell of a lot of bolted on junk on the poor rifle.:D:D

The Bren comes in at 22lbs at mk 1 and 2
the BAR 1918 comes in at a few ounces shy of 16 lbs

Most come in at around with a loaded mag at appx 10.7 lbs and that's the Springfield M14.
The FAL 50 [Heavy barrel bipod squad automatic rifle design] comes in at 13lbs loaded. Those are the 2 heaviest out there in a civilian configuration.

tudderone · 20-11-2020 4:09pm

jb88 wrote: »

Do you hear me moaning about licencing difficulties . (No)
You obviously didnt have a fun time with it or want it bad enough to stick with it.

Those are your problems, and yours alone to resolve. This isnt the topic

The above information I provided is for Semi Auto Service rifle, which is whats required and available for those who want to listen, read and learn.

Who mentioned anything about "easy", or "cost".

I dont think you have read my other post. thats ok. "How to get a licence for a Restricted Rifle",

Yeah, i bought a sig sauer x5 brand new from the factory, 2.5 k's worth with all the extras, shot it for years and then had my licence renewal refused. After being insulted up to the eyeballs by a chief super who had so many skeletons in his particular cupboard he was forced to retire, i was told they would give me a licence for it, after i'd wasted my money in court :rolleyes:.

There is a difference between easy, a bit of a drudge and an absolute waking nightmare.

But why shouldn't it be easy ? Its seems some garda districts, supers and chief supers use the application process as some sort of trial. Completely unprofessional, but than again this is Ireland.

Grizzly 45 · 20-11-2020 4:25pm

There was nothing easy for me in getting mine.
I won't go into it here, been there enough times here on boards. But suffice to say it was 3 dist court cases worth back in the twenty oughts and teens.One is one of the first with costs awarded against the Gardai in Limerick.

I'm in one of the evidence videos at An Riocht for one of the Limerick Dist court applications to prove the Irish version of service rifle was not a dynamic shooting event, attended by the then Limerick Cheif CS Sheehan, Insp Brookes and his understudy at the time Sgt Green.

So , yeah I've seen, as have plenty of others of the old guard, this sorry story from start to finish of semi rifle licensing in Ireland.

It can be done...BUT you have to work for it, and you have to be willing to step up to the plate and bat if it looks like you need to let a dist court judge decide on it. That is NOT a cheap option, and going to court is never a sure thing on outcome or costs. It certainly was not easy for me and I was putting a lot on the line finance wise. But sometimes you have to step up in life for what you believe is right....[Thats just me BTW]

So yeah as I'd say to anyone.Go for it! But be also aware that you have a Damoclean sword over you in the legislation as it stands with the possibility of losing your expensive rifle minus state compensation which may or may not ever happen too....Just so you know the possible negative point.

Grizzly 45 · 20-11-2020 4:37pm

tudderone wrote: »

Yeah, i bought a sig sauer x5 brand new from the factory, 2.5 k's worth with all the extras, shot it for years and then had my licence renewal refused. After being insulted up to the eyeballs by a chief super who had so many skeletons in his particular cupboard he was forced to retire, i was told they would give me a licence for it, after i'd wasted my money in court :rolleyes:.

There is a difference between easy, a bit of a drudge and an absolute waking nightmare.

But why shouldn't it be easy? Its seems some garda districts, supers and chief supers use the application process as some sort of trial. Completely unprofessional, but then again this is Ireland.

Hope you did take the license off them after all that and demanded a silencer,NV and anything else on it as well for your pains.:mad: Horrible that we have to deal with such unprofessional Dik heads like that with concrete between the ears to balance the brass on the shoulders.
That was ONE reason I decided to go full out Nuke in my case, as I ended up with a chief like that too. But then again he managed to pee off two formidable Kerrymen of an Riocht fame,a Kerry Dist court judge, and a bunch of lads in Limerick with his arrogance and manner, obligingly he hung himself in the witness box under oath,so he thankfully retired soon after as well.

tudderone · 20-11-2020 4:37pm

The law of the land is there for everyone, including the police. You are not absolved from obeying the law, or above the law because you pull on a blue uniform in the morning. The Dail draws up a law, on say licencing a semi-auto centrefire rifle. If it requires you be in a registered gunclub with suitable facilities, have a decent home security set up and have a valid reason, which is either hunting or target shooting, and you meet those criteria, then you should get your cert.

But we still hear ****e like "Oh the super in my district doesn't like sound moderators, so won't grant a licence for them", "if you want it be prepared to go to court for it".

Grizzly 45 · 20-11-2020 4:52pm

I put it down to the simple fact as a people we "don't like to make a fuss".
It's why we tolerate shoddy service and have a now inbred fear of speaking up for ourselves, that we are slowly shaking off as a society.

