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  • #1142
    NcdJd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    _Brian wrote: »
    Right, and he’s not going to talk it down even a little bit.

    Did you listen to the interview?


  • #1143
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,062 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    NcdJd wrote: »
    What did you think of the interview, according to the principle nothing was said about teachers feeling uncomfortable about what girls were wearing. It seems to me a story thats completely unsubstantiated and grew legs on social media over the weekend if you listened to what the principle said there this morning.

    I didn't think much of him.

    He said it was noticed by the teachers and remarked on. As the pupils have to wear the gear all day re covid that it wouldn't be an acceptable part of uniform.
    Then went on to blame social media for scandalous accusations.

    If he was the principal in my old tech he'd be shown what's what by the pupils fairly quick.


  • #1144
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,829 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    NcdJd wrote: »
    Did you listen to the interview?

    I didn’t


  • #1145
    NcdJd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    School's reputation is damaged either was I suppose. Should have called all students in whether boy or girl to remind them of the school's uniform policy.


  • #1146
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,037 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I heard some of the interview. I can see what the school wanted. There is as in all schools a uniform policy. Leggings are not part of it. I think this is something that has been blown out of proportion. Rules are rules


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  • #1147
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,829 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    NcdJd wrote: »
    School's reputation is damaged either was I suppose. Should have called all students in whether boy or girl to remind them of the school's uniform policy.

    Exactly.
    Anything should have been framed in that way.

    If there was talk if tight clothing and staff being distracted it’s very concerning and probably warrants further investigation.


  • #1148
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,037 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    _Brian wrote: »
    Exactly.
    Anything should have been framed in that way.

    If there was talk if tight clothing and staff being distracted it’s very concerning and probably warrants further investigation.
    There was no talk of staff being distracted. A story that grew wings


  • #1149
    White Clover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,212 ✭✭✭White Clover


    NcdJd wrote: »
    Did you listen to the interview?

    I heard it. I thought he explained very well what happened. He would have my support 100%


  • #1150
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,829 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    whelan2 wrote: »
    There was no talk of staff being distracted. A story that grew wings

    That’s interesting , a story to watch to see how it pans out.


  • #1151
    White Clover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,212 ✭✭✭White Clover


    NcdJd wrote: »
    School's reputation is damaged either was I suppose. Should have called all students in whether boy or girl to remind them of the school's uniform policy.

    He explained very well why this didn't happen. In my eyes the school did nothing wrong.


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  • #1152
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,829 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    White Clover wrote: »
    He explained very well why this didn't happen. In my eyes the school did nothing wrong.

    It will be interesting to see. I don’t think every girl in the school will have picked it up wrong or intentionally twisted what was said so surely as the day progresses things will become clearer.


  • #1153
    wrangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,815 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    _Brian wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see. I don’t think every girl in the school will have picked it up wrong or intentionally twisted what was said so surely as the day progresses things will become clearer.

    My schooldays were the start of miniskirts and there's no doubt the girls wore them to intimidate the male staff not distract, don't think it's much different now.
    Of course the rest of us were delighted
    A friends daughter was on about it and the staff pulling her up over dress and her comment was they shouldn't be looking,
    Surely it's a pert of discipline ....... no discipline, chaos


  • #1154
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    _Brian wrote: »
    Exactly.
    Anything should have been framed in that way.

    If there was talk if tight clothing and staff being distracted it’s very concerning and probably warrants further investigation.

    Investigate by questioning male teachers? I’d hate to be a male teacher in this school today and it will do nothing to promote males taking teaching as career.
    Rules were broken simple as.


  • #1155
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,829 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Tonynewholland wrote: »
    Investigate by questioning male teachers? I’d hate to be a male teacher in this school today and it will do nothing to promote males taking teaching as career.
    Rules were broken simple as.

    There’s no talk of rules being broken though.

    So our own school day or gear is T-shirt and shirts. But kids can’t change at the moment so are told to wear or gear all day, obviously they done wear T-shirt and shorts all day. Leggins and running gear is worn across the board.

    They were foolish to single girls out for this talk. That was the first mistake. Any manager with a brain knows not to single females out to talk to and let men off.

    I listened to the principle speaking,I’d like to hear the overall feedback from the girls in fairness, there will always be enough honest kids to tell exactly what was said. It’s not beyond the real of possibility that someone giving an assembly made a silly off the cuff remark that sparked this.


  • #1156
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    _Brian wrote: »
    There’s no talk of rules being broken though.

    So our own school day or gear is T-shirt and shirts. But kids can’t change at the moment so are told to wear or gear all day, obviously they done wear T-shirt and shorts all day. Leggins and running gear is worn across the board.

    They were foolish to single girls out for this talk. That was the first mistake. Any manager with a brain knows not to single females out to talk to and let men off.

    I listened to the principle speaking,I’d like to hear the overall feedback from the girls in fairness, there will always be enough honest kids to tell exactly what was said. It’s not beyond the real of possibility that someone giving an assembly made a silly off the cuff remark that sparked this.

    Yes they could have handled it better but hindsight is great. It started out as just another school talk on school rules now all over the media and in the Dail
    Tracksuits allowed leggings are not for obvious reasons
    If it’s sports day why not just wear tracksuits over the shorts and remove if they want


  • #1157
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,037 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    On the school's website it specifies tracksuit bottoms for pe. Leggings are not tracksuit bottoms.


  • #1158
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,829 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    whelan2 wrote: »
    On the school's website it specifies tracksuit bottoms for pe. Leggings are not tracksuit bottoms.

    Indeed.
    Hopefully so they conversation was about sticking to the uniform code and not the story that is circulating. Listening to a student on the radio there and I’m not so sure that’s what happened. There’s definitely a time that some at least feel body shamed by this and that’s straying into dangerous territory.

    At this stage a third Kett needs to be brought in and some clarification brought quickly to this. Either way innocent people’s reputations are being tarnished.

    We must always remember our history in Ireland, a group of adults saying nothing to see here move along doesn’t always mean there is nothing to see. If I were a teacher in the school I’d be pushing for proper clarity on this and a third party is the only way this will happen.

    While every group of kids can have those willing to cause trouble, it’s not all kids and there will always be enough honest kids to get a straight picture.

    I’d be hoping this is nothing but keeping an open mind until more information is out. Rumours of teachers having relationships with leaving cert students aren’t helping much either.


  • #1159
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,829 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    whelan2 wrote: »
    On the school's website it specifies tracksuit bottoms for pe. Leggings are not tracksuit bottoms.

    I can see allot of conversations in school offices about updating policies given current restrictions on changing areas etc.


  • #1160
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,829 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Ok it shouldn’t but this made me laugh

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  • #1161
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Not everybody may be aware of it, but there's an on-going thread in Help Desk that I would like to draw your attention to.

    The issue revolves around the acceptance in the Vegan & Vegetarian charter of the use of the word 'cruelty' in relation to animal farming.


    It is explained in the charter that as part of the Vegan belief system it has to be accepted in a forum dedicated to discussing Veganism.

    A farmer's view might be that such an inclusion in the charter opens the door for the smearing of the industry on a publicly accessible forum, albeit in a small section of the whole site.

    Any other inflammatory terms and offensive suggestions that could be used against animal farming are banned.


    This is obviously an awkward situation for the people who have to decide what goes in a charter and what doesn't, as there doesn't seem to be any middle ground.


    F&F moderators have already given their opinions in our mod forum so if you wish to add yours visit the thread here.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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  • #1162
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Panch18


    greysides wrote: »
    Not everybody may be aware of it, but there's an on-going thread in Help Desk that I would like to draw your attention to.

    The issue revolves around the acceptance in the Vegan & Vegetarian charter of the use of the word 'cruelty' in relation to animal farming.


    It is explained in the charter that as part of the Vegan belief system it has to be accepted in a forum dedicated to discussing Veganism.

    A farmer's view might be that such an inclusion in the charter opens the door for the smearing of the industry on a publicly accessible forum, albeit in a small section of the whole site.

