Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Cluedo Monopoly wrote:

The medical dictatorship in Ireland is getting some hammering on the radio and TV lately. The tide certainly is turning against NPHET.

It's people who haven't any foresight who are against them. I'm happy to live safely until we have a vaccine and can get back to a real normal.

Cork2021 wrote: »

A positive message? You know something like to boost morale within the country but they don’t seem to be capable of that. I’ll go back to late June when we had 3/4 cases a day and no deaths but they were still very concerned. No wonder people switched off

But the thing is they do say positive things in the briefings. Professor Nolan was pointing out that while the numbers have stalled that, relative to where we were, that's an amazing achievement and indicates a huge effort and sacrifice.

Tony Holohan talked at length about how were one of the best performing countries in Europe in terms of incidence of the virus and once acknowledged that it was down to huge public effort. They do thank the public and acknowledge the efforts A LOT. Seriously, next time look out for it - you'll be surprised.

Both of them were insistent that we can reduce the incidence further with sustained efforts over the next two weeks - at no time did they paint a negative outcome as a foregone conclusion.

A morale boost? A morale boost was surely saying to people, come on, we need to redouble our efforts and try to bring this thing down to a manageable and sustainable level for December - they've always led with the message that this can be achieved by people being proactive and they've never been fatalistic in their message about this.

What else can they say? Relax lads, we're doing well, everybody forget about restrictions? Is that what people want to hear - great, but it isn't true. They simply have to keep on message about sticking to the advice.

Okay, I'll admit that the pressers aren't laugh a minute and there are a lot of sentences prefaced with the words "Don't", "Can't" or "Shouldn't" - but there's always nuance and praise, alongside the advice, in what they say.

Arghus wrote: »

But the thing is they do say positive things in the briefings. Professor Nolan was pointing out that while the numbers have stalled that, relative to where we were, that's an amazing achievement and indicates a huge effort and sacrifice.

Tony Holohan talked at length about how were one of the best performing countries in Europe in terms of incidence of the virus and once acknowledged that it was down to huge public effort. They do thank the public and acknowledge the efforts A LOT. Seriously, next time look out for it - you'll be surprised.

Both of them were insistent that we can reduce the incidence further with sustained efforts over the next two weeks - at no time did they paint a negative outcome as a foregone conclusion.

A morale boost? A morale boost was surely saying to people, come on, we need to redouble our efforts and try to bring this thing down to a manageable and sustainable level for December - they've always led with the message that this can be achieved by people being proactive and they've never been fatalistic in their message about this.

What else can they say? Relax lads, we're doing well, everybody forget about restrictions? Is that what people want to hear - great, but it isn't true. They simply have to keep on message about sticking to the advice.

Okay, I'll admit that the pressers aren't laugh a minute and there are a lot of sentences prefaced with the words "Don't", "Can't" or "Shouldn't" - but there's always nuance and praise, alongside the advice, in what they say.

How is it an amazing achievement to reduce case numbers in a Level 5 lockdown?

I know it's an incredibly childish reaction, literally the definition of petulance and immature lashing out, and it's probably just because he's the visible public face of the whole thing but..

I'd really like to do a big open hand slap down on top of Tony holohans stupid bald head. Not even particularly hard, and it would be a mostly comedic moment.

Just can't wait to not have to see his sour face on every bit of media.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Heavily front loaded with the death rate with Covid ..

Fact is the IFR is rapidly decreasing and verging toward flu - new paper was stating around 0.14% IFR for CV19 - flu is ~0.1% .. other papers are showing around 0.2% ... Covid is more dangerous - but not as more as originally thought.

Facts are flu is MORE dangerous for kids then covid - check the numbers.
About the same for young healthy adults and a lot worse for older compromised people - and these accounts for vast majority of deaths...

I know that dissapoints people like you, but these are the facts!!

FFS, that is exactly what I am talking about.
2000 US citizens are going to be dead in 24 hours today from COVID19. So are you saying there is going to be a similar number of deaths from flu today in the US because of this "vergency"?

Some people really need to grow up and be mature and patient.

Nphet are advising Gov, so Gov are taking their advice. Bring your anger back to Gov now.

But it’s really not worth it anymore, the myriad of vaccines is trundling towards us. Might not be tomorrow. But it is giving people a lot of hope.