As a lot of us are middle-aged shooters, many of us grew up under the boots of an omnipotent state, church and society, where you didn't dare question authority of the pillars of Irish society . Now that we are seeing that our gods are made of clay, we are being less afraid of people like AGS and their attitudes. but for some, it is still a big step to challenge authority so they will rather forget about it or just accept meekly some BS handed to us, even when it is disguised as "Covid regulations".

meathstevie · 20-11-2020 5:33pm

tudderone wrote: »

The law of the land is there for everyone, including the police. You are not absolved from obeying the law, or above the law because you pull on a blue uniform in the morning. The Dail draws up a law, on say licencing a semi-auto centrefire rifle. If it requires you be in a registered gunclub with suitable facilities, have a decent home security set up and have a valid reason, which is either hunting or target shooting, and you meet those criteria, then you should get your cert.

But we still hear ****e like "Oh the super in my district doesn't like sound moderators, so won't grant a licence for them", "if you want it be prepared to go to court for it".

The art of respectfully disagreeing and challenging incorrect decisions by those in authority is an art that’s only being learnt here I think. For too long people have confused position and title with infallibility.

tudderone · 20-11-2020 6:33pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I put it down to the simple fact as a people we "don't like to make a fuss".
It's why we tolerate shoddy service and have a now inbred fear of speaking up for ourselves, that we are slowly shaking off as a society.

As a lot of us are middle-aged shooters, many of us grew up under the boots of an omnipotent state, church and society, where you didn't dare question authority of the pillars of Irish society . Now that we are seeing that our gods are made of clay, we are being less afraid of people like AGS and their attitudes. but for some, it is still a big step to challenge authority so they will rather forget about it or just accept meekly some BS handed to us, even when it is disguised as "Covid regulations".

If the guards gave the criminal scum of this little country as much trouble as they do shooters and motorists, and in such ingenious ways, we'd all be better off. I won't be holding my breath.

Bagpipe · 21-11-2020 11:13pm

I mean personally i wouldn't go very far in challenging AGS unless it was completely justified because you never know how someone could react to "being made a fool of" regardless of their position.

tudderone · 21-11-2020 11:17pm

Bagpipe wrote: »

I mean personally i wouldn't go very far in challenging AGS unless it was completely justified because you never know how someone could react to "being made a fool of" regardless of their position.

Thats the old attitude and probably justified years ago when they would target you if you crossed them. "They'll get you for a baldy tyre", was what the oul fella used to be saying to me.

Bagpipe · 21-11-2020 11:33pm

tudderone wrote: »

Thats the old attitude and probably justified years ago when they would target you if you crossed them. "They'll get you for a baldy tyre", was what the oul fella used to be saying to me.

I'm too young to even fear being targeted:D

Say for this FAL/L1a1 situation, hypothetically speaking, would the following be a valid reason:

Requiring this semi automatic rifle to hunt, control vermin and compete in service rifle competitions. (As i cannot hunt with a .223 and i cannot compete in the SRCs.) And of course already having membership to the range and the hunting license before sending in the application.

Grizzly 45 · 22-11-2020 2:39am

tudderone wrote: »

Thats the old attitude and probably justified years ago when they would target you if you crossed them. "They'll get you for a baldy tyre", was what the oul fella used to be saying to me.

Kind of went out of style once Frank Mc Bearty had his day in court with them.

BattleCorp · 23-11-2020 9:34pm

Bagpipe wrote: »

Say for this FAL/L1a1 situation, hypothetically speaking, would the following be a valid reason:

Requiring this semi automatic rifle to hunt, control vermin and compete in service rifle competitions. (As i cannot hunt with a .223 and i cannot compete in the SRCs.) And of course already having membership to the range and the hunting license before sending in the application.

Hunting and vermin control can be done with a non-restricted firearm so that wouldn't be your primary reason for wanting the firearm. You need the restricted firearm to take part in target shooting such as the service rifle competitions. It's just an added bonus if you can use it for hunting/vermin control too.

By the way, you mentioned a hunting licence. Do you mean a deer hunting licence? I'm open to correction here but I don't think you can hunt deer with a .223. I wouldn't swear my life on it but I think that's the case.

But 100%, if you want it for target shooting, you must have a range membership before you apply for the firearm.

Bagpipe · 23-11-2020 10:11pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Hunting and vermin control can be done with a non-restricted firearm so that wouldn't be your primary reason for wanting the firearm. You need the restricted firearm to take part in target shooting such as the service rifle competitions. It's just an added bonus if you can use it for hunting/vermin control too.

By the way, you mentioned a hunting licence. Do you mean a deer hunting licence? I'm open to correction here but I don't think you can hunt deer with a .223. I wouldn't swear my life on it but I think that's the case.

But 100%, if you want it for target shooting, you must have a range membership before you apply for the firearm.

I have a .223 and i meant i cannot hunt deer using it, thats why it would be another added bonus of this rifle?

Munsterlad102 · 23-11-2020 10:39pm

Bagpipe wrote: »

I have a .223 and i meant i cannot hunt deer using it, thats why it would be another added bonus of this rifle?

