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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • #1352
    what_traffic
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Of course, it's immediately qualified by saying effectively that cyclists aren't the only transport mode you know and they have to be balanced against all the others. He's been doing this faux balance trick for years, while every time he pops up he's there to undermine active travel initiatives, or even pubic transport.

    RTE's goto "Automobile Association" man is very clever.


  • #1353
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Of course, it's immediately qualified by saying effectively that cyclists aren't the only transport mode you know and they have to be balanced against all the others. He's been doing this faux balance trick for years, while every time he pops up he's there to undermine active travel initiatives, or even pubic transport.

    You often hear too how a 2 lane road is being converted into a 1 lane + cycle lane but this is a lie most of the time as your average city street is 4 lanes wide so it's 2 for parked cars + 1 for moving and 1 for cycling sits not 50/50 it's a 3 to 1 ratio


  • #1354
    Type 17
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    Fixed that quote in the RTE press release:
    The other reality is that there is now less road space for vehicles.
    The other reality is that there is now less road space for motor vehicles.

    The road space remains the same.


  • #1355
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,908 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    A lot of the roads I use in my daily routes have exactly the same space for cars as before. The cars just can't park on the cycle track very easily anymore, and they have to slow down slightly to turn off the main road now, as the turning has been made more right-angled. Oh, the humanity!!


  • #1356
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Seemingly it is Road Safety Week in the UK (apparently it was a week ago here but I don't recall anything about it :rolleyes:)
    Anyhow, it is nice to see a police force regard close passing as it should be
    https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1328281713785643009

    Some of the rplies to the police are as expected but it's nice to see the police respond smartly...

    https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1328352634806398977

    https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1328328764040876039

    https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1328284250483924992

    https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1328296221828591621

    https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1328290725533011970

    https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1328284056593833984

    ...and of course, there are always those who are just completely lost...
    https://twitter.com/northumbriapol/status/1328289706208092163


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  • #1357
    Wildly Boaring
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    Now that is policing we could all get along with


  • #1358
    AndrewJRenko
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    he's there to undermine active travel initiatives, or even pubic transport.

    He's actually there to sell car insurance and protect the AA sweetheart deal with RTE for AA Roadwatch.

    He doesn't represent anyone.


  • #1359
    magicbastarder
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    Cycling brain injury: ‘I can’t put my 51-year-old husband in a nursing home. I think he’d die’
    Last New Year’s Eve, when midnight struck to welcome in 2020, Tara Dalton kissed her husband Des Vallely and said “it can’t be any worse than last year” – because his widowed father had died in 2019.
    A week later, their lives fell apart.
    On the morning of January 8th, hours after Des had dropped their two children to their national school in south Dublin, he suffered catastrophic brain injuries in a fall from his electric bike in the city centre.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/cycling-brain-injury-i-can-t-put-my-51-year-old-husband-in-a-nursing-home-i-think-he-d-die-1.4404426


  • #1360
    Thelonious Monk
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    I'm moving to Northumbria


  • #1361
    Doc07
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    I'm moving to Northumbria

    ‘Do you know the number of cyclists who collided with a vehicle and led to the serious injury or death of the driver? It's zero.

    Don't use a minority of cyclists behaving inappropriately to excuse the behaviour of drivers seriously injuring and killing cyclists on the road.’

    Great reply by the police twitter. Would be handy to keep on phone and have ready to text in to RTE/Newstalk etc every time


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  • #1362
    [Deleted User]
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    Favorite part of that series of tweets was "As it stands, 77 per cent of submissions result in action being taken against drivers"


  • #1363
    Doc07
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    Doc07 wrote: »
    Will try and watch PT tonight to see this. AA road watch Conor Faughnan’s useful quote
    "Every time someone chooses to bike, it pays the city in terms of pressure on public transport and on road space,‘
    It’s buried way down the RTÉ webpage piece but hopefully this gets stated prominently tonight

    Ah did they f&ck!


  • #1364
    Grassey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    https://consult.sdublincoco.ie/en/consultation/cysd-cycle-south-dublin-programme-work
    Cycle South Dublin is an ambitious programme of work that reflects the increasing importance of making cycling a realistic and integral part of how people move around the County. It proposes a set of 41 projects that would deliver nearly 210km of new and improved cycle lanes over the next ten years.

    Please make a submission on the plan, it's a short survey for. SDCC. I'll remain optimistic it all gets delivered...

    A really well done booklet on it.
    https://consult.sdublincoco.ie/en/system/files/materials/5579/66774%20SDCC%20Cycle%20Draft%20Strategy%20A4%20Landscape.pdf


  • #1365
    Breezer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    the main junction at phibsboro needs redesigning, they should make the left lane explicit left turn only (except for buses) - you get people running up the inside who want to go straight on, and all that happens is that they then block the lane when an explicit left turn only is signalled.
    The’ve changed the signalling now, so that the left turn and straight ahead arrows come on at the same time, and the green man is a 4 way red light for vehicles. This junction could certainly do with being made more cycling friendly, but it’s an improvement on what it was.
    MisterJinx wrote: »
    Constitution hill is one of the few places where I will purposefully cycle on the path as it's simply too dangerous with the busses and cars all fighting to claim the space in the 2 lanes and then back into one lane at the turn off in Broadstone. Haven't seen the new cycle lane but it was very much needed there.

