Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

SB71 · 24-11-2020 04:16PM

Lux23 wrote: »

They can't police it, but they could object to their licence renewal come September! Plus, if something was to happen such as a cluster linked to their premises, could they be liable and would their insurance cover them? I reckon they're more scared of their insurance companies than the Guards.

I personally think pubs should be the very last thing we should be considering opening, they are completely unessential.

If every single pub was to defy NPHET and open do you really think they would all lose their licence, there would be no pubs left then.

They might not be essential to you but tell that to the thousands of people who have lost their jobs and the thousands of people who are facing losing their jobs if pubs do not open again,are you happy to see people lose their jobs for no good reason?

Like talking to a brick wall trying to debate with the anti pub brigade.

SB71 · 24-11-2020 04:18PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

And two fingers up to every front-line worker, every medical professional, every cocooner, every person who has done their best for the past 8 months to contain this virus.........

Stop FFS your actually embarrassing yourself here, absolutely nonsensical rubbish.

No doubts your one of these pro NPHET shills who hang on every word Dr Death says,and believe everything your being drip fed by the government.

cadaliac · 24-11-2020 04:24PM

SB71 wrote: »

If every single pub was to defy NPHET and open do you really think they would all lose their licence, there would be no pubs left then.

They might not be essential to you but tell that to the thousands of people who have lost their jobs and the thousands of people who are facing losing their jobs if pubs do not open again,are you happy to see people lose their jobs for no good reason?

Like talking to a brick wall trying to debate with the anti pub brigade.

I'm pro pub.
Where would you stop. Pubs, nail bars ? Open the pubs and everyone else will also want to be open, and rightfully so. Open all the pubs and every tom dick and harry will fcuk it up for the rest of us. Uncontrollable pissups spilling out onto the streets - students having a field day us still stuck in the kitchen working until Paddy's day under a further lockdown looking out at the rain, let alone the frontline workers.
Look, I think that if SD was *properly* maintained and adhered to, yes, all pubs should open. Problem is, and everyone knows it, that if you did that before xmas, the place would go mental. If you think the 1 or 2 viral videos you saw last weekend were shocking, just wait until xmas week, what you will see will be a lot worse.

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 04:26PM

SB71 wrote: »

Stop FFS your actually embarrassing yourself here, absolutely nonsensical rubbish.

No doubts your one of these pro NPHET shills who hang on every word Dr Death says,and believe everything your being drip fed by the government.

I disagree so i'm a shill.

Classic!

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 04:29PM

SB71 wrote: »

Like talking to a brick wall trying to debate with the anti pub brigade.

Dude, it would serve you well to actually listen to the viewpoints of others.

Throwing anyone who disagrees with you into some sort of imaginary "Anti-Pub Brigade" does nothing for you or your arguments. That's the kind of Trumpian thinking that belongs over in the politics forum.

There is no Anti-Pub Brigade. There is a pandemic at the moment and people don't want the virus to spread. Leaving pubs open without restrictions in a scenario we're currently in would be unsafe.

99% of this thread would like to see pubs open with restrictions, just like they were before. that's the sensible approach.

All of the pubs opening simultaneously against the recommendations certianly is not the sensible approach.

SB71 · 24-11-2020 04:32PM

cadaliac wrote: »

I'm pro pub.
Where would you stop. Pubs, nail bars ? Open the pubs and everyone else will also want to be open, and rightfully so. Open all the pubs and every tom dick and harry will fcuk it up for the rest of us. Uncontrollable pissups spilling out onto the streets - students having a field day us still stuck in the kitchen working until Paddy's day under a further lockdown looking out at the rain, let alone the frontline workers.
Look, I think that if SD was *properly* maintained and adhered to, yes, all pubs should open. Problem is, and everyone knows it, that if you did that before xmas, the place would go mental. If you think the 1 or 2 viral videos you saw last weekend were shocking, just wait until xmas week, what you will see will be a lot worse.

Funny that didn't happen the last time pubs were open with the exception of a 20 second clip from Berlin bar if you really want to be pedantic.