Well then you should be fairly sorted in the line of good reason then. Next step is just to see what the chief super says, also just a thought, if you look up some legislation that would disprove any point they might raise. Joining a military rifle collection club might be a good thought too.

Grizzly 45 · 23-11-2020 11:05pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Joining a military rifle collection club might be a good thought too.

If we had such a thing that was active, and whose members didn't consider the evolution of arms post the bolt action around 1918 as the Devils work.:p

Hunting and vermin control can be done with a non-restricted firearm so that wouldn't be your primary reason for wanting the firearm. You need the restricted firearm to take part in target shooting such as the service rifle competitions. It's just an added bonus if you can use it for hunting/vermin control too

I put that down as my first reason and target shooting second on 1st application. Bonus if your hunting ground is either dense forestry or heavy brush, and you have a culling programme with the farmer to control a pest species, where you need a fast follow up shot.

tudderone · 23-11-2020 11:36pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If we had such a thing that was active, and whose members didn't consider the evolution of arms post the bolt action around 1918 as the Devils work.:p

And watching "Forgotten weapons" on Youtube has proved them right dag nabbit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MlphoHT9nE

Bagpipe · 24-11-2020 1:22am

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Well then you should be fairly sorted in the line of good reason then. Next step is just to see what the chief super says, also just a thought, if you look up some legislation that would disprove any point they might raise. Joining a military rifle collection club might be a good thought too.

I'll do some further legislation research over the holidays for sure.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If we had such a thing that was active, and whose members didn't consider the evolution of arms post the bolt action around 1918 as the Devils work.:p

I put that down as my first reason and target shooting second on 1st application. Bonus if your hunting ground is either dense forestry or heavy brush, and you have a culling programme with the farmer to control a pest species, where you need a fast follow up shot.

I do have a friend who is also a tillage farmer who has issues with rabbits but somehow i think a 10/22 would be more suited to rapid fire rabbit culling. God only knows how quick id get a call from the ASU if i was rapid firing an FAL

The large fox population are also known in the area to kill a lot of lambs during the lambing season and they usually (as unusual as it is)come out in force, so that may be another justification?

Grizzly 45 · 25-11-2020 2:02am

Two words...Feral Goats.;)

jb88 · 25-11-2020 12:26pm

Best not to confuse the issue, if your applying for a semi auto restricted firearm is for Target shooting primarily otherwise there is good justification in a bolt action alternative, but before all this. Go to a range and enter some competitions and build up some experience with bolt action shooting of service rifle. Show justification, show need and afterwards show usage.

Use those 3 and you wont have problems, also showboating guys tend to be found out. Have a shooting CV of competitions entered and placings is a start.

If you want undue hastle, great expense in upkeep. Finding a dealer to import it or import it yourself as well as the licence application and dealing with the Chief, then best of luck. Go prepared or be prepared to fail.
You need to tick a lot of boxes depending on the district you are in. There is a reason why it is difficult and time consuming and its not for everyone so if its to impress a few mates at the club. Then I would steer well clear,

The guy you saw with this firearm spent the guts of 10 years trying to get that particular item so that L1 a1 is not an easy item, and I wont even begin to describe the hastle he had with getting it licenced.

Believe me its too difficult for any mortal on this forum. Just take my word for it. And it was already in the country when he applied for it.

Anyone wanting one now, would have to apply and buy direct overseas and import it to a Dealer.
Ive done this several times and its always a pain in the backside. Ive completed two since June and without the connections forget about it.

But hey you guys know lots, prove me wrong???

tudderone · 25-11-2020 12:52pm

jb88 wrote: »

Best not to confuse the issue, if your applying for a semi auto restricted firearm is for Target shooting primarily otherwise there is good justification in a bolt action alternative, but before all this. Go to a range and enter some competitions and build up some experience with bolt action shooting of service rifle. Show justification, show need and afterwards show usage.

Use those 3 and you wont have problems, also showboating guys tend to be found out. Have a shooting CV of competitions entered and placings is a start.

If you want undue hastle, great expense in upkeep. Finding a dealer to import it or import it yourself as well as the licence application and dealing with the Chief, then best of luck. Go prepared or be prepared to fail.
You need to tick a lot of boxes depending on the district you are in. There is a reason why it is difficult and time consuming and its not for everyone so if its to impress a few mates at the club. Then I would steer well clear,

The guy you saw with this firearm spent the guts of 10 years trying to get that particular item so that L1 a1 is not an easy item, and I wont even begin to describe the hastle he had with getting it licenced.

Believe me its too difficult for any mortal on this forum. Just take my word for it. And it was already in the country when he applied for it.

Anyone wanting one now, would have to apply and buy direct overseas and import it to a Dealer.
Ive done this several times and its always a pain in the backside. Ive completed two since June and without the connections forget about it.

But hey you guys know lots, prove me wrong???

