Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

MOR316 · 19-11-2020 07:48PM

Gotten to a point where health is my 2nd priority now.

My number one priority now is getting that insect, George Lee, off the TV

davemckenna25 · 19-11-2020 07:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes there is, by yesterday evening 221 healthcare workers in University Hospital Limerick were identified as having Covid. All originating from a single cluster. Why the journalists present won't address this beggars belief.

I do believe its 221 are off work due to covid19. Some are off due to testing positive and some are off due to be deemed close contacts. Not 221 positive cases in staff.
Lets stick to the facts.

mloc123 · 19-11-2020 07:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

George Lee is a grovelling cretin. Stealing a living.

Remember when he went into politics... for 6 months

Allinall · 19-11-2020 07:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

George Lee is a grovelling cretin. Stealing a living.

Everyone is stealing a living, according to boards.

caveat emptor · 19-11-2020 07:51PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah thats what I'm saying, probably a bit more stringent who gets in after that

It's the only gig in town at the moment. The tickets must be like gold dust.

Seriously though there is a conflict of interest in terms of the HSE representation on NPHET. They won't be going out of their way to draw attention to hospitals. Dr Tony mentioned that people were going to work while ill in healthcare settings when they were clearly not well.

That's a bit of a deflection. I'm sure you do get people like that but outbreaks on wards are only sourced from this. HSE is not an organisation known for rewarding whistleblowers.

Edit: Having read the Irish times article posted below they are acknowledging it and trying to fix it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/a-further-four-deaths-from-covid-19-and-429-new-cases-recorded-1.4413946

Earlier, new figures from the HSE were presented which showed hospital-acquired cases of Covid-19 increased by more than 160 per cent in the first week of this month, with 100 patients contracting the virus in acute hospitals in one week alone.
Health officials have warned that outbreaks in health care settings are of particular concern moving into the winter period.
At the weekly HSE briefing on Thursday afternoon, Martin Cormican, national lead for associated infection and antimicrobial resistance, said there were 38 incidences of patients acquiring Covid-19 while in hospital the week ending November 1st, and this rose to 100 in the week ending November 8th.
Prof Cormican said preventing the spread of infection in hospitals “is always hard” because it is a setting which requires “intense person-to-person interaction”.
“When a hospital has an outbreak you can get a large number of cases in a very short space of time. We know that Letterkenny, Limerick and Naas have been struggling with large outbreaks and so the numbers came up quite quickly,” he said.

Prof Cormican added that healthcare workers are asked to clean their hands 10 times an hour and that “one lapse in a 12-hour shift can spread infection”.

“Nobody is happy about the number going up, we’re not saying anyone is to blame, but we, as the HSE, are responsible and we are going to do everything we can to get those numbers better,” he added.

rob316 · 19-11-2020 07:51PM

Dec 1st open up and no more NPHET media briefings please. We shouldn't be giving this lot the time of day.

prunudo · 19-11-2020 07:52PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

I do believe its 221 are off work due to covid19. Some are off due to testing positive and some are off due to be deemed close contacts. Not 221 positive cases in staff.
Lets stick to the facts.

Yes, and while I haven't seen numbers for Vincents, I believe it was the same there. A department (could be more than one) having to close due to a combination of some staff testing positive and other staff having to self isolate.

KrustyUCC · 19-11-2020 07:53PM

Date Announced Swabs
19 429 390
18 379 389
17 366 364
16 456 491
15 378 374
14 456 388
13 482 523
12 395 423
11 362 418
10 270 284
9 270 327
8 542 315
7 335 428
6 499 502
5 591 450
4 444 617
3 322 391
2 767 394
1 552 539
31 416 674
30 772 684
29 866 783
28 675 657
27 720 535
26 939 738
25 1025 922
24 859 975
23 777 1036
22 1066 1035
21 1167 1112
20 1269 905

18846 18063

783

ACitizenErased · 19-11-2020 07:53PM

The CMO really isn’t helping end all this antivax ****e by constantly downplaying the vaccine

19-11-2020 07:54PM

I haven't watched this in a long time, but happen to be working at my desk right now so turned to the presser.

Jesus Christ. It just goes on and and on and on and on and on. Repeating the same stuff over and over. With sycophantic journos asking questions that have already been answered.

Is it seriously like this every time? What a waste of everybody's time

bikeman1 · 19-11-2020 07:55PM

Whatever about the stuff coming out from Dr Doom, 2nd best in Europe and still miserable and downbeat.

But who are those people asking questions? Certainly not journalists? The most useless bunch of questions that could be asked. It’s like they are getting their ideas from their Instagram or Twitter, oh wait they are.

No tough questions whatsoever. What happened to go old investigating questions.

Lee was a laugh, oooh ahhh that’s a striking graph ooh aahhh

irishguy1983 · 19-11-2020 07:56PM

What do people want NPHET/govt to do? Genuine question....I just see a lot of people complaining about numbers but not really sure what they want to actually happen....

giveitholly · 19-11-2020 07:58PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

What do people want NPHET/govt to do? Genuine question....I just see a lot of people complaining about numbers but not really sure what they want to actually happen....

Be more transparent about what is going on in hospitals would be one thing and stop blaming house parties and takeaway pints for these outbreaks

prunudo · 19-11-2020 07:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The CMO really isn’t helping end all this antivax ****e by constantly downplaying the vaccine

As I've said before its like they don't understand human behaviours or how words and actions can sometimes have unintended consequences.

stephenjmcd · 19-11-2020 08:00PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It's the only gig in town at the moment. The tickets must be like gold dust.

