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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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  • #6752
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    I see pubs with their own kitchens can open. Seems a little vague. What is the definition of a kitchen. Does somewhere with a grill and an oven count


  • #6753
    redarmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭redarmy


    Varadkar says the rule is "two metres or two hours"

    If your table in a restaurant is more than 2m away from others you can stay longer than the 1hr 45m limit that's there otherwise Leo Varadkar confirms the €9 substantial meal remains. However, gastropubs will need to have their own chef and cook the food on site rather than bringing it in


  • #6754
    ElektroToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭ElektroToad


    Be interesting to know if there is a legal definition of "kitchen" and "chef"...?

    Can a pub just whack a microwave behind the bar and nuke some frozen pizza? :pac:


  • #6755
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    ShyMets wrote: »
    I see pubs with their own kitchens can open. Seems a little vague. What is the definition of a kitchen. Does somewhere with a grill and an oven count

    Can I bring a mini George Foreman to the local and have unrestricted pints???


  • #6756
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,141 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Normal One wrote: »
    Can I bring a mini George Foreman to the local and have unrestricted pints???

    Where would you plug it in? Love the bit of humour.


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  • #6757
    Open the Pubs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    Do we have to buy food?


  • #6758
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    ShyMets wrote: »
    I see pubs with their own kitchens can open. Seems a little vague. What is the definition of a kitchen. Does somewhere with a grill and an oven count


    The food safety regulations have a lot to say about what constitutes a kitchen suitable for serving food to the public.


  • #6759
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,778 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    Do we have to buy food?

    I still have my receipts from the last time the pubs were open so no.


  • #6760
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    Do we have to buy food?


    Not really, just a substantial meal and spend over 9Euro. I guess that would be a burger and a pint?


  • #6761
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    Do we have to buy food?


    Only €9 worth.


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  • #6762
    Jonesy101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Jonesy101


    why are pubs being separated from the entire rest of the entertainment and hospitality industry. id say its far more beneficial to peoples mental health, loneliness and the economy to open the pubs and not the museums! and wtf are they recommending to use disposable plates and cups they really are beyond idiotic, yesterday the news said there was 25% more waste already this year compared to last year due to all the delivery.


  • #6763
    Chalk McHugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Chalk McHugh


    A bit of good news at last. Fair play to Michael Martin and the powers that be to tell Nphet to stick their penal anti alcohol and anti social laws where the sun don't shine. There was too much to lose for the government and the anger would have been palpable. It's not perfect (sad for the wet pubs) but I look forward to two or three days meeting friends around the city.


  • #6764
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Fairly meaningless for villages of rural Ireland, many of whom don't have these gastro pubs. I'm glad my wife gets to return to full time hours at her non essential retail job but apart from that, I'm not exactly jumping around celebrating. Spoke to our local publican this evening and her devastation was apparent. Felt so sorry for her. And with no sign of them being allowed to open in the new year either, well I just don't know..........


  • #6765
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Fairly meaningless for villages of rural Ireland, many of whom don't have these gastro pubs. I'm glad my wife gets to return to full time hours at her non essential retail job but apart from that, I'm not exactly jumping around celebrating. Spoke to our local publican this evening and her devastation was apparent. Felt so sorry for her. And with no sign of them being allowed to open in the new year either, well I just don't know..........

    Exactly! While some may be patting Mehole Martin and Leo Leak on the back for their bravery in the face of Holohan, the rural pubs still remain shut 9 months on... the pub which can be the only place many can go to meet others on the cold dark winter nights... FFFG don't give sh it about them...


  • #6766
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,706 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    So the time limit is gone once your 2m away from another table ??

    Very Annoyed about the food rule and the wet pubs staying closed. Places are going to be jam packed the next few weeks and its going to be so hard too police. I for one will try and enjoy a night or 2 out. Know of a few places suddenly opening up as gastropubs


  • #6767
    the rock29
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭the rock29


    All as they say wet pubs all over Ireland have really been forgotten about and many may never reopen and a lot of staff may loose there jobs what's next I feel so sorry for staff and owners no future 😔


  • #6768
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    So the time limit is gone once your 2m away from another table ??

    That was always the case.....
    Very Annoyed about the food rule and the wet pubs staying closed. Places are going to be jam packed the next few weeks and its going to be so hard too police. I for one will try and enjoy a night or 2 out. Know of a few places suddenly opening up as gastropubs

    Fair play to them, getting a kitchen installed, hiring and training staff and getting health authorities signing off before next Friday is pricy.......


  • #6769
    didyoufart?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭didyoufart?


    So my plan is stay two hours and get food in the first pub

    Onto the next pub and just pay 9 euro to stay another two hours just to get recipt and tell them i don't need the food.

    So supporting local businesses.


  • #6770
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,706 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    That was always the case.....



    Fair play to them, getting a kitchen installed, hiring and training staff and getting health authorities signing off before next Friday is pricy.......