Careful now, i suggested he start off with a Lee Enfield, available for 500-700 euros anywhere or easily imported, and easily (relatively) licencable, get some range time under his belt, have fun for not a lot of money, and i was shot down :rolleyes:

Most dealers i know will not import anything difficult to licence unless you pay for it completely up front. I know several guys who were refused restricted licences and wound up with an expensive rifle in the dealers they could not use, and no one else wanted to buy. To export it again to somewhere it could be sold costs you too.

Get started with something non-restricted and move up to the FAL after a few years.

Grizzly 45 · 25-11-2020 2:23pm

If you want it just from the aesthetics POV then I'd try and get one in a straight pull. Despite its "looks" it is just a[awkward] bolt action and an unrestricted rifle,[with no EU mag capacity ban either.]
If you discover the design is not for you, you have a better and easier chance of passing it on because of its category.
You have then a better reason to go restricted on the same design after a while, as you want to shoot service rifle in semi-auto here.

IF things are inevitable, not going to be anyway any friendlier to SA's here. You could also look at converting it to a lever release or MARS action. Which was designed specifically NOT to be semi-auto, and I have a funny feeling if Comrade Biden gets in the Oval Office, will become a quite popular design in the US all of a sudden.:(

tudderone · 25-11-2020 3:05pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If you want it just from the aesthetics POV then I'd try and get one in a straight pull. Despite its "looks" it is just a[awkward] bolt action and an unrestricted rifle,[with no EU mag capacity ban either.]
If you discover the design is not for you, you have a better and easier chance of passing it on because of its category.
You have then a better reason to go restricted on the same design after a while, as you want to shoot service rifle in semi-auto here.

IF things are inevitable, not going to be anyway any friendlier to SA's here. You could also look at converting it to a lever release or MARS action. Which was designed specifically NOT to be semi-auto, and I have a funny feeling if Comrade Biden gets in the Oval Office, will become a quite popular design in the US all of a sudden.:(

He wants to make all semi-auto rifles and magazines over 10 rounds (sound familiar :rolleyes:) under the national firearms act, which means they have to have a tax stamp at $200 and waiting time. If that happens i fully expect to see a second civil war.

Munsterlad102 · 25-11-2020 5:41pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If you want it just from the aesthetics POV then I'd try and get one in a straight pull. Despite its "looks" it is just a[awkward] bolt action and an unrestricted rifle,[with no EU mag capacity ban either.]
If you discover the design is not for you, you have a better and easier chance of passing it on because of its category.
You have then a better reason to go restricted on the same design after a while, as you want to shoot service rifle in semi-auto here.

IF things are inevitable, not going to be anyway any friendlier to SA's here. You could also look at converting it to a lever release or MARS action. Which was designed specifically NOT to be semi-auto, and I have a funny feeling if Comrade Biden gets in the Oval Office, will become a quite popular design in the US all of a sudden.:(

I could have sworn the legislation banned any magazine that held over 10 centrefire rounds, but is it really just for semi auto?

Grizzly 45 · 25-11-2020 9:11pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

I could have sworn the legislation banned any magazine that held over 10 centrefire rounds, but is it really just for semi auto?

Yup. Everything else is still exempt be it rifle or shotgun. You can have a 20 round pump action rifle or shotgun. But not in semi-auto...Go figure...

He wants to make all semi-auto rifles and magazines over 10 rounds (sound familiar ) under the national firearms act, which means they have to have a tax stamp at $200 and waiting time. If that happens i fully expect to see a second civil war.

1st of all,he can make whatever legislation he wants...
IF the Republicans control the Senate,it will go nowhere,as will 99.9% of his bills, reducing him to a lame-duck president, and then it would end up in the Supreme court, which would have to hear this one. As they have studiously ignored any 2a disputes since Heller 12 years ago.

2] Enforcing it will be fun...Remember that Sheriff that said he would deputise anyone and everyone in Virginia who had a firearm if Gov Blackface decided to try it on this year and next year? He isn't alone in that mindset...
These kind of bans and restrictions have worked well in states that have tried this and just about NOTHING was handed in any of them?

3] There have been groups of all types, sizes, religious & political bents and beliefs who have been saying across the Nation for decades that "The Govt will come for your guns !", and have been prepping accordingly since the 1960s. Groups like Black panthers, KKK, Aryan Nations, The Minutemen, The Weathermen, Jewish Defence Leauge, etc, and some of these groups are extremely well trained and have some serious toys stashed away, just for such an event long foretold and here's Joe/Beto/Kamala giving them fuel and oxygen to their fears. In fact,you would be just creating "The Turner Diaries" for some of them to start to go to war.

Not to mind, the jail time is the same for having an untitled full auto weapon without the tax stamp.So might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb, and convert your previous semi rifle to full auto,and thus Joe has created over 400k worth minimum,of now illegal full-auto firearms.:eek:

4] I don't think I would like to be the BATFE/SWAT group having to go face these lot down on their home turf or even going house to house or apartment or apartment in suburbia esp if they are waiting for you , and they won't all be sitting nicely in a wooden building out on the Montanna plains or in a church in Waco,or up in a cabin in Idaho. Esp,if a few Oklahoma style bombs start going off under other Fed buildings and MSM outlets. I'd be hugging the wife and kids really hard every morning in that job before going off to work.