Keeping pubs closed is wrong on so many levels, what you will then see is large groups on people in house parties and on the streets house parties are the real concern, or rather should be as opposed to the controlled environment of pubs , we're not taking abut late bars in Temple Bar anymore packed to the gills, we're talking 6 people to a table, and table service, sanitising stations everywhere,any pubs ive been in there hasnt been anyone dancing on the tables or nothing of the sort, just people enjoying the pints with their mates.

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 04:35PM

SB71 wrote: »

we're talking 6 people to a table, and table service, sanitising stations everywhere,any pubs ive been in there hasnt been anyone dancing on the tables or nothing of the sort, just people enjoying the pints with their mates.

But this is not what you're suggesting. You're suggesting that all the pubs just open because the Garda won't be able to close them all.

SB71 wrote: »

All pubs should just open, there's no way the garda could possibly police the whole lot

That's pretty irresponsible and anyone who does this deserves what they get.

All signs are pointing towards the pubs being allowed to open. The Govt are going to push for them not to only be allowed to open over Christmas but into the New Year too

So no need for alarmist posting. You'll be drinking pints next week!

SB71 · 24-11-2020 04:36PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Dude, it would serve you well to actually listen to the viewpoints of others.

Throwing anyone who disagrees with you into some sort of imaginary "Anti-Pub Brigade" does nothing for you or your arguments. That's the kind of Trumpian thinking that belongs over in the politics forum.

There is no Anti-Pub Brigade. There is a pandemic at the moment and people don't want the virus to spread. Leaving pubs open without restrictions in a scenario we're currently in would be unsafe.

99% of this thread would like to see pubs open with restrictions, just like they were before. that's the sensible approach.

All of the pubs opening simultaneously against the recommendations certainly is not the sensible approach.

Not a sensible approach and no evidence offered to the contrary sounds pretty much like a raw deal to me and victimisation of licensed premises.

There is very much an anti pub brigade,no just certain people on this forum but NPHET themselves are without question anti pub, Ireland has endured the longest lock down in all of Europe ,and without a shred of evidence being produced to show why, and you really think there is no anti pub brigade.

SB71 · 24-11-2020 04:37PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

I disagree so i'm a shill.

Classic!

Well it does appear you are pro NPHET, why else would you want pubs to remain closed for no good reason.

cadaliac · 24-11-2020 04:38PM

SB71 wrote: »

Funny that didn't happen the last time pubs were open with the exception of a 20 second clip from Berlin bar if you really want to be pedantic.

Keeping pubs closed is wrong on so many levels, what you will then see is large groups on people in house parties and on the streets house parties are the real concern, or rather should be as opposed to the controlled environment of pubs , we're not taking abut late bars in Temple Bar anymore packed to the gills, we're talking 6 people to a table, and table service, sanitising stations everywhere,any pubs ive been in there hasnt been anyone dancing on the tables or nothing of the sort, just people enjoying the pints with their mates.

Hey, I agree - none of the pubs I frequented had that going on either. But, it goes on and this is the reason they aren't allowed to open. The actions of so few is having this effect on all of us.

The other issue is only opening a few pubs (food or what ever they name it this time) and they will be booked out immediately. Open them all and you can spread out the amount of people per pub. Like I said, if the SD is enforced - no issues.

Fitz* · 24-11-2020 04:39PM

In my hometown, none of the pubs have capabilities of serving food. They have been open for about what, 3 or 4 weeks since March in a rural village. Empty most of the time when they opened. 7 or 8 people inside max.

Looks like it's driving to houses and house parties for Christmas then.

SB71 · 24-11-2020 04:41PM

cadaliac wrote: »

Hey, I agree - none of the pubs I frequented had that going on either. But, it goes on and this is the reason they aren't allowed to open. The actions of so few is having this effect on all of us.

The other issue is only opening a few pubs (food or what ever they name it this time) and they will be booked out immediately. Open them all and you can spread out the amount of people per pub. Like I said, if the SD is enforced - no issues.

