Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 19-11-2020 03:21PM

Mean Laqueefa wrote: »

Honestly tho why couldnt they take a pay cut and help people in need, why couldnt all them sacrifice like everyone else, you know the answer cause it seems you are in a place of entitlement

You know the square root of nothing about me. Judge away though.

He's actually talking about rebalancing the wealth of everyone. You're too blind to see that.

BeefeaterHat · 19-11-2020 03:22PM

Penfailed wrote: »

You know the square root of nothing about me. Judge away though.

He's actually talking about rebalancing the wealth of everyone. You're too blind to see that.

Right so President Higgins can lead from the front and start by sacrificing a big chunk of his very generous salary.

Allinall · 19-11-2020 03:28PM

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Right so President Higgins can lead from the front and start by sacrificing a big chunk of his very generous salary.

He already has done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Ireland#:~:text=Remuneration%20and%20expenses,-After%20the%202018&text=The%20incumbent%2C%20Michael%20D.,additional%20%E2%82%AC317%2C434%20for%20expenses.

Remuneration and expenses
After the 2018 presidential election the official salary or "personal remuneration" of the president will be €249,014.[45] The incumbent, Michael D. Higgins, chooses to receive the same salary although he is entitled to a higher figure of €325,507.

Penfailed · 19-11-2020 03:30PM

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Right so President Higgins can lead from the front and start by sacrificing a big chunk of his very generous salary.

I wouldn't object to that in any way whatsoever. I don't know his financial situation. I don't know if he has any charitable foundations. I don't know if he has any philanthropic organisations on the go. I'm not judging him.

FintanMcluskey · 19-11-2020 03:31PM

Allinall wrote: »

He already has done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Ireland#:~:text=Remuneration%20and%20expenses,-After%20the%202018&text=The%20incumbent%2C%20Michael%20D.,additional%20%E2%82%AC317%2C434%20for%20expenses.

Remuneration and expenses
After the 2018 presidential election the official salary or "personal remuneration" of the president will be €249,014.[45] The incumbent, Michael D. Higgins, chooses to receive the same salary although he is entitled to a higher figure of €325,507.

How can anyone raise 2 big dogs on a quarter of a million a year is beyond me.

I see sheep · 19-11-2020 03:32PM

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. I'm working a minimum wage job throughout lockdown so I'm not exactly rich. It's just a simple fact that when these socialist types dream their great dreams for society it tends to bend more than a few noses out of shape. But go ahead and make assumptions about me to defend Miggledee's honour.

Why do say 'these socialist types' and not 'these socialists'? It's strange.

You say it's a simple fact that a socialist's wishes for society 'tends to bend more than a few noses out of shape'. Yes! Absolutely.

That's why he's talking about change.

You should only be worried about it if you're at the top of society economically and are afraid of being taxed a bit more on your wealth.

If you're on minimum wage you've nothing to fear.

Allinall · 19-11-2020 03:33PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

How can anyone raise 2 big dogs on a quarter of a million a year is beyond me.

A lot of things seem to be beyond you, to be fair.

He only has one dog now.

BeefeaterHat · 19-11-2020 03:33PM

Allinall wrote: »

He already has done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Ireland#:~:text=Remuneration%20and%20expenses,-After%20the%202018&text=The%20incumbent%2C%20Michael%20D.,additional%20%E2%82%AC317%2C434%20for%20expenses.

Remuneration and expenses
After the 2018 presidential election the official salary or "personal remuneration" of the president will be €249,014.[45] The incumbent, Michael D. Higgins, chooses to receive the same salary although he is entitled to a higher figure of €325,507.

He's still on €250k, more than the UK prime minister and french president for what is very little work other than smile, shake hands and wave and read the odd bit of poetry.

Mean Laqueefa · 19-11-2020 03:34PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Y'see. Who's arrogant?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I'll not regale you with my charitable donations this past while. I don't feel the need to, just to try and justify myself to randomers on the interwebz.

im the least arrogant person you ever met or spoke to, im glad you donate to charity they are good causes, all i said was i gave my last 2 euro to a homeless man and somehow still had to get milk and bread.

You think im proud i only had 2 euro ?

Im not a randomer. my name is barry, im 37, have 3 year old on saturday its her birthday, she hugged her grandmother once before her passing, my wife is a nursing manager in a learning disability's home, cant see her other family due to restrictions.

i make less than PUP as already stated it goes on child care , i get up and clean **** off toilets in a school to pay them bills.