For the Fuddier kind, who might have not lost all their guns is a tragic boating accident,I'm sure the MARS/Lever Release will be a good substitute.

Munsterlad102 · 26-11-2020 10:39pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Yup. Everything else is still exempt be it rifle or shotgun. You can have a 20 round pump action rifle or shotgun. But not in semi-auto...Go figure...

1st of all,he can make whatever legislation he wants...
IF the Republicans control the Senate,it will go nowhere,as will 99.9% of his bills, reducing him to a lame-duck president, and then it would end up in the Supreme court, which would have to hear this one. As they have studiously ignored any 2a disputes since Heller 12 years ago.

2] Enforcing it will be fun...Remember that Sheriff that said he would deputise anyone and everyone in Virginia who had a firearm if Gov Blackface decided to try it on this year and next year? He isn't alone in that mindset...
These kind of bans and restrictions have worked well in states that have tried this and just about NOTHING was handed in any of them?

3] There have been groups of all types, sizes, religious & political bents and beliefs who have been saying across the Nation for decades that "The Govt will come for your guns !", and have been prepping accordingly since the 1960s. Groups like Black panthers, KKK, Aryan Nations, The Minutemen, The Weathermen, Jewish Defence Leauge, etc, and some of these groups are extremely well trained and have some serious toys stashed away, just for such an event long foretold and here's Joe/Beto/Kamala giving them fuel and oxygen to their fears. In fact,you would be just creating "The Turner Diaries" for some of them to start to go to war.

Not to mind, the jail time is the same for having an untitled full auto weapon without the tax stamp.So might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb, and convert your previous semi rifle to full auto,and thus Joe has created over 400k worth minimum,of now illegal full-auto firearms.:eek:

4] I don't think I would like to be the BATFE/SWAT group having to go face these lot down on their home turf or even going house to house or apartment or apartment in suburbia esp if they are waiting for you , and they won't all be sitting nicely in a wooden building out on the Montanna plains or in a church in Waco,or up in a cabin in Idaho. Esp,if a few Oklahoma style bombs start going off under other Fed buildings and MSM outlets. I'd be hugging the wife and kids really hard every morning in that job before going off to work.

For the Fuddier kind, who might have not lost all their guns is a tragic boating accident,I'm sure the MARS/Lever Release will be a good substitute.

Just clarifying, but is the maximum magazine capacity for unrestricted repeating firearms 10 rounds? Also where did you hear about The Turner Diaries? I think you might be misinterpreting the message of the book, but I could be wrong.

Grizzly 45 · 27-11-2020 1:00am

Unless you have been leading a VERY sheltered life and have missed out on current events and the whole " White power and racism in America" story over the last 30 years you must have heard and read "The Turner diaries" to even have an idea about this topic?

For those that haven't.. Its a crappily written novel based on the diaries of Earl Turner, [The Author real name was William Pierce [deceased] and used to be a big name in the Neo-nazi scene in the US, and ran the group National Vangaurd] who is a white supremacist who ends up living in a corrupt, decadent and perverted Socialist multi-ethnic society that is extremely gun controlled by a liberal US president and Govt, with the ubiquitous Jewish villains pulling strings.

It's basically a diary of Turner's group and the resistance and reconquest of America by the White supremacists, stopping by to nuke Israel off the map as well once they get control of some ICBMs and ends with Turner self-sacrificing himself by flying a nuke tipped biplane into the Pentagon to finalise the conquest of America by destroying the remainder of the Govt holed up there under the protection of the Joint chiefs of staff, as the
US president was assassinated.

It's a ****e novel written by a nasty individual espousing a nastier philosophy, but the trouble being is some extremists have adopted this as some sort of prophecy and philosophy of how the final "race war" will kick off, and seeing the way events and social situations have been going in the US with BLM/ANTIFA, Biden and Haris espousing gun control, and downright lunatics like Oscario Cortez, Omar and that other yoke Warran demanding "retribution lists" against Trump supporters and people who worked on the Trump campaign, even going so far to suggest re education camps" and "firing squads" for the "unconvertible" smacks more of Soviet Russia than America!!! Not to mind having the arch-villain Soros playing the part of the Jew arch string-puller.

This is why I said it is almost giving these nutters the excuse that their "prophecy" of Turner is coming to hand. and why America is moving into some very dangerous times in the next future time.

Just clarifying, but is the maximum magazine capacity for unrestricted repeating firearms 10 rounds

For .22s here in Ireland it is. Otherwise ...NO!
You can hang a 100 round drum under a bolt,or lever or pump action centrefire rifle if you can find, build or modify one to your gun. You can even go hunting deer with one too, as the Wildlife act says nothing about mag capacity for rifles, and you can hump such a heavy pig about the place too.
IOW it would be a custom job for the majority of rifles out there and really serving no practical purpose that couldn't be done easier by having a bunch of conventional 10 rounders.

Munsterlad102 · 27-11-2020 8:35am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Unless you have been leading a VERY sheltered life and have missed out on current events and the whole " White power and racism in America" story over the last 30 years you must have heard and read "The Turner diaries" to even have an idea about this topic?

For those that haven't.. Its a crappily written novel based on the diaries of Earl Turner, [The Author real name was William Pierce [deceased] and used to be a big name in the Neo-nazi scene in the US, and ran the group National Vangaurd] who is a white supremacist who ends up living in a corrupt, decadent and perverted Socialist multi-ethnic society that is extremely gun controlled by a liberal US president and Govt, with the ubiquitous Jewish villains pulling strings.

It's basically a diary of Turner's group and the resistance and reconquest of America by the White supremacists, stopping by to nuke Israel off the map as well once they get control of some ICBMs and ends with Turner self-sacrificing himself by flying a nuke tipped biplane into the Pentagon to finalise the conquest of America by destroying the remainder of the Govt holed up there under the protection of the Joint chiefs of staff, as the
US president was assassinated.

It's a ****e novel written by a nasty individual espousing a nastier philosophy, but the trouble being is some extremists have adopted this as some sort of prophecy and philosophy of how the final "race war" will kick off, and seeing the way events and social situations have been going in the US with BLM/ANTIFA, Biden and Haris espousing gun control, and downright lunatics like Oscario Cortez, Omar and that other yoke Warran demanding "retribution lists" against Trump supporters and people who worked on the Trump campaign, even going so far to suggest re education camps" and "firing squads" for the "unconvertible" smacks more of Soviet Russia than America!!! Not to mind having the arch-villain Soros playing the part of the Jew arch string-puller.

This is why I said it is almost giving these nutters the excuse that their "prophecy" of Turner is coming to hand. and why America is moving into some very dangerous times in the next future time.

For .22s here in Ireland it is. Otherwise ...NO!
You can hang a 100 round drum under a bolt,or lever or pump action centrefire rifle if you can find, build or modify one to your gun. You can even go hunting deer with one too, as the Wildlife act says nothing about mag capacity for rifles, and you can hump such a heavy pig about the place too.
IOW it would be a custom job for the majority of rifles out there and really serving no practical purpose that couldn't be done easier by having a bunch of conventional 10 rounders.

Fair enough, I thought you thought the message was just anti government because of the Cohen Act and everyone’s guns getting taken off them, it’s good to see that you know the full message. Still and interesting choice of book to mention.

That magazine capacity law makes no sense, you can only have 10 rounds in a little 22lr, but you can have a 30 round magazine in a lever release rifle. Our government makes laws that never fail to amaze me. Also is there any news regarding the banning of lever release and MARS in the UK? Last I heard they were only planning the collection and compensation. What a terrible way to spend taxpayers money.

Grizzly 45 · 27-11-2020 2:11pm

You can be assured of four things in Ireland. Death , political corruption, high taxes and utterly illogical gun laws made by people with zero clue on the matter...
How I got to read and know alot about the Turner diaries...That's another chapter for my memoirs on my American adventures.

Munsterlad102 · 27-11-2020 10:01pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

You can be assured of four things in Ireland. Death , political corruption, high taxes and utterly illogical gun laws made by people with zero clue on the matter...
How I got to read and know alot about the Turner diaries...That's another chapter for my memoirs on my American adventures.

Ah yeah, for the long awaited Grizzly biography

. But anyway regarding the MARS/lever release rifles, are they popular in any other countries other than the UK? Australia seem to have a few but they’re in 22lr so no point in getting on of them. Would you say it would be expensive to have a MARS rifle custom made?

tudderone · 27-11-2020 10:29pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Ah yeah, for the long awaited Grizzly biography . But anyway regarding the MARS/lever release rifles, are they popular in any other countries other than the UK? Australia seem to have a few but they’re in 22lr so no point in getting on of them. Would you say it would be expensive to have a MARS rifle custom made?

Nope, they are in centrefire rounds too, Verney-Carron in France do them.

https://www.verney-carron.com/pages-us2/

Munsterlad102 · 27-11-2020 11:27pm

tudderone wrote: »

Nope, they are in centrefire rounds too, Verney-Carron in France do them.

https://www.verney-carron.com/pages-us2/

Oh yes I forgot about them. Unfortunately they don’t do rifles in .223 and .308 rounds are a little too expensive for me to shoot. Also I would prefer something less than 2500-3000 and something that accepts AR mags, just because they’re dirt cheap. The mags for a Verney-Carron speedline are like 250 quid each. I’m not to picky on appearance, just so long as it’s not ridiculously expensive. But thanks for the suggestion, any other ones will be greatly appreciated.