    Any other inflammatory terms and offensive suggestions that could be used against animal farming are banned.


    This is obviously an awkward situation for the people who have to decide what goes in a charter and what doesn't, as there doesn't seem to be any middle ground.


    F&F moderators have already given their opinions in our mod forum so if you wish to add yours visit the thread here.

    Thanks for that Grey

    People should take a look at the link if you can

    I started the thread as I felt the change in charter was totally unnecessary and allowed a free for all on farmers with regards to cruelty

    If anyone wants to give me feedback via PM, whatever you think, rather than posting that’s good to

    Or you don’t have to do anything, that’s good to!!


  • #1163
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Just to say I've been and posted and said my own piece.

    However I've noted that the logic presented in support of a small group being given explicit permission to openly call all animal agriculture cruel and by extension all such farmers as participating in cruelty is seriously flawed.

    The idea seems to be that because (for example) the hunting forum states that hunting is ethically sound - then the v&v forum should be allowed to claim that farming is not.

    This ignores the essential point that one forum states that its own activities are legal and acceptable to its members and those who hunt etc.

    Whilst another forum demands the right to describe another sector (in this case farmers) as being perpetrators of cruelty without exception.

    Imo something not right there....


  • #1164
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,829 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Time was a fella would get a message when his comments were deleted.

    With the way boards is bending to the vegans it seems the loonatics are finally running the asylum


  • #1165
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,037 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Brought my jeep for the doe today. It was due in August but with covid was extended. Failed. With a very long list of things wrong. I would have been better off testing it in August as there wouldn't have been as much wrong with it then. They never commented about the tail light I cracked on it last week


  • #1166
    wrangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,815 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Brought my jeep for the doe today. It was due in August but with covid was extended. Failed. With a very long list of things wrong. I would have been better off testing it in August as there wouldn't have been as much wrong with it then. They never commented about the tail light I cracked on it last week

    You'd question the sense in letting them get shook/old alright. That's my story anyway, looking forward to seeing the new Hilux invincible here, haven't put the request into the board yet though. ;)


  • #1167
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,829 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    gozunda wrote: »
    Just to say I've been and posted and said my own piece.

    However I've noted that the logic presented in support of a small group being given explicit permission to openly call all animal agriculture cruel and by extension all such farmers as participating in cruelty is seriously flawed.

    The idea seems to be that because (for example) the hunting forum states that hunting is ethically sound - then the v&v forum should be allowed to claim that farming is not.

    This ignores the essential point that one forum states that its own activities are legal and acceptable to its members and those who hunt etc.

    Whilst another forum demands the right to describe another sector (in this case farmers) as being perpetrators of cruelty without exception.

    Imo something not right there....

    I suppose on the face of it boards.ie doesn’t really take the farming forum seriously. Look where it’s placed, in “society and culture” rather than business or somewhere more serious.


  • #1168
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,059 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    _Brian wrote: »
    I suppose on the face of it boards.ie doesn’t really take the farming forum seriously. Look where it’s placed, in “society and culture” rather than business or somewhere more serious.

    I remember discussion on that when the site was reorganised....I can't be certain, but I think it was put in Society and Culture due to it's community ethos.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • #1169
    NcdJd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    Anyone watching the Prime Time documentary about Patrick Russell ?... jaysus some boyo... would make the guy who was portrayed in Catch Me If You Can look like a petty thief...


  • #1170
    wrangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,815 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    NcdJd wrote: »
    Anyone watching the Prime Time documentary about Patrick Russell ?... jaysus some boyo... would make the guy who was portrayed in Catch Me If You Can look like a petty thief...

    The gardai that didn't touch him for twenty years are worse, they should be ashamed of themselves, they're a joke


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  • #1171
    Lime Tree Farm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    NcdJd wrote: »
    Anyone watching the Prime Time documentary about Patrick Russell ?... jaysus some boyo... would make the guy who was portrayed in Catch Me If You Can look like a petty thief...

    more worrying was why he was never prosecuted.


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