Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 07:50PM

terenc wrote: »

A nation of FU*KING alcoholics.

Bravo :rolleyes:

Fr_Dougal · 26-11-2020 07:50PM

I’d say antisocial people, people who don’t like to go out and live their lives are absolutely loving lockdown. Finally they can fit in.

CalamariFritti · 26-11-2020 07:51PM

terenc wrote: »

A nation of FU*KING alcoholics.

So people who want to re-open their business because they're running out of options or visit their family or go for a game of golf are now a nation of alcoholics.

You guys are really losing the plot.

26-11-2020 07:51PM

NPHET advised us to go to level 5 for six weeks and get the case numbers down to about 50 a day.

We followed that advice and the cost to the country is well in excess of 1.5 billion.

The lockdown hasn’t worked. There has been heavy restrictions in place in Dublin for months now and no major drop in cases.

Could it be that these lockdowns are hugely expensive and not really helping?

Open the Pubs · 26-11-2020 07:52PM

UM1 wrote: »

MCConkey

He'll probably be on the Toy show tomorrow with George Lee, taking toys from the kids and telling them Santa isn't real.

Ficheall · 26-11-2020 07:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Blah blah blah exponential growth blah blah blah level 3 didnt work blah blah blah “end zone” blah blah

You said things looked like they were tailing off at the end of September, when we had similar numbers to now, no?

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 07:52PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

I'd say NPHET saved and tacked on a couple hundred extra cases just for today. It's a running theme with them, usually do it whenever restrictions are to be lifted.

What makes you say that, Open The Pubs?

KrustyUCC · 26-11-2020 07:52PM

lausp wrote: »

Tipp had a big football win at the weekend. Not sure about Kilkenny but the castle park is rammed every weekend and the council have tables out to encourage people to get takeaway food etc, have to think this is encouraging people to meet.

That would be extremely quick for any football cases to be going through the system already

BeefeaterHat · 26-11-2020 07:53PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

So people who want to re-open their business because they're running out of options or visit their family or go for a game of golf are now a nation of alcoholics.

You guys are really losing the plot.

Welcome to the covid inspired Taliban. Anyone who doesn't live like the dalai lama is scum.

WoollyRedHat · 26-11-2020 07:53PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Source for 1000 cases a day?

That's a bit rich, you trying to look for a source with some of the melodramatic and anti-science posts you have previously posted.

Ficheall · 26-11-2020 07:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The lockdown hasn’t worked. There has been heavy restrictions in place in Dublin for months now and no major drop in cases.

Could it be that these lockdowns are hugely expensive and not really helping?

Did you not say that level 3.5 had worked?

thegreengoblin · 26-11-2020 07:55PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't see any reason to lift restrictions in the current circumstances a part from loosening the family visits for Christmas day itself.

Open things up now and by Christmas eve we will be dealing with well in excess of 1,000 cases per day.

More people get the disease, more people will die.

The government should have a proper understanding that eaten bread is soon forgotten and the public won't be forgiving for a heath catastrophe in January.

They need to follow scientific advice and not the whims of cranks.

No one will care about a missed Christmas on December 27th. And the same people, failing to understand the gravity of the situation, for wholly selfish reasons will be the same ones shouting against the govt about the fallout afterward.

Don't make stupid decisions you'll regret.

Catastrophe? You mean like the one we haven't actually had all year?

stephenjmcd · 26-11-2020 07:57PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

It's very possible unfortunately. Thinking otherwise is head in the sand type thinking.

Thinking otherwise is called having an opinion which everyone is entitled to regardless of if it disagrees with yours. If everyone had the same thoughts it would be a boring world

WoollyRedHat · 26-11-2020 07:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

NPHET advised us to go to level 5 for six weeks and get the case numbers down to about 50 a day.

We followed that advice and the cost to the country is well in excess of 1.5 billion.

The lockdown hasn’t worked. There has been heavy restrictions in place in Dublin for months now and no major drop in cases.

Could it be that these lockdowns are hugely expensive and not really helping?

The lockdown has worked to suppress cases, look at the ECDC incidence rate map that was released today, we're orange while the majority of Europe is in the red.

26-11-2020 07:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lee on RTÉ: "the numbers are not impressive, we're nowhere near the original target." Twist the knife George.

A number that was never a realistic target. It was set up for failure

Richard Hillman · 26-11-2020 07:57PM

froog wrote: »

hilarious people think NPHET are leaking and not a bunch of politicians who have proven form for leaks.

Ronan Glynns wife works for RTE. RTE got the leak back in October just as Holohan came back and Big-Dicked Glynn days after he said no more restrictions needed.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-11-2020 07:58PM

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Catastrophe? You mean like the one we haven't actually had all year?

Thanks to the national mitigation measures.

We need to keep up the good work though and redouble the efforts.

Ficheall · 26-11-2020 07:58PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

We were down to single figures and had all the time in the world for something with method. But we wouldnt stop tinkering and doing 3.5s and local here and bollix that.

I don't fully remember, but I don't think we were in single figures when we went to 3.5 etc? I'm not saying that more/better couldn't have been done; I was just commenting on the "didn't wait and see if level 3.5 could do its job" argument.

Hulk Hands · 26-11-2020 07:58PM

Government's job has been done by NPHET there this evening. The leaking of plans was there to gauge public opinion. Well the outpouring of anger to this NPHET recommendation can leave the government in no doubt that opinion has swung firmly against NPHET and further strong lockdown.

My FB and Twitter timeline is full of the layman complaining about the latest suggestion, the type that has followed the NPHET/RTE/MSM pro lockdown narrative to a tee so far. They've lost the dressing room, so to speak

BeefeaterHat · 26-11-2020 08:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't see any reason to lift restrictions in the current circumstances a part from loosening the family visits for Christmas day itself.

Open things up now and by Christmas eve we will be dealing with well in excess of 1,000 cases per day.

More people get the disease, more people will die.

The government should have a proper understanding that eaten bread is soon forgotten and the public won't be forgiving for a heath catastrophe in January.

They need to follow scientific advice and not the whims of cranks.

No one will care about a missed Christmas on December 27th. And the same people, failing to understand the gravity of the situation, for wholly selfish reasons will be the same ones shouting against the govt about the fallout afterward.

Don't make stupid decisions you'll regret.

The only cranks being listened to are NPHET and the two professional mad scientists McConkey and Luke O'Neill. The fact they still get radio spots and mentioned in the papers is an embarrassment

26-11-2020 08:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Thanks to the national mitigation measures.

We need to keep up the good work though and redouble the efforts.

More updates from Tony Holohan's parrot as we receive them.

Polar101 · 26-11-2020 08:01PM

polesheep wrote: »

I think the fundamental mistake was to give NPHET autonomy. It should have been chaired by a senior government official (not the CMO). And at no point should anyone from NPHET have be allowed to speak to the media.

The "NPHET advises, government decides" is a sound idea in principle, but now they are both behaving like two opposing factions. I think that makes the government look weak - instead of working together with NPHET they're now waiting for recommendations, which goes through the advisory committee (or whatever it's called now), and then to the cabinet.

Now the government is just needlessly trying to score points, when they leak stuff and pretend they are somehow an opposing force to NPHET, and "giving the people something better than what NPHET wants". I never understood why no-one from the government is involved in the NPHET press briefings, or why NPHET is holding the briefings in the first place.

shinzon · 26-11-2020 08:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

NPHET advised us to go to level 5 for six weeks and get the case numbers down to about 50 a day.

We followed that advice and the cost to the country is well in excess of 1.5 billion.

The lockdown hasn’t worked. There has been heavy restrictions in place in Dublin for months now and no major drop in cases.

Could it be that these lockdowns are hugely expensive and not really helping?

For a lockdown to work and I use lockdown in this instance in the loosest possible term people must adhere to it which this time they didnt, thats why the case numbers didnt go down to the exit target of 100 a day, tiredness complacency didnt bother there hole take your pick

Unless theres buy in then lockdown doesnt work simple as

Shin

Eod100 · 26-11-2020 08:02PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Government's job has been done by NPHET there this evening. The leaking of plans was there to gauge public opinion. Well the outpouring of anger to this NPHET recommendation can leave the government in no doubt that opinion has swung firmly against NPHET and further strong lockdown.

My FB and Twitter timeline is full of the layman complaining about the latest suggestion, the type that has followed the NPHET/RTE/MSM pro lockdown narrative to a tee so far. They've lost the dressing room, so to speak

It was always going to play out that way. Government leaked easing of restrictions before NPHET had made recommendations. Nobody is going to say they want more restrictions especially after all the leaking of easing of them. Government got out ahead of them and it worked.

ACitizenErased · 26-11-2020 08:02PM

Seems there’s a strange idea on here that disagreeing with NPHETs decisions somehow makes you some sort of conspiracy theorist alcoholic.

People are allowed to disagree.
This is, believe it or not, a democracy.

podgeandrodge · 26-11-2020 08:03PM

What are NPHET ever really going to say? They're never going to say "Open the pubs" because that represents a health risk.

They are a one trick pony, which is their role. If they were asked to advise OUTSIDE of a pandemic they'd probably recommend shorter pub opening hours. They'd have to, because that's their remit.

Thankfully they are not public representatives, but advisors. Politicians, hopefully, see the bigger picture and the damage that would occur of they based all their decisions on the views of what is really an echo chamber.

BeefeaterHat · 26-11-2020 08:04PM

shinzon wrote: »

For a lockdown to work and I use lockdown in this instance in the loosest possible term people must adhere to it which this time they didnt, thats why the case numbers didnt go down to the exit target of 100 a day, tiredness complacency didnt bother there hole take your pick

Unless theres buy in then lockdown doesnt work simple as

Shin

Or maybe the fact hospitals are rampant with covid didn't help matters and NPHET and the HSE need to get their own houses in order before wagging the finger at the public, restaurants and pubs.

Beef

polesheep · 26-11-2020 08:04PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Government's job has been done by NPHET there this evening. The leaking of plans was there to gauge public opinion. Well the outpouring of anger to this NPHET recommendation can leave the government in no doubt that opinion has swung firmly against NPHET and further strong lockdown.

My FB and Twitter timeline is full of the layman complaining about the latest suggestion, the type that has followed the NPHET/RTE/MSM pro lockdown narrative to a tee so far. They've lost the dressing room, so to speak

I hope you are right.

Zebra3 · 26-11-2020 08:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

NPHET advised us to go to level 5 for six weeks and get the case numbers down to about 50 a day.

We followed that advice and the cost to the country is well in excess of 1.5 billion.

The lockdown hasn’t worked. There has been heavy restrictions in place in Dublin for months now and no major drop in cases.

Could it be that these lockdowns are hugely expensive and not really helping?

It’s almost like you’re suggesting accountability!!!

Not in Ireland, no way!!

MOR316 · 26-11-2020 08:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Seems there’s a strange idea on here that disagreeing with NPHETs decisions somehow makes you some sort of conspiracy theorist alcoholic.

People are allowed to disagree.
This is, believe it or not, a democracy.

Pipe down, rub a dub

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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