All pubs should be allowed to open completely ensuring they have the required covid safety measures in place which no doubt they all would,unfortunately licences premises are up against the powerful monster that is NPHET who will never give any recommendation for them to open.

I wont get my hopes up, but we live in hope.

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 04:45PM

SB71 wrote: »

Well it does appear you are pro NPHET, why else would you want pubs to remain closed for no good reason.

Again, Trumpian tosh!

It would serve you best to not try to throw people into "Pro" this and "Anti" that segments and take them on the basis of what they are saying. There is no agenda.

I want pubs to be able to open. I want publicans to be able to do trade. I, selfishly, want to be able to have pints with my friends, family and even strangers. Especially at Christmas.

However, right now there is a virus that we trying to contain. We have tested out the opening of pubs before, with certain restrictions, and it was a roaring success. I think we should do that again. It would be the snesible and safe thing to do. It would allow people to be safe, would help reduce the risk of the virus spreading and would allow publicans to do business. It would also allow people to go back to work.

What I think is a bad idea is the one you set forward, where pubs just swing open their doors and dare the Garda to shut them down just to "put two fingers up to NPHET".

This is a short-term and antagonising approach.

SB71 · 24-11-2020 04:50PM

The most infuriating thing about all of this is is the complete lack of any sort of evidence ever produced, i don't think anyone would be arguing the toss half as much if it transpired that pubs were a cause of spike in case like meat factories, direct provision centres, schools,nursing homes, construction sites, house parties,etc,etc.

NPHET are effectively treating publicans with disdain, insulting peoples intelligence by constantly saying pubs are a dangerous place, the same as travel,but have failed to show any sort of evidence to back this up,it beggars belief that so called medical professionals can behave in this manner,and are still churning the same rubbish out.

SB71 · 24-11-2020 04:54PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Again, Trumpian tosh!

It would serve you best to not try to throw people into "Pro" this and "Anti" that segments and take them on the basis of what they are saying. There is no agenda.

I want pubs to be able to open. I want publicans to be able to do trade. I, selfishly, want to be able to have pints with my friends, family and even strangers. Especially at Christmas.

However, right now there is a virus that we trying to contain. We have tested out the opening of pubs before, with certain restrictions, and it was a roaring success. I think we should do that again. It would be the snesible and safe thing to do. It would allow people to be safe, would help reduce the risk of the virus spreading and would allow publicans to do business. It would also allow people to go back to work.

What I think is a bad idea is the one you set forward, where pubs just swing open their doors and dare the Garda to shut them down just to "put two fingers up to NPHET".

This is a short-term and antagonising approach.

A bit of a contradiction here, so what your saying now is you ARE in favour of pubs opening, so what's the problem then, why not fully support pubs to open next week along with the retail sector?

Christmas trade could make or break pubs, most of January is dead anyway so they arent likely to make any sort of profit, it's imperative they open for December , otherwise you'll have a situation where there are more pub closures for good, and more facing misery on the dole.

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 05:01PM

SB71 wrote: »

A bit of a contradiction here, so what your saying now is you ARE in favour of pubs opening, so what's the problem then......

What? I've said I want the pubs to be open on four different occasions on this thread in the last 24 hours.

MrStuffins wrote: »

I want pubs to be able to open. I want publicans to be able to do trade. I, selfishly, want to be able to have pints with my friends, family and even strangers. Especially at Christmas.

MrStuffins wrote: »

I'll be in the boozer, munching on Chicken Wings, skulling a few pints and hanging out with those close to me.

Cheer up lads. It's Christmas!

MrStuffins wrote: »

.......while the rest of us are enjoying our Christmas with a few Chicken Wings, Arthur G. and The Fairytale of New York! Can't wait!

MrStuffins wrote: »

I'm for allowing the pubs to open with restrictions. The ones that were in before are fine. Let's go again!

Again, I want to pubs to be able to open. We were able to do it successfully before. Why can't we do it again?

SB71 · 24-11-2020 05:11PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

What? I've said I want the pubs to be open on four different occasions on this thread in the last 24 hours.

Again, I want to pubs to be able to open. We were able to do it successfully before. Why can't we do it again?

well then my apologies i clearly didn't see this until your last post.