Seriously though there is a conflict of interest in terms of the HSE representation on NPHET. They won't be going out of their way to draw attention to hospitals. Dr Tony mentioned that people were going to work while ill in healthcare settings when they were clearly not well.

That's a bit of a deflection. I'm sure you do get people like that but outbreaks on wards are only sourced from this. HSE is not an organisation known for rewarding whistleblowers.

Yeah would agree with all of that really.

The HSE representation hadn't really crossed my mind until you mentioned it there and that makes sense, why draw attention to ourselves, group it all under work places, a very general term

Benimar · 19-11-2020 08:00PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Date Announced Swabs
19 429 390
18 379 389
17 366 364
16 456 491
15 378 374
14 456 388
13 482 523
12 395 423
11 362 418
10 270 284
9 270 327
8 542 315
7 335 428
6 499 502
5 591 450
4 444 617
3 322 391
2 767 394
1 552 539
31 416 674
30 772 684
29 866 783
28 675 657
27 720 535
26 939 738
25 1025 922
24 859 975
23 777 1036
22 1066 1035
21 1167 1112
20 1269 905

18846 18063

783

In the 15 days prior to that swabs were 857 higher. It all comes out in the wash.

They might be delaying the numbers (I still don't think its deliberate) but they aren't creating cases.

froog · 19-11-2020 08:01PM

prunudo wrote: »

As I've said behaviour its like they don't understand human behaviours or how words and actions can sometimes have unintended consequences.

like for example saying we've a vaccine, we're all saved leading to people completely disregarding all current public health measures months before we actually get it?

19-11-2020 08:02PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The CMO really isn’t helping end all this antivax ****e by constantly downplaying the vaccine

Do you have trouble understanding? The vaccine will not be in play until next year. Of course he must down play if idiots are think it is reason to forget the rules NOW

martingriff · 19-11-2020 08:02PM

rob316 wrote: »

Dec 1st open up and no more NPHET media briefings please. We shouldn't be giving this lot the time of day.

I do agree there should be no press briefing but then what no number at all only at weekends, Imagine if you hear instead 400 you hear 2800. Lets just ignore it nothing to see here

Arghus · 19-11-2020 08:02PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Be more transparent about what is going on in hospitals would be one thing and stop blaming house parties and takeaway pints for these outbreaks

But there's never going to be a situation, even if we are down to 50 cases a day, where they won't be conveying the same message: limit your contacts etc, etc - that's the message, it isn't going to change.

froog · 19-11-2020 08:03PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

What do people want NPHET/govt to do? Genuine question....I just see a lot of people complaining about numbers but not really sure what they want to actually happen....

they want them to align with whatever armchair epidemiology they've scribbled on the back of a fag packet that day. when that doesn't happen they get upset.

caveat emptor · 19-11-2020 08:03PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Be more transparent about what is going on in hospitals would be one thing and stop blaming house parties and takeaway pints for these outbreaks

The Irish time article was good in that some doctor at their press conference acknowledged it and say they are responsible and will do everything to fix.

Would be hard to get those words out of Tony. You don't get to the top here by acknowledging failings and trying to fix them.

screamer · 19-11-2020 08:04PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Did someone post here last night about an outbreak in Vincents ? I remember seeing something about it.

Anyway just heard a family member went in today for a consultants visit, the family member was wearing their mask, the consultant wasn't, even said you can take your mask off if you want while they were in the office.

Unbelievable

same thing happened to my dad yesterday in waterford regional or whatever its called these days..,,

martingriff · 19-11-2020 08:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The CMO really isn’t helping end all this antivax ****e by constantly downplaying the vaccine

Didn't see it tonight what did he say exactly

prunudo · 19-11-2020 08:05PM

froog wrote: »

like for example saying we've a vaccine, we're all saved leading to people completely disregarding all current public health measures months before we actually get it?

No, but he could be honest about it rather than dismissing it and any good news for that matter. Its looking promising but for the moment we still need to keep up with the fundamentals of virus control etc etc.

froog · 19-11-2020 08:06PM

prunudo wrote: »

No, but he could be honest about it rather than dismissing it and any good news for that matter. Its looking promising but for the moment we still need to keep up with the fundamentals of virus control etc etc.

that's basically what he's been saying though.

titan18 · 19-11-2020 08:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The CMO really isn’t helping end all this antivax ****e by constantly downplaying the vaccine

Well, tbf, he's more right to downplay than likes of Murphy and OCallaghan who are saying now that ones coming, we should go no lockdown forever cos it's coming

Pete_Cavan · 19-11-2020 08:07PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Date Announced Swabs
19 429 390

Was it not 332 positive swabs today?

Martina1991 · 19-11-2020 08:08PM

ax530 wrote: »

I wonder if the hospital tested cases not included in the swab number which would explain why the cases higher than swabs , currently low number swabs but cases high due to the ability of hospital to do their own tests. Saw an article during week that Galway hospital could now test swabs on site

Hospital swabs are always included in the data. Why wouldn't they be.

Galway were always testing inpatients and healthcare worker swabs in their hospital lab, as do all hospital labs. Galway got new analysers which significantly increased the amount of swabs they can do in a day.

Pete_Cavan · 19-11-2020 08:09PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

What do people want NPHET/govt to do? Genuine question....I just see a lot of people complaining about numbers but not really sure what they want to actually happen....

Admit there is a problem in our hospitals, followed immediately by doing something about it.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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