    Yes, it used to be absolutely mad, and the surface was atrocious as well. I used to take the lane the whole way up and most of the way down. The new cycle lane is a big improvement, except they keep adding bits on to it. There’s new concrete kerbs for protection, which is fine, except the gaps in them are far too small to allow for entry and exit when overtaking slower cyclists. Then they put wands on top of these. I’m expecting Checkpoint Charlie to be installed next week. Thankfully it’s a short enough section and it’s still a big improvement on what it was before.

    The other issue is the bus stop is still blocking the lane going uphill, but it’s not a particularly frequent bus using it (I think it’s just the 83).


  • #1366
    zell12
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    TheJournal.ie - Cyclist (40s) seriously injured in Tipperary collision
    Gardai are appealing for witnesses to a “serious” single-vehicle road traffic collision involving a bicycle today at Sarsfield Street, Nenagh
    Does this mean the cyclist is the 'single-vehicle'?
    Apparently so
    TippFM - Cyclist sustains serious injuries in Nenagh
    At about 3.20pm this afternoon, the man, who’s in his 40s, was cycling down Sarsfield Street and it’s understood he lost control of his bike.


  • #1367
    Cabaal
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    zell12 wrote: »
    TheJournal.ie - Cyclist (40s) seriously injured in Tipperary collision

    Does this mean the cyclist is the 'single-vehicle'?
    Apparently so
    TippFM - Cyclist sustains serious injuries in Nenagh

    So a cyclist can loose control of a bike, but t h e media ok ften reports on cars as if they are self driving when they crash


  • #1368
    TheChizler
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    So a cyclist can loose control of a bike, but t h e media ok ften reports on cars as if they are self driving when they crash
    Ah no, they often defend drivers who cause an accident by losing control. It's just one of those things that can't be helped apparently, especially when speeding.


  • #1369
    breezy1985
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    TheChizler wrote: »
    Ah no, they often defend drivers who cause an accident by losing control. It's just one of those things that can't be helped apparently, especially when speeding.

    Driver hits a traffic island and the inanimate object is dangerous. Driver crashes on a country road and the road is dangerous. Too fast over a speed bump and the speed bump is dangerous


  • #1370
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Nimby-ism from the Village mag :rolleyes:...

    https://twitter.com/VillageMagIRE/status/1329378731668987906?s=19


  • #1371
    Stark
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    What does "intact stretch" mean? :confused:


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  • #1372
    Seth Brundle
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    Stark wrote: »
    What does "intact stretch" mean? :confused:
    I presume it refers to having parking spots :rolleyes:


  • #1373
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,172 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    AA Roadwash twitter satire account always gives me a good laugh.

    https://twitter.com/aaroadwash/status/1329377272307064836


  • #1374
    Stark
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    As an aside, I cycled that stretch this morning with the cycle lane obviously out of action due to the works. Got a reminder of just how dangerous that stretch was before the segregated cycle lane was put in place.


  • #1375
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Stark wrote: »
    What does "intact stretch" mean? :confused:

    What's a low grade concrete curb and why is it a problem.

    Also you would think village magazine would know better than to join a pile on of stupid trope twitter posts


  • #1376
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,214 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    UK professor calls for road closures over Christmas to encourage cyclists and pedestrians to exercise
    Professor Gabriel Scally, a member of the Scientifc Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) argued that the measures should be introduced as part of the fight against COVID-19.
    "We should try to spend [Christmas] as much outdoors as we can, weather permitting, walking, cycling. The councils should be closing streets and roads so people can get space and opening up new green space for them to be outside."


  • #1377
    Breezer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    zell12 wrote: »
    UK professor calls for road closures over Christmas to encourage cyclists and pedestrians to exercise

    I’m a big fan of Gabriel Scally generally. I think he’s completely right regarding most of what he says about COVID. He’s risking losing the room with this though. There’s already going to be unpopular restrictions of one kind or another over Christmas. No matter how well intentioned, this suggestion will wind people up, and make them less likely to listen to him regarding COVID generally.

    Edit several hours later: OK I’ve since had my dinner, and this doesn’t sound like such a bad idea anymore


  • #1378
    Breezer
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    What's a low grade concrete curb and why is it a problem.

    It’s a concrete curb with a tiny gap before the next concrete kerb, preventing me overtaking people on Dublin bikes, and Deliveroo cyclists on their phones. See my Constitution Hill post :P

    To be fair, the cycle track on the quays is much wider and I think they’ll work well there.


  • #1379
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Nimby-ism from the Village mag :rolleyes:...

    https://twitter.com/VillageMagIRE/status/1329378731668987906?s=19
    Reading the Village's replies to comments in the Twitter thread would make you wonder about any accuracy in their journalism


  • #1380
    [Deleted User]
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Nimby-ism from the Village mag :rolleyes:...

    https://twitter.com/VillageMagIRE/status/1329378731668987906?s=19

    Well they're getting slaughtered in the responses so that's good


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  • #1381
    tomasrojo
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    Breezer wrote: »
    It’s a concrete curb with a tiny gap before the next concrete kerb, preventing me overtaking people on Dublin bikes, and Deliveroo cyclists on their phones. See my Constitution Hill post :P


    I have to keep pulling over on my cargo bike to let people past on the new ones on the Clonskeagh Road.

    I'm still in favour of them though, based on my experience so far, but I'm going to have trouble with the angry high-velocity commuter cyclists when things get less Level 5.


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