Grizzly 45 · 27-11-2020 11:57pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Ah yeah, for the long-awaited Grizzly biography . But anyway regarding the MARS/lever release rifles, are they popular in any other countries other than the UK? Australia seem to have a few but they’re in 22lr so no point in getting on of them. Would you say it would be expensive to have a MARS rifle custom made?

They weren't that common in the UK either FIK, as they were expensive enough and you had just two companies, Southern Guns and Caledonian making/importing them, and they were in STG what a good semi-auto will run you in Euros. 2k stg is putting you into a very good semi-auto.
So are you really gaining anything by looking at getting one built? It is really a UK thing,as most everywhere else[inc IRL] allows semis in some shape or form and mag capacity?

Munsterlad102 · 28-11-2020 12:38am

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

They weren't that common in the UK either FIK, as they were expensive enough and you had just two companies, Southern Guns and Caledonian making/importing them, and they were in STG what a good semi-auto will run you in Euros. 2k stg is putting you into a very good semi-auto.
So are you really gaining anything by looking at getting one built? It is really a UK thing,as most everywhere else[inc IRL] allows semis in some shape or form and mag capacity?

When you put it that way it doesn’t make a huge amount of sense. Originally I was hoping the UK lads would be allowed to sell their rifles to people outside of the UK, but that was being fairly idealistic. I might ask around and see how much it would cost to make a cheap AR into a lever release. Also just as a hypothetical, how much would it cost to ship a rifle from America and are there many taxes or fees apart from the import license that would be needed, and the firearms license of course. Again, it’s the mag capacity and unrestricted license that appeals to me and it would be a good stepping stone towards CF semi auto.

tudderone · 28-11-2020 2:17am

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Oh yes I forgot about them. Unfortunately they don’t do rifles in .223 and .308 rounds are a little too expensive for me to shoot. Also I would prefer something less than 2500-3000 and something that accepts AR mags, just because they’re dirt cheap. The mags for a Verney-Carron speedline are like 250 quid each. I’m not to picky on appearance, just so long as it’s not ridiculously expensive. But thanks for the suggestion, any other ones will be greatly appreciated.

You can get milsurp 7.62 rounds for not much money. I used to get 20 rounds for a tenner, that was a few years ago when i had a .308.

I seen a Browning BLR lever action .223, that had been converted to take ar mags, i think Armalon or someone like that in the UK were doing the conversions. Lucky 13 in Australia do 10 round mags for them too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNW9I6LSi6w

Grizzly 45 · 28-11-2020 8:46pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Also just as a hypothetical, how much would it cost to ship a rifle from America and are there many taxes or fees apart from the import license that would be needed, and the firearms license of course. Again, it’s the mag capacity and unrestricted license that appeals to me and it would be a good stepping stone towards CF semi auto.

RUN AWAY VERY QUICK from that idea.
It is a logistical and bureaucratic nightmare still, despite ITAR being loosened. It was cheaper for me by 350 euros to get a gunsmith here in Ireland to re barrel my AR10 in 308 with a Lothar Walther German match barrel than import a bog-standard carbine upper from Brownells Would have cost over 1000 euros about five years ago. The re barreling cost 750.

Be better off literally buying one from one of the importers in Germany,or getting them to build you one to your specs, and let them deal with the paperwork.

There is no such thing or quantify "cheap AR15".In the US perhaps, where the parts are available and for handy money and you can choose your lower to your budget. As lowers and frames are considered "the gun" under US law. You can buy from apparently rubbish Aero precision[poverty pony] lowers for 150 USD to close onto 900 USD for the lower. Around here in Europe be prepared to shell out 1,500 starting price bare bones for an AR.

tudderone · 28-11-2020 10:07pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

When you put it that way it doesn’t make a huge amount of sense. Originally I was hoping the UK lads would be allowed to sell their rifles to people outside of the UK, but that was being fairly idealistic. I might ask around and see how much it would cost to make a cheap AR into a lever release. Also just as a hypothetical, how much would it cost to ship a rifle from America and are there many taxes or fees apart from the import license that would be needed, and the firearms license of course. Again, it’s the mag capacity and unrestricted license that appeals to me and it would be a good stepping stone towards CF semi auto.

https://sportwaffen-triebel.de/en/guns/riflesshotguns/rifles/semi-automatic-rifles?p=3

Munsterlad102 · 28-11-2020 11:41pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

RUN AWAY VERY QUICK from that idea.
It is a logistical and bureaucratic nightmare still, despite ITAR being loosened. It was cheaper for me by 350 euros to get a gunsmith here in Ireland to re barrel my AR10 in 308 with a Lothar Walther German match barrel than import a bog-standard carbine upper from Brownells Would have cost over 1000 euros about five years ago. The re barreling cost 750.

Be better off literally buying one from one of the importers in Germany,or getting them to build you one to your specs, and let them deal with the paperwork.