Well let's hope they follow through on this, sadly i cant see it.

SAMTALK · 24-11-2020 05:22PM

The majority of people want pubs open for Christmas but whilst most people will do the sitting at table etc an awful lot of people will not do this and let's not pretend otherwise

12 pubs of Christmas ? Do you think some will not still partake of this and there are a lot of publicans who will not turn away customers that are mad to spend money ( understandably)
People who havent seen each other in a few months and get together. A few drinks later all caution gone

Such an outcry about pubs (and concern for the publicans) .. there are a lot more business affected , Hairdressers. Barbers, Beautician. Hotels etc

Before I'm attacked, no I don't think we should still be in level 5 next week. It's clearly not working because people are not listening anymore and have had enough. I travel to work everyday and the difference between 1st lockdown and this is unreal. Traffic busy as normal.,

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 05:30PM

SB71 wrote: »

well then my apologies i clearly didn't see this until your last post.

Well let's hope they follow through on this, sadly i cant see it.

No problem at all.

Just an example of looking at the content of posts and opinions instead of throwing people into some "Anti-Pub Brigade".

I think the pubs will open in some guise this Christmas. Let's hope so!

Open the Pubs · 24-11-2020 05:32PM

I thought my username would be obsolete by now! Hopefully we catch a break this week with the decisions.

Open the Pubs · 24-11-2020 05:34PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

No problem at all.

Just an example of looking at the content of posts and opinions instead of throwing people into some "Anti-Pub Brigade".

I think the pubs will open in some guise this Christmas. Let's hope so!

You looking forward to creamy Christmas pints MrStuffins :P

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 05:41PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

You looking forward to creamy Christmas pints MrStuffins :P

Only the creamiest and most delicious

LuasSimon · 24-11-2020 05:50PM

Fitz* wrote: »

In my hometown, none of the pubs have capabilities of serving food. They have been open for about what, 3 or 4 weeks since March in a rural village. Empty most of the time when they opened. 7 or 8 people inside max.

Looks like it's driving to houses and house parties for Christmas then.

Gardai should be stopping those house parties . Selfish gits trying to ruin all the good work , can people not wait until the new year for a few drinks .

miece16 · 24-11-2020 05:52PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Gardai should be stopping those house parties . Selfish gits trying to ruin all the good work , can people not wait until the new year for a few drinks .

i've been waiting 10 months to have a few sociable drinks with friends. I'll be doing it this xmas with friends.

LuasSimon · 24-11-2020 06:06PM

It looks like restaurants and pubs wont be in the reopening next tuesday December 1st, retail barbers, gyms etc just.
Restaurants and gastro pubs from Monday December 14th would then make sense, hopefully it will only be pubs that genuinely had a Food trade always. Most Dublin pubs have a genuine food offering. All temple bar pubs do food likewise grafton street etc bar Mcdaids and grogans.

MrStuffins · 24-11-2020 06:08PM

miece16 wrote: »

i've been waiting 10 months to have a few sociable drinks with friends. I'll be doing it this xmas with friends.

Why did you wait until now? Why not before?

Scoundrel · 24-11-2020 06:13PM

So it'll be outdoor only till the 14th and the the 9 euro nonsense after that?

hynesie08 · 24-11-2020 06:14PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

It looks like restaurants and pubs wont be in the reopening next tuesday December 1st, retail barbers, gyms etc just.
Restaurants and gastro pubs from Monday December 14th would then make sense, hopefully it will only be pubs that genuinely had a Food trade always. Most Dublin pubs have a genuine food offering. All temple bar pubs do food likewise grafton street etc bar Mcdaids and grogans.

I don't believe Tony is leading an evil cabal against pubs, but this is sheer stupidity, that means there will be 1 weekend where pubs can open before Christmas, that's just asking for trouble......

BringBackMick · 24-11-2020 06:16PM

Another person on the radio anti pub/ restaurant with absolutely no evidence.

BringBackMick · 24-11-2020 06:17PM

'studies are emerging'

None referenced!

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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