    More intrigued about where they can fit the kitchen. The more the merrier and more options


  • #6771
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    Chalk McHugh wrote: »
    A bit of good news at last. Fair play to Michael Martin and the powers that be to tell Nphet to stick their penal anti alcohol and anti social laws where the sun don't shine.

    While your turn of phrase is a little jarring, a turn of events, which for those willing to look beyond a shoot-the-messenger type response, avoid personal jibes (although I noted many were unable to comply with the maxim I have seen mention here of 'attack the post, not the poster') and instead see what was well flagged for many weeks :

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.phpp=114969597&postcount=2677
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=114967679&postcount=2631
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115127618&postcount=9124
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115201671&postcount=6101
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115274223&postcount=1747

    The outcome here is that everyone, in a sense is correct. NPHET is of course correct to recommend from a public health position that pubs openings be avoided. And the government correct to, on consideration of a wider range of criteria, allow for the limited openings. On their side, committing the country to a third wave in February is a courageous decision, not easily taken, and must be respected. I would have tended to a stronger curtailment of openings, but do understand the merit in the formula presented.

    And now that the short term view has been published, I think everyone must respect the liberties they have been given. It is still encouraged that people restrict their social contacts as far as possible.

    While permitted, patronising gastropubs (or take away from pubs - an activity that strikes me as perverse really, and only alluring to those wanting to make a point) is still to be discouraged.

    We are all responsible for our own actions, the influence they will have on transmission of the virus over the coming months, and depth of restriction that will be reimposed in January. I am deeply concerned.

    Please all consider this, take care of each other, and Happy Christmas to all.


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  • #6772
    didyoufart?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭didyoufart?


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    While your turn of phrase is a little jarring, a turn of events, which for those willing to look beyond a shoot-the-messenger type response, avoid personal jibes (although I noted many were unable to comply with the maxim I have seen mention here of 'attack the post, not the poster') and instead see what was well flagged for many weeks :

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.phpp=114969597&postcount=2677
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=114967679&postcount=2631
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115127618&postcount=9124
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115201671&postcount=6101
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115274223&postcount=1747

    The outcome here is that everyone, in a sense is correct. NPHET is of course correct to recommend from a public health position that pubs openings be avoided. And the government correct to, on consideration of a wider range of criteria, allow for the limited openings. On their side, committing the country to a third wave in February is a courageous decision, not easily taken, and must be respected. I would have tended to a stronger curtailment of openings, but do understand the merit in the formula presented.

    And now that the short term view has been published, I think everyone must respect the liberties they have been given. It is still encouraged that people restrict their social contacts as far as possible.

    While permitted, patronising gastropubs (or take away from pubs - an activity that strikes me as perverse really, and only alluring to those wanting to make a point) is still to be discouraged.

    We are all responsible for our own actions, the influence they will have on transmission of the virus over the coming months, and depth of restriction that will be reimposed in January. I am deeply concerned.

    Please all consider this, take care of each other, and Happy Christmas to all.

    Hi


  • #6773
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    While your turn of phrase is a little jarring, a turn of events, which for those willing to look beyond a shoot-the-messenger type response, avoid personal jibes (although I noted many were unable to comply with the maxim I have seen mention here of 'attack the post, not the poster') and instead see what was well flagged for many weeks :

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.phpp=114969597&postcount=2677
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=114967679&postcount=2631
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115127618&postcount=9124
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115201671&postcount=6101
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115274223&postcount=1747

    The outcome here is that everyone, in a sense is correct. NPHET is of course correct to recommend from a public health position that pubs openings be avoided. And the government correct to, on consideration of a wider range of criteria, allow for the limited openings. On their side, committing the country to a third wave in February is a courageous decision, not easily taken, and must be respected. I would have tended to a stronger curtailment of openings, but do understand the merit in the formula presented.

    And now that the short term view has been published, I think everyone must respect the liberties they have been given. It is still encouraged that people restrict their social contacts as far as possible.

    While permitted, patronising gastropubs (or take away from pubs - an activity that strikes me as perverse really, and only alluring to those wanting to make a point) is still to be discouraged.

    We are all responsible for our own actions, the influence they will have on transmission of the virus over the coming months, and depth of restriction that will be reimposed in January. I am deeply concerned.

    Please all consider this, take care of each other, and Happy Christmas to all.

    "will be reimposed in January".

    That you Baby Doomer, absentee CMO Holohan? Here let me put those toys back into your pram.


  • #6774
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Anyone make any bookings yet?

    I've two chalked in already. Buzzing!


  • #6775
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Anyone make any bookings yet?

    I've two chalked in already. Buzzing!

    With the announcement of 15 gathering outside, my local’s heated beer garden is in play soon - I’ll be booking in next weekend.