There is no such thing or quantify "cheap AR15".In the US perhaps, where the parts are available and for handy money and you can choose your lower to your budget. As lowers and frames are considered "the gun" under US law. You can buy from apparently rubbish Aero precision[poverty pony] lowers for 150 USD to close onto 900 USD for the lower. Around here in Europe be prepared to shell out 1,500 starting price bare bones for an AR.

Oh yeah I forgot about Germany. Do you have any idea how much the lever release modification to the rifle would cost? Are any such modifications expensive? On top of the cost of the rifle of course.

tudderone · 29-11-2020 1:33am

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Oh yeah I forgot about Germany. Do you have any idea how much the lever release modification to the rifle would cost? Are any such modifications expensive? On top of the cost of the rifle of course.

It can't have been a semi-auto to begin with though. Illegal afaik. Its like the straight pulls, just removing the semi-auto bits and doing the conversion is verboten.

Munsterlad102 · 29-11-2020 6:19pm

tudderone wrote: »

It can't have been a semi-auto to begin with though. Illegal afaik. Its like the straight pulls, just removing the semi-auto bits and doing the conversion is verboten.

Would it be illegal if they used the same parts from an unassembled rifle and then made it into a lever release or would that be illegal? Surely there's some point where its just parts of steel and not a rifle, but maybe I'm wrong. Surely there's some bolt action that uses that an AR barrel but isn't illegal. But I don't know.

Grizzly 45 · 29-11-2020 7:48pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Would it be illegal if they used the same parts from an unassembled rifle and then made it into a lever release or would that be illegal? Surely there's some point where its just parts of steel and not a rifle, but maybe I'm wrong. Surely there's some bolt action that uses that an AR barrel but isn't illegal. But I don't know.

Oh yeah, forgot you also need to have a completely new lower AR-style receiver if you are going that way, as the trigger pin and hammer and selector holes are in completely different positions to the std AR receiver to accommodate the interrupter mechanism.
As for parts from a former rifle build in the UK and now the EU.Nope! The barrel must be fresh with no welded over gas ports, etc. It has to be a virgin,no former select fire parts either.
So that wipes out, bolt carrier, selector /safety mechanism, barrel, possibly the barrel trunion before you can start a project using former spare parts.
Found this guy in the UK who might be able to advise you further on building a L1A1 or further on gunstar.co.uk https://www.gunstar.co.uk/rof-royal-ordnance-factories-after-market-l1a1-straight-pull/rifles/1294292

jb88 · 04-12-2020 4:30pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Oh yeah I forgot about Germany. Do you have any idea how much the lever release modification to the rifle would cost? Are any such modifications expensive? On top of the cost of the rifle of course.

Why do you want a lever release? When its perfectly legal to licence a semi auto, and a lot cheaper.

juice1304 · 05-12-2020 8:38pm

Its legal in Germany to make a lever release. The law you're thinking of is in relation to them manufacturing semi-autos on the same machines and tooling as they make full autos on. It was to try and prevent the public from being able to buy the SL8 however HK just decided to spend 4 million euros on another machine instead so it made no difference.
Although it would be legal to make you would be paying someone to develop the modification again. And the reason they are banned in the uk is because with minimal modification you could turn it into a full auto. Personally, i wouldn't bother with one.

Munsterlad102 · 05-12-2020 11:05pm

juice1304 wrote: »

Its legal in Germany to make a lever release. The law you're thinking of is in relation to them manufacturing semi-autos on the same machines and tooling as they make full autos on. It was to try and prevent the public from being able to buy the SL8 however HK just decided to spend 4 million euros on another machine instead so it made no difference.
Although it would be legal to make you would be paying someone to develop the modification again. And the reason they are banned in the uk is because with minimal modification you could turn it into a full auto. Personally, i wouldn't bother with one.

So is it legal to have a semi automatic rifle converted to lever action or MARS action in Germany?

juice1304 · 05-12-2020 11:57pm

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

So is it legal to have a semi automatic rifle converted to lever action or MARS action in Germany?

It would be legal for them to manufacture one from new but the cost would be ridiculous. They would be starting from scratch. And they dont bother with any of that there because you can walk into a gunshop and walk out with as many semiautos as you can afford.

Cass · 06-12-2020 1:47am

Lads,

The discussion has started to wander into prohibited territory. Some have already "modded" themselves which is grand, but I don't think it serves any purpose to have a "how-to" guide, however vague the references are, on anything that could be potentially harmful to the forum or community. To that extent i've removed some posts that even touch on the subject of modifying. There are to be no more posts about the subject.

All threads naturally go off topic, its part and parcel of the forum, but not to this point. So lets get back on topic, steer clear of anything "hypothetical" and more importantly try focus on Irish issues with Irish solutions.

This is not a chastising of anyone, just a heads up on the direction the thread is going.

meathstevie · 07-12-2020 3:14pm

jb88 wrote: »

Why do you want a lever release? When its perfectly legal to licence a semi auto, and a lot cheaper.

I suppose that would possibly make it a bolt action and unrestricted ? I can’t see the point in an environment where you can have a semi-auto with a bit of extra conditions attached.

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