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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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    #8642
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I'll say it again. We were rushed into level 5 without giving level 3 enough time. And then later it turned out that level 3 was probably just fine.
    Some people were also against level 3. And the purpose of the restrictions wasn't just to find out what effect what levels would have, but also to prevent cases and save lives.

    If there's a fire in an apartment block, and you have two fire engines, you don't just send one 'to see if it can manage on its own', even though it might be useful info to have.


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    #8643
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,719 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Disagree. They’ve hooked onto some other country’s data to justify a ridiculous recommendation. It’s pure and utter power trip at this stage.

    That's fair enough and you're entitled disagree and criticise them as everyone else is. Issue I had was with the personalisation and personal abuse from some posters which achieves absolutely nothing but see most are now banned anyways.


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    #8644
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Blah blah blah exponential growth blah blah blah level 3 didnt work blah blah blah “end zone” blah blah

    You of all people should know how sensitive the case numbers are to a couple of tenths increase in the r number.

    It's not blah blah. It's basic math. We're currently at 200 per day. That is actually not far from an increase to 1,000 a day in a few weeks at all if too many measures are relaxed.


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    #8645
    frank8211
    Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    Anyone know what the hell has happened in Kilkenny and Tipperary to cause all those cases


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    #8646
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users Posts: 5,465 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Some people were also against level 3. And the purpose of the restrictions wasn't just to find out what effect what levels would have, but also to prevent cases and save lives.

    If there's a fire in an apartment block, and you have two fire engines, you don't just send one 'to see if it can manage on its own', even though it might be useful info to have.

    But its not a bloody fire. We were down to single figures and had all the time in the world for something with method. But we wouldnt stop tinkering and doing 3.5s and local here and bollix that. Dont turn the tv too loud. We f**** up again because the people in charge are fumblers.

    And now some people try to rewrite history and will have us in lockdown indefinitely.

    You couldnt make this sh1t up.


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    #8647
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Benimar wrote: »
    We first hit 1,000 cases on October 10th. 28 days earlier we had 196 cases.

    We have 300+ cases today. What’s 28 days time? Yep, Christmas Eve.

    It’s not impossible that if we open too much up we could hit 1,000 cases in a month.

    Canada's cases practically doubled after Thanksgiving holiday.


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    #8648
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Benimar wrote: »
    We first hit 1,000 cases on October 10th. 28 days earlier we had 196 cases.

    We have 300+ cases today. What’s 28 days time? Yep, Christmas Eve.

    It’s not impossible that if we open too much up we could hit 1,000 cases in a month.

    It's very possible unfortunately. Thinking otherwise is head in the sand type thinking.


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    #8649
    Open the Pubs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    I'd say NPHET saved and tacked on a couple hundred extra cases just for today. It's a running theme with them, usually do it whenever restrictions are to be lifted.


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    #8650
    UM1
    Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭UM1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Source for 1000 cases a day?
    MCConkey


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    #8651
    terenc
    Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭terenc


    A nation of FU*KING alcoholics.


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    #8652
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,639 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    terenc wrote: »
    A nation of FU*KING alcoholics.

    - who can’t go and sit down somewhere for a pizza ffs

    Alcohol is most definitely NOT the issue


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    #8653
    lausp
    Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭lausp


    frank8211 wrote: »
    Anyone know what the hell has happened in Kilkenny and Tipperary to cause all those cases

    Tipp had a big football win at the weekend. Not sure about Kilkenny but the castle park is rammed every weekend and the council have tables out to encourage people to get takeaway food etc, have to think this is encouraging people to meet.


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    #8654
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    terenc wrote: »
    A nation of FU*KING alcoholics.

    Bravo :rolleyes:


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    #8655
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    I’d say antisocial people, people who don’t like to go out and live their lives are absolutely loving lockdown. Finally they can fit in.


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    #8656
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users Posts: 5,465 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    terenc wrote: »
    A nation of FU*KING alcoholics.

    So people who want to re-open their business because they're running out of options or visit their family or go for a game of golf are now a nation of alcoholics.

    You guys are really losing the plot.


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    #8657
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    NPHET advised us to go to level 5 for six weeks and get the case numbers down to about 50 a day.

    We followed that advice and the cost to the country is well in excess of 1.5 billion.

    The lockdown hasn’t worked. There has been heavy restrictions in place in Dublin for months now and no major drop in cases.

    Could it be that these lockdowns are hugely expensive and not really helping?


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    #8658
    Open the Pubs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 396 ✭✭Open the Pubs


    UM1 wrote: »
    MCConkey

    He'll probably be on the Toy show tomorrow with George Lee, taking toys from the kids and telling them Santa isn't real.


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    #8659
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Blah blah blah exponential growth blah blah blah level 3 didnt work blah blah blah “end zone” blah blah
    You said things looked like they were tailing off at the end of September, when we had similar numbers to now, no?


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    #8660
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,719 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Open the Pubs wrote: »
    I'd say NPHET saved and tacked on a couple hundred extra cases just for today. It's a running theme with them, usually do it whenever restrictions are to be lifted.

    What makes you say that, Open The Pubs?


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    #8661
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    lausp wrote: »
    Tipp had a big football win at the weekend. Not sure about Kilkenny but the castle park is rammed every weekend and the council have tables out to encourage people to get takeaway food etc, have to think this is encouraging people to meet.

    That would be extremely quick for any football cases to be going through the system already


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    #8662
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    So people who want to re-open their business because they're running out of options or visit their family or go for a game of golf are now a nation of alcoholics.

    You guys are really losing the plot.

    Welcome to the covid inspired Taliban. Anyone who doesn't live like the dalai lama is scum.


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    #8663
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Source for 1000 cases a day?

    That's a bit rich, you trying to look for a source with some of the melodramatic and anti-science posts you have previously posted.


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    #8664
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The lockdown hasn’t worked. There has been heavy restrictions in place in Dublin for months now and no major drop in cases.

    Could it be that these lockdowns are hugely expensive and not really helping?
    Did you not say that level 3.5 had worked?


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    #8665
    thegreengoblin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I don't see any reason to lift restrictions in the current circumstances a part from loosening the family visits for Christmas day itself.

    Open things up now and by Christmas eve we will be dealing with well in excess of 1,000 cases per day.

    More people get the disease, more people will die.

    The government should have a proper understanding that eaten bread is soon forgotten and the public won't be forgiving for a heath catastrophe in January.

    They need to follow scientific advice and not the whims of cranks.

    No one will care about a missed Christmas on December 27th. And the same people, failing to understand the gravity of the situation, for wholly selfish reasons will be the same ones shouting against the govt about the fallout afterward.

    Don't make stupid decisions you'll regret.

    Catastrophe? You mean like the one we haven't actually had all year?


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    #8666
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,209 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    It's very possible unfortunately. Thinking otherwise is head in the sand type thinking.

    Thinking otherwise is called having an opinion which everyone is entitled to regardless of if it disagrees with yours. If everyone had the same thoughts it would be a boring world


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    #8667
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    NPHET advised us to go to level 5 for six weeks and get the case numbers down to about 50 a day.

    We followed that advice and the cost to the country is well in excess of 1.5 billion.

    The lockdown hasn’t worked. There has been heavy restrictions in place in Dublin for months now and no major drop in cases.

    Could it be that these lockdowns are hugely expensive and not really helping?

    The lockdown has worked to suppress cases, look at the ECDC incidence rate map that was released today, we're orange while the majority of Europe is in the red.


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    #8668
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,487 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Lee on RTÉ: "the numbers are not impressive, we're nowhere near the original target." Twist the knife George.

    A number that was never a realistic target. It was set up for failure


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    #8669
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    froog wrote: »
    hilarious people think NPHET are leaking and not a bunch of politicians who have proven form for leaks.

    BB19URTE.img?h=0&w=600&m=6&q=60&u=t&o=f&l=f&x=566&y=223

    Ronan Glynns wife works for RTE. RTE got the leak back in October just as Holohan came back and Big-Dicked Glynn days after he said no more restrictions needed.


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    #8670
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,565 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


      thegreengoblin wrote: »
      Catastrophe? You mean like the one we haven't actually had all year?

      Thanks to the national mitigation measures.

      We need to keep up the good work though and redouble the efforts.


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      #8671
      Ficheall
      Registered Users Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭Ficheall


      CalamariFritti wrote: »
      We were down to single figures and had all the time in the world for something with method. But we wouldnt stop tinkering and doing 3.5s and local here and bollix that.
      I don't fully remember, but I don't think we were in single figures when we went to 3.5 etc? I'm not saying that more/better couldn't have been done; I was just commenting on the "didn't wait and see if level 3.5 could do its job" argument.


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