  • #6776
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    While your turn of phrase is a little jarring, a turn of events, which for those willing to look beyond a shoot-the-messenger type response, avoid personal jibes (although I noted many were unable to comply with the maxim I have seen mention here of 'attack the post, not the poster') and instead see what was well flagged for many weeks :

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.phpp=114969597&postcount=2677
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=114967679&postcount=2631
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115127618&postcount=9124
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115201671&postcount=6101
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115274223&postcount=1747

    The outcome here is that everyone, in a sense is correct. NPHET is of course correct to recommend from a public health position that pubs openings be avoided. And the government correct to, on consideration of a wider range of criteria, allow for the limited openings. On their side, committing the country to a third wave in February is a courageous decision, not easily taken, and must be respected. I would have tended to a stronger curtailment of openings, but do understand the merit in the formula presented.

    And now that the short term view has been published, I think everyone must respect the liberties they have been given. It is still encouraged that people restrict their social contacts as far as possible.

    While permitted, patronising gastropubs (or take away from pubs - an activity that strikes me as perverse really, and only alluring to those wanting to make a point) is still to be discouraged.

    We are all responsible for our own actions, the influence they will have on transmission of the virus over the coming months, and depth of restriction that will be reimposed in January. I am deeply concerned.

    Please all consider this, take care of each other, and Happy Christmas to all.

    Aaaaaand he's gone.....sums up things anyway on the anti pub side.


  • #6777
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    What I find interesting is that since the link was posted to the NPHET letter, no one has chosen to mention that NPHET made it very clear that if the government were to choose to not keep ALL hospitality closed until January, the combination of opening hospitality would put the 2 weeks of family mixing at risk.
    Of note, If some element of hospitality is retained, the NPHET is of the view that the recommended easing of measures with regard to household mixing over the two week festive period as set out above could not also take place

    So, the relevant politicians have decided to take the risk, and allow SOME pubs and hospitality venues to open, despite the risks that are involved in doing so.

    Seems to me that this needs to be shouted from the rooftops in the forlorn hope that the people that do decide to use the places that are open are aware that they have to be responsible in how they act when there, to avoid the risk that the period after Christmas will result in an even more rigid lock down than has been in place, as stopping family visits over Chtristmas is now no longer an option, the decision has been made.

    And yes, I will say it, the people who are planning to visit one place for 2 hours, and then go to another place for another 2 hours are beneath contempt, and the reason should be obvious.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #6778
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    It's NPHET throwing toys out of the pram with that despicable threat. They are such doomsayers it's pathetic.

    Restaurants won't be open until the 4th December, we will barely even have data by the week before Christmas to say it was a disaster.

    They really need to be called up on their dubious claims.


  • #6779
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Anyone make any bookings yet?

    I've two chalked in already. Buzzing!

    I've 2 done, unfortunately I'm very rural so our local wont open with restrictions so had to book into a hotel in Dublin the 12th, I wasn't going to bother going and cancel, its booked a few months as we do it every year, but thinking now, some shopping, a takeaway cocktail or 2 and then book in for dinner and back to the hotel bar isn't the worst in the world.

    Then just food and drink the 19th probably, I seen the restaurant we are going to has a nice outdoor space and a couple of bars next door so might get a drink before and after, All Ireland final on that day hopefully there some sort of outdoor screen set up.


  • #6780
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    What I find interesting is that since the link was posted to the NPHET letter, no one has chosen to mention that NPHET made it very clear that if the government were to choose to not keep ALL hospitality closed until January, the combination of opening hospitality would put the 2 weeks of family mixing at risk.



    So, the relevant politicians have decided to take the risk, and allow SOME pubs and hospitality venues to open, despite the risks that are involved in doing so.

    Seems to me that this needs to be shouted from the rooftops in the forlorn hope that the people that do decide to use the places that are open are aware that they have to be responsible in how they act when there, to avoid the risk that the period after Christmas will result in an even more rigid lock down than has been in place, as stopping family visits over Chtristmas is now no longer an option, the decision has been made.

    And yes, I will say it, the people who are planning to visit one place for 2 hours, and then go to another place for another 2 hours are beneath contempt, and the reason should be obvious.


    Quite apart from the general threat, if people are going to spend the whole week in pubs and then go to Xmas dinner with the family they risk giving Covid to their own family. But the pub is the more important.

    And of course those that abuse the provisions established now will have the loudest whine when the whole thing is closed again in January.


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  • #6781
    mightyreds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Quite apart from the general threat, if people are going to spend the whole week in pubs and then go to Xmas dinner with the family they risk giving Covid to their own family. But the pub is the more important.

    And of course those that abuse the provisions established now will have the loudest whine when the whole thing is closed again in January.

    Those who go to hospital for a routine procedure in the week leading to xmas risk giving covid to their family, those who go shopping in the week before xmas risk giving covid to their family, I would say catching it in a hospital setting is the most risk out of retail , pub , hospital setting at the minute.


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