Bide your time, be the adult in the room and look forward to a Covid free future.

niallo27 wrote: »

Or open up a I love Tony and thou shalt not ever question nphet for yourself.

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prunudo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1329496235431129094?s=09

This is a perfect example of my issue with Tony Holahan and his messaging.
We have health care, schools, construction, manufacturing, some retail and a limited public transport. Yet he is blaming busy roads as proof that we're not doing our bit.
He just fires out remarks without realising that there are plenty of people who have genuine reasons to be doing whatever his latest gripe is.
All that does is alienate your audience and people just loose interest in what he has to say.

He made a complete hames of this....totally agree.

Arghus wrote: »

Well we're in a level 5 lockdown now and the numbers have levelled off, so it isn't a foregone conclusion that numbers will fall away to nothing even at level 5 - you still need a basic buy in from people limiting their contacts etc, etc and that's what Nolan was acknowledging, to go from 1200 cases a day to 400, is, regardless of the level of lockdown, built on people making individual decisions to do the right thing to try to contain the virus - and that does involve sacrifice. He acknowledged that.

I think they call them restrictions more so than individual decisions.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Some people really need to grow up and be mature and patient.

Nphet are advising Gov, so Gov are taking their advice. Bring your anger back to Gov now.

But it’s really not worth it anymore, the myriad of vaccines is trundling towards us. Might not be tomorrow. But it is giving people a lot of hope.

Bide your time, be the adult in the room and look forward to a Covid free future.

It just annoys me that when when somebody actually puts up some real information on COVID19, these keyboard warriors scramble with their calculators to come up with these ~0.1% ~0.2% statistics in an attempt to disprove it that mean absolutely nothing. And then half a dozen people thank them as if they were experts in something.

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

You are arguing against yourself now.

Rubbish in rubbish out? Yet swabs have always been a percentage above cases. Since day one they have matched each other in that regard.

You seem to believe there should be no correlation yet all the data produced over the last 8 months confirms there is.

You need to go back to the drawing board.

There’s a difference of 500 per month, all the cute graphs and circle jerking number guessing doesn’t change the actual numbers.

Some days there might be a correlation that gives an impression that they match but the reality is different.

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alice14 wrote: »

I’m a healthcare worker in a large Dublin hospital and although I don’t agree with a lot of what is said on this thread the current situation is a sh*tshow where I work. Outbreaks on multiple wards over the last month to 6 weeks and not improving. Most of our covid cases were hospital acquired, I’d say about 60% . Mass testing happens on wards with outbreaks but it’s too late by then, and it seems to spread like wildfire.

I think people people in the community aren’t being as careful as during lockdown number 1 and that’s resulting in increased cases but it’s not the whole story. And I don’t seem nphet/ HSE suggesting what they are going to do differently to solve the hospital issue because what they’re doing at the moment isn’t working.

I've a nearby neighbour who had elective surgery cancelled twice. The last one was scheduled for today and they called and told her it was cancelled again "because of covid, because there are no beds" - I quote because that's what I am told she was told. Could this be related to your point? Do they want to keep people away from hospital unless absolutely necessary, because of these hospital outbreaks? So what they should have said was, "your surgery is cancelled because here is a clusterfúck at the moment and we don't want you to get covid".

Hellrazer wrote: »

If you mean NPHET -NPHET shouldn't be delivering any messages - ever.

Our elected representatives should be delivering the messages they received from NPHET as NPHET work for them and in a round about way for every citizen in the country.

NPHET should not be releasing statements at all. Especially not the CMO who threw all those women involved in the cervical cancer to the wolves. Hes scum and shouldn't be involved in the health of the public at all.

Remember he was the one who advised AGAINST a review of the cervical cancer screening programme.
We`ve very short memories here in Ireland.

Have you seen our elected representatives trying to deliver a message as of late in regards to our strategy and aims for fighting this pandemic? They're usually chaotic and incoherent. The abiding impression is that they don't really know what they are doing or even why they are doing it.

If you say they should deliver the message they receive from NPHET then I'd rather hear it from the horse's mouth, who can usually deliver that message with a semblance of logic and authority.

I think what may have occurred with cervical check is a completely separate issue to what we are dealing with here. It doesn't automatically invalidate the merits of NPHET's role in fighting Covid 19 or even making public pronouncements - but incidentally, Gabriel Sally, who wrote the report into the scandal, has been in complete agreement with NPHET's advice and approach through this.