The gawl of you to think im arrogant

Penfailed · 19-11-2020 03:34PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

How can anyone raise 2 big dogs on a quarter of a million a year is beyond me.

One of his dogs died. It made the headlines. Maybe you're only fixated with Covid news.

Penfailed · 19-11-2020 03:35PM

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

He's still on €250k, more than the UK prime minister and french president for what is very little work other than smile, shake hands and wave and read the odd bit of poetry.

That's not his fault.

FintanMcluskey · 19-11-2020 03:36PM

Penfailed wrote: »

One of his dogs died. It made the headlines. Maybe you're only fixated with Covid news.

Did it die of Covid?

Penfailed · 19-11-2020 03:37PM

Mean Laqueefa wrote: »

im the least arrogant person you ever met or spoke to, im glad you donate to charity they are good causes, all i said was i gave my last 2 euro to a homeless man and somehow still had to get milk and bread.

You think im proud i only had 2 euro ?

Im not a randomer. my name is barry, im 37, have 3 year old on saturday its her birthday, she hugged her grandmother once before her passing, my wife is a nursing manager in a learning disability's home, cant see her other family due to restrictions.

i make less than PUP as already stated it goes on child care , i get up and clean **** off toilets in a school to pay them bills.

The gawl of you to think im arrogant

Fair play. I didn't say you were arrogant by the way. It was a question, not a statement.

PTH2009 · 19-11-2020 03:39PM

Good to see reports of Dr Tony been put back in his box

BeefeaterHat · 19-11-2020 03:41PM

Penfailed wrote: »

That's not his fault.

I doubt he has to be forced to cash the cheque at gunpoint every month. The point I'm making is he's profited very well off this system and if his little socialist paradise came into being he probably would never have those profits in the first place

FintanMcluskey · 19-11-2020 03:45PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Good to see reports of Dr Tony been put back in his box

According to wiki Tony is his 3rd name.

Willy Ger Holohan doesn’t have carry the same weight

hynesie08 · 19-11-2020 03:45PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Good to see reports of Dr Tony been put back in his box

Care to share, or are they just reports in your diary.....

PTH2009 · 19-11-2020 03:55PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Care to share, or are they just reports in your diary.....

https://beat102103.com/news/government-officials-clash-with-nphet-over-lockdown-exit-and-christmas-plans/

BeefeaterHat · 19-11-2020 03:58PM

Penfailed wrote: »

One of his dogs died. It made the headlines. Maybe you're only fixated with Covid news.

Of course the health of the Irish president's dog is a pressing matter in the everyday lives of the people. It's common sense

prunudo · 19-11-2020 04:10PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Did it die of Covid?

More importantly was it 'of' or 'with'?

MOH · 19-11-2020 04:51PM

Penfailed wrote: »

You're on a hiding to nothing trying to explain yourself in here. Unless you're on the breadline due to Covid your comments are invalid, especially if you agree with restrictions. If you're financially secure, you can only be on the side of removing restrictions for your opinion to be validated by some of the posters populating this thread :rolleyes:

You seem to have missed the posts people are reacting to. It's nothing to do with restrictions. The poster implied that some fault lies with people and businesses who should have had a "rainy day" fund to enable to tide themselves through nine months without a regular income. And that he himself isn't particularly well off but would have enough money put aside to be able to pay mortgage, expenses, and raise a young child for that length of time.

Some people have pointed out that a business having 9 months worth of cash sitting around "just i case" isn't a particularly well run business, and others have pointed out that having enough money up front to be able to support yourself for nine months might be considered by many as being somewhat well off. And that lecturing those less fortunate about this is a tad arrogant.

weldoninhio · 19-11-2020 05:00PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

How can anyone raise 2 big dogs on a quarter of a million a year is beyond me.

One went to the farm in the sky.

zf0wqv9oemuasj · 19-11-2020 05:01PM

MOH wrote: »

You seem to have missed the posts people are reacting to. It's nothing to do with restrictions. The poster implied that some fault lies with people and businesses who should have had a "rainy day" fund to enable to tide themselves through nine months without a regular income. And that he himself isn't particularly well off but would have enough money put aside to be able to pay mortgage, expenses, and raise a young child for that length of time.

Hi, sorry but I did not imply there was a fault with folks who don’t have a rainy day fund I was just wondering really why it’s never considered in conversations around those on pup, as from my reading of this forum in particular, the assumption is that every single person is going to struggle to meet their expenses where as I would have thought that at the very least a decent percentage would be able to tide themselves over and so on.

I also would not be in a large level of agreement with statements around businesses being baldy run if they have cash reserves, I would actually find that a very strange comment and I think any business should aim to have a cash reserve for unforeseen circumstances.

That is not saying they all have it or that it’s possible for all but I would think it should be a target and so on.

hynesie08 · 19-11-2020 05:05PM

Unforseen circumstances is a leak or the heating going......... No business expects to be shut for 9 months with no government or insurance cover.....

kippy · 19-11-2020 05:06PM

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

Hi, sorry but I did not imply there was a fault with folks who don’t have a rainy day fund I was just wondering really why it’s never considered in conversations around those on pup, as from my reading of this forum in particular, the assumption is that every single person is going to struggle to meet their expenses where as I would have thought that at the very least a decent percentage would be able to tide themselves over and so on.

I also would not be in a large level of agreement with statements around businesses being baldy run if they have cash reserves, I would actually find that a very strange comment and I think any business should aim to have a cash reserve for unforeseen circumstances.

That is not saying they all have it or that it’s possible for all but I would think it should be a target and so on.

In fairness, people on low wages (generally those on PUP) dont have a whole lot of disposable income, if any, to build up such a fund after living expenses are covered. Christ, even people on a few K a month often do well not to be living week to week, depending on their circumstances, but they may have the safety net of borrowing capability if needed to tide them over for a few months - again depending on circumstances.
I amn't a business owner however I would suspect a lot of businesses (SMEs) dont have a whole heap of a cash pile set aside for a rainy day, particularily when they have ongoing expenses to cover even if the business isn't running.

It should be a target but life and stuff.

BeefeaterHat · 19-11-2020 05:13PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Unforseen circumstances is a leak or the heating going......... No business expects to be shut for 9 months with no government or insurance cover.....

It seems some people seem to think that your man running the local corner shop has the same cash and resources as Donald Trump showing how out of bloody touch they are

zf0wqv9oemuasj · 19-11-2020 05:15PM

kippy wrote: »

In fairness, people on low wages (generally those on PUP) dont have a whole lot of disposable income, if any, to build up such a fund after living expenses are covered. Christ, even people on a few K a month often do well not to be living week to week, depending on their circumstances, but they may have the safety net of borrowing capability if needed to tide them over for a few months - again depending on circumstances.
I amn't a business owner however I would suspect a lot of businesses (SMEs) dont have a whole heap of a cash pile set aside for a rainy day, particularily when they have ongoing expenses to cover even if the business isn't running.

It should be a target but life and stuff.

It is a fair point made by you and some other posters that a lot of those on pup are in lower paid jobs and so on. I am not looking to argue with folks nor do I have my head in the sand it was just something that jumped out at me when discussing businesses and individuals and thought it was a genuine enough item to discuss though it was greeted quite harshly by folks here and that’s fair enough - everyone entitled to their opinion. Probably best to move on from it now.

Electric Sheep · 19-11-2020 05:37PM

Waylon Petite Shower wrote: »

It is really difficult to make any sort of point on this thread without some other posters jumping down your throat often with an attempt at some amusing but irrelevant quip. I wasn’t trying to belittle anyone’s situation I was just making a point I feel is a gunuine one.

I feel that in a time where our savings are at an all time high as a nation that it’s a fair point to make. It is not saying people should have to live of savings, not a particularly for/against lockdowns comment either it is more an observation that apparently large numbers of folks are immediately unable to supplement pup/job seekers with savings to tide them over for some time and I personally would find it surprising that at least a very reasonable percentage of those would not be able, in conjugation with pup, possible temp rent reductions/mortgage breaks and so on be able to get through this without major hardship.

Obviously I do not mean everybody by any means which appears to be the immediate reaction of a number of posters.

Not everyone has the advantage of living with their parents to build up a rainy day fund.

road_high · 19-11-2020 05:40PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

According to wiki Tony is his 3rd name.

Willy Ger Holohan doesn’t have carry the same weight

Neither does Tony but it didn’t appear to stop him.

_Kaiser_ · 19-11-2020 05:46PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

How can anyone raise 2 big dogs on a quarter of a million a year is beyond me.

I'd say almost every penny is banked. I doubt he has to reach into his pocket for very much somehow - another perk of the job.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings