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The Jumpers are Coming 2020/2021

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    The Mig wrote: »
    It's his hobby lads. He's in the game for winners. Easysland is a prime example. I'd say he cost a fair few bob but only won 40k and the festival and is racing for 12k today

    That's a terrible example though!

    Easysland was bought as a 5 y/o ( actually 4 but was 5 two weeks later) and within three months had won £71k both at very backable prices and a festival win. Id say he has gone a very long way to paying for himself.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    Pogue eile wrote: »
    That's a terrible example though!

    Easysland was bought as a 5 y/o ( actually 4 but was 5 two weeks later) and within three months had won £71k both at very backable prices and a festival win. Id say he has gone a very long way to paying for himself.
    Probably is a bad example haha.

    All I'm saying is that the last thing I'd say that is in JP's thinking 'Jaysus we better get some prize money back to recoup what we paid for him'


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭del roy


    CHELTENHAM: Paddy Power Gold Cup Day


    Cheltenham Horse Racing Trends (RacingTV/ITV)


    1.40 – From The Horse’s Mouth Podcast Novices´ Chase Cl2 3m80y RacingTV


    15/15 – Had won a race over at least 2m4f (fences) before
    12/15 – Aged 7 or younger
    12/15 – Returned 4/1 or shorter in the betting
    12/15 – Favourites placed 1st or 2nd
    12/15 – Had raced at Cheltenham before
    11/15 – Won between 0-1 times over fences before
    11/15 – Raced no more than twice over fences
    11/15 – Had raced in the last 6 weeks
    10/15 – Raced at Cheltenham (4), Aintree (3) or Wetherby (2) last time out
    8/15 – Aged 6 years-old
    8/15 – Irish bred
    7/15 – Went onto run in the RSA Chase at the Cheltenham Festival that season (no winners)
    7/15 – Won last time out
    6/15 – Winning favourites
    4/15 – Trained by Paul Nicholls
    3/15 – Trained by David Pipe
    3/15 – Trained by Nigel Twiston-Davies
    2/15 – Ridden by Paddy Brennan


    TQ VERDICT: A nice renewal of this Novice Chase, as we get a chance to see several stars of the future strutting their stuff. The Henry De Bromhead yard came over to take this race with their talented mare – Put The Kettle On – last year so the fact they are sending Zarkareva over is interesting. This 4 year-old filly won her last two starts over fences and gets weight off all the others so that will bring her right into the mix. She stays further than this 2m trip too and has acted well on good and softer ground. GUMBALL (e/w) did it well at Uttoxeter last time out on only his second run over fences and can’t be ruled out with the Hobbs yard starting to show signs of some form, plus the yard won this race in 2014 and 2015 – he could be the e/w play in the race, but note there are only 6 runners. He’s also closely-rated with the Tizzard runner – Eldorado Allen, who beat Stormy Island last time on his chase debut. However, the form of that win took a knock in the week with the runner-up beaten again, so I’d be a tad cautious. Le Patriote is a course winner over hurdles here and won well over fences at Market Rasen last time, but this will be harder. The one to beat is probably the Henderson horse – Fusil Raffles – after winning well at Uttoxeter and here at Cheltenham last time out. That course experience is a big plus and he jumped well – he can only get better so it’s hard to crab his chance. However, it’s interesting that Paul Nicholls is pitching his QUEL DESTIN into a race like this on his chasing debut, so that could be significant. This 150+ rated hurdler has also won at the course before and did well to win on the flat at Bath last month so should be spot-on for this. He’s sure to have been well-schooled and with that last run coming off the back of a wind op then he could have more to give over fences. He gets a handy 3lbs from the Henderson horse too, so if his jumping holds up can go well for the currently red-hot Nicholls camp.


    2.15 – Paddy Power Gold Cup Handicap Chase (Grade 3) (GBB Race) Cl1 (4yo+) 2m4f ITV


    18/18 – Aged 9 or younger (last winner aged in double-figures was in 1975)
    18/18 – Had run at Cheltenham before
    17/18 – Had won over at least 2m4f over fences before
    17/18 – Won by a UK-based trainer
    14/18 – Returned 14/1 or shorter in the betting
    13/18 – Carried 11st or less
    12/18 – Had won at Cheltenham before
    12/18 – Aged 6 or 7 years-old
    12/18 – Had won just 2 or 3 times over fences before
    12/18 – Finished in the top 4 last time out
    11/18 – Trained by Pipe (3), Jonjo O’Neill (3), Nicholls (2) or Twiston-Davies (3)
    9/18 – Won by a horse in the first 3 in the betting
    9/18 – Aged 7 years-old
    8/18 – Won this on their seasonal reappearance
    8/18 – Placed favourites
    5/18 – Won their last race
    4/18 – Trained by the Pipe stable
    4/18 – Ran at Cheltenham last time out
    3/18 – Winning favourites
    3/18 – Trained by Nigel Twiston-Davies
    3/18 – Trained by Jonjo O’Neill
    3/18 – Ran at Carlisle last time out
    2/18 – Ridden by Sam Twiston-Davies
    1/18 – Irish-trained winners
    The last winner aged in double-figures was in 1975
    Paul Nicholls has saddled 10 placed horses (two winners, Al Ferof & Caid Du Berlais) from his last 39 runners
    The average winning SP in the last 18 years is 10/1


    TQ VERDICT: One of the big early season jumping highlights and, as always, we’ve got a super-competitive card heading to post. Last year the Kerry Lee-trained Happy Diva won the race and she’ll be looking to be become the first back-to-back winner since Bradbury Star (93 &94). She’s rated 8lbs higher this time though so will need to find more and actually hasn’t won a race (5 runs) since taking this 12 months ago. It’s a race that in recent years has been dominated by the O’Neill, Nicholls, Pipe and Twiston-Davies yards – between them, they’ve won 11 of the last 18. This year Pipe runs SIRUH DU LAC, Nicholls has BRELAN D’AS and SAINT SONNET, Twiston-Davies runs AL DANCER, while O’Neill has SKY PIRATE entered – they should all be respected. Looking at that lot the Nicholls main runner – Saint Sonnet – was a fair 7th in the Marsh Chase at the Festival, behind Samcro, in March and with just three runs over fences can be expected to have more to come. However, that lack of experience in a race like this would still be a negative for me. Al Dancer was a good winner last month at Newton Abbot so might be fitter than most, but he’s prone to the odd mistake and that would concern me, while even though the NTD yard often do well at this meeting, they have been a tad quiet in recent weeks too. Pipe’s Siruh Du Lac runs for the first time for the yard after coming from the Nick Williams team. He’s was running a big race at the Festival in the Brown Advisory and Merribelle Chase in March – a race he won in 2019 too, so the track is fine, while he’s gone well off a break in the past too. The Pipe yard are also in good order at the moment so if his jumping holds out has to enter the mix with 50% of the last 18 winners also aged 7! The winner of that Brown Advisory Chase was Simply The Betts and it’s no secret that the Harry Whittington yard think a lot of this 7 year-old. He’s 2-from-2 over fences at the course and has won 4 of this 5 runs over the biggest obstacles now. This horse is certainly a big player and should be bang there, but is up another 8lbs from his last run so would need to improve again. Slate House, Spiritofthegames and Fidux are three bigger-priced runners to note, but the main call here is MISTER FISHER. Yes, the Henderson yard have only won this race once (Fondmont, 2003), but I’m not reading too much into that. This 6 year-old was last seen running well to be fourth in the G1 Marsh Chase at the Festival in March – beaten only 4 ¼ lengths to Samcro – and that looks the best form on offer to me. He’s only had four runs over fences so that lack of experience is a bit of a worry, but at least he’s run here at Prestbury Park in two of those – winning one. With another summer on his back he should be a better horse and he also beat Al Dancer last January at Doncaster so can hopefully have the measure of that horse again. Nico de Boinville rides. Of the rest, I’ll have a small each-way interest in the Jonjo O’Neill runner – SKY PIRATE (e/w) – too, mainly due to the yard’s fair record in the race and the fact he gets in here with just 10-2 to carry. Yes, he’s not won a race over fences (9 runs) but has been second 5 times, but this will be the lightest racing weight he’s run with and that will, of course, help a lot.


    2.50 – Paddy Power 3PM Kick Off Handicap Hurdle (Listed Race) Cl1 3m1f67y ITV


    16/18 – Aged 7 or younger
    15/18 – Carried 10-11 or less in weight
    15/18 – Had between 2 and 5 previous hurdles wins
    14/18 – Had won over at least 2m4f (hurdles) before
    13/18 – Officially rated 126 to 137
    13/18 – Winning distance – 3 ½ lengths or less
    12/18 – Placed favourites
    13/18 – Ran at either Cheltenham (7), Aintree (3) or Chepstow (3) last time out
    12/18 – Irish bred
    12/18 – Ran within the last 4 weeks
    11/18 – Came from the top 3 in the betting
    10/18 – Had run at Cheltenham before
    8/18 – Won their last race
    7/18 – Winning favourites (1 joint)
    7/18 – Returned 11/4 or shorter in the betting
    4/18 – Won by the Pipe stable
    1/18 – Won by an Irish-trained stable
    5 of the last 12 winners have had a claiming jockey riding
    Anteros won the race in 2016 & was second in 2017
    First Assignment won the race in 2018
    Golan Fortune won the race in 2019


    TQ VERDICT: With 16 of the last 18 winners of this race aged 7 or younger, so On The Blind Side, Dell’ Arca, Tobefair and Golan Fortune are overlooked, despite all four being proven course winners. The Suzy Smith runner DEBESTYMAN (e/w) ran a cracker here last time out when second to Captain Tom Cat and is only 3lbs higher. The longer trip should be fine and in this better race gets in here with only 10st to carry. The Kim Bailey yard are going well during this first half of the season, so their Dandy Dan is another big player, but it’s hard to get away from the Tom Lacey entry – TEA CLIPPER. This 5 year-old was very impressive last time out at Chepstow and has now won 4 of this 5 hurdles starts. He’s rising up the ranks fast and could have more to give now upped in trip too. Yes, this will be the furthest he’s gone by just over half a mile, but he’s been running like it will suit and he’s also up 7lbs from last time – but he should also relish the conditions and looks the most progressive horse in the race that could be destined for bigger and better things going forward.


    3.25 – Paddy Power First Millionaire Qualifier Intermediate Handicap Hurdle Cl3 2m5f26y ITV


    13/15 – Won between 1-2 times over hurdles before
    13/15 – Aged 5 or 6 years-old
    12/15 – Finished in the top 4 last time out
    10/15 – Raced in the last 7 weeks
    8/15 – Returned a double-figure price
    7/15 – Favourites unplaced
    7/15 – Carried 10-13 or less
    7/15 – Had run at Cheltenham before
    7/15 – Irish-bred winners
    6/15 – Went onto finish in the top 4 in a race at the Cheltenham Festival
    6/15 – Won last time out
    5/15 – French-bred winners
    2/15 – Ridden by Sam Twiston-Davies
    2/15 – Trained by Paul Nicholls
    3/15 - Winning favourites
    2 of the last 7 winners went onto be placed in the Martin Pipe Conditionals race at the Cheltenham Festival that season
    2 of the last 11 winners went onto be placed in the Ladbrokes World Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival that season


    TQ VERDICT: The Kim Bailey runner – Shinobi – was very impressive at Wincanton last time out but this is a hike up in grade so would need more for me. It’s hard to fault Captain Tom Cat, who has won his last three, including here over this CD last time. A good run from Debestyman in the previous race would add to his chance – he’s 6lbs higher here but should make a bold bid to land the four-timer. Kepage is another that’s done little wrong of late – winning his last three and heads here off the back of a wind op too. The Pipe yard are going well too, but the only niggle would be all his wins coming with a lot more give underfoot – soft or worse. So that leaves me with SON OF CAMAS. This horse was touted to be a lot better than he is today during the early part of his career, but he’s still only 5 years-old and there are strong vibes the horse is very well after a recent wind op. He was last seen being pulled up in the Ballymore Novices’ Hurdle here but this time last year beat King Roland well at Newbury so clearly has ability. He could be ready to kick-on now and fulfil the hype that has surrounded him as off a mark of 133 could easily be thrown in here – we’ll see! Topofthecotswolds and Whatsupwithyou can do best of the rest.


    3.55 – Karndean Designflooring Mares’ Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race (Listed Race) C1 (4-6 year-olds) 2m 1/2f


    8/8 – GB (5) or Irish (3) bred
    7/8 – Aged 4 or 5 years-old
    7/8 – Won at least once before in a NH Flat race
    6/8 – Won last time out
    6/8 – Had never raced at Cheltenham before
    5/8 – Had run in the last 6 weeks
    4/8 – Unplaced favourites
    4/8 – Returned 14/1 or bigger in the betting
    2/8 – Winning favourites
    2/8 – Trained by Alan King
    The average winning SP in recent years is 11/1

    Note: The 2016 running was a dead-heat


    TQ VERDICT: Probably not a race to go mad in with a lot of tall reputations on the line for this Mares’ Only bumper. It’s hard to fault the win of the Dan Skelton runner – Elle Est Belle – who bolted up in a good race at Aintree last month and she’s probably the one to beat. However, I was also taken by the win of the Anthony Honeyball runner – UCANAVER – who was a 20-length scorer at Fontwell in October. Yes, it’s hard to know what she beat that day but was still visually impressive and should make another bold bid from the front. That win came over 1m5 ½ furlongs so is up 3 furlongs, but that’s not a huge worry. She’s clearly got plenty of pace too and could easily get the others at it a long way out if running a similar race to last time – Harry Cobden is also an interesting jockey booking for this yard, who have had some big Saturdays in recent weeks. Ishkhara Lady and Allavina are others to note in the betting, but with the Fergal O’Brien and Alan King yards having fair strike-rates in these races at the track then their entries – ALL CLENCHED UP, LADY JANE P and COLOURS OF MY LIFE could go well of those at bigger prices.


    LINGFIELD: Two LIVE Races at the Surrey Track


    Lingfield Horse Racing Trends (ATR/ITV)


    3.05 – Betway Churchill Stakes (Listed Race) (All-Weather Fast Track Qualifier) Cl1 (3yo+) 1m2f ITV


    12/14 – Returned 15/2 or shorter in the betting
    11/14 – Rated between 102 and 112
    11/14 – Had won over at least 1m2f before
    10/14 – Ran in the last 6 weeks
    10/14 – Won between 1-4 times before
    9/14 – Favourites placed in the top two
    9/14 – Aged 3 or 4 years-old
    8/14 – Placed last time out
    9/14 – Drawn in stall 5 or higher
    4/14 – Winning favourites
    3/14 – Trained by Saeed Bin Suroor
    Master The World (10/1) won the race in 2017 and 2018


    TQ VERDICT: CD winner Palavecino and the William Haggas runner – Sinjaari – should make a bold bid, but both have a lot to find on these terms with the John Gosden runner – DUBAI WARRIOR. This 4 year-old is the clear top-rated in the field (114) and has 9lbs in-hand on Palavecino to suggest even if he runs a bit below-par should still have enough. He’s also a CD winner at the track and is in fact 2-from-2 at the Surrey venue. It will be a shock if he’s not taking this £15k first prize.


    3.40 – Betway Golden Rose Stakes (Listed Race) (All-Weather Fast Track Qualifier) Cl1 (3yo+) 6f ITV


    12/13 – Previous winner over 6f or 7f
    12/13 – Didn’t win last time out
    11/13 – Returned 8/1 or shorter in the betting
    11/13 – Aged 4 or older
    10/13 – Had raced in the last 6 weeks
    10/13 – Won 5 or more times before
    9/13 – Drawn in stall 6 or higher
    9/13 – Unplaced last time out
    8/13 – Unplaced favourites
    4/13 – Ran at Doncaster last time out
    3/13 – Winning favourites
    Gifted Master (9/2) won the race in 2017
    Encrypted won the race in 2018
    Judicial won the race in 2019


    TQ VERDICT: The consistent Judicial won this race 12 months ago so has to be respected, but it won’t be easy giving 5lbs away to the improving GOOD EFFORT. This 5 year-old is rising up the sprinting ranks quickly and heads here having won his last four! The last of those was a smooth handicap win over 5f here but he’s just as good – maybe better – over this longer 6f trip. Draw 3 looks perfect too and with that last run also coming off a break he should be spot on for taking on this better company. Of the rest, Godolphin’s On The Warpath is another to note but needs to bounce back from a poor run at Newmarket last time out, while Soldier’s Minute, Tinto, Jovial and Sunday Star are all rated 100+ so if getting the breaks and finding a bit of improvement can’t be discounted either.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    Nicky gets Jonbon as expected!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    The Mig wrote: »
    Nicky gets Jonbon as expected!

    Just saw that.
    Prob best call alright.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Potential for a red hot maiden hurdle in Gowran Friday - Appreciate It and Ferny Hollow entered among others.


  • Registered Users Posts: 821 ✭✭✭Coneygree


    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Potential for a red hot maiden hurdle in Gowran Friday - Appreciate It and Ferny Hollow entered among others.

    Bob Olinger too!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Goshen declared for the Ascot Hurdle this weekend, surprised that he's running over 2m 4f


  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭zpehtsfd


    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Goshen declared for the Ascot Hurdle this weekend, surprised that he's running over 2m 4f

    If testing conditions then i'd be worried. Although it beats running against Epatante a week later. He's obviously raring to go or else they would probably bypass both races.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Goshen declared for the Ascot Hurdle this weekend, surprised that he's running over 2m 4f
    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    If testing conditions then i'd be worried. Although it beats running against Epatante a week later. He's obviously raring to go or else they would probably bypass both races.

    Far too many other horses in the race capable of beating him over the trip. To add to that his two runs on the flat were poor enough, the only saving grace I could give him is that the Moores are getting winners and that maybe he has had a rest. But given the profile of Triumph horses flopping in their second season I think he is opposable at the prices. There are too many negatives about him and 6/4 is hardly an example of the bookies hanging around with their arses in the air?

    It is a hot race, Laurina, Indefatigable ( Martin Pipe winner in similar ground) and I see Tea Clipper was pulled from an engagement at Cheltenham at the weekend to maybe line up here. Too many variables and there has to be better bets. Had he won the last few times I could say yes get stuck in.

    Put is this way, 12 months ago Laurina was AP favourite for the Arkle, horses can go wrong and things change. Would you fancy her at 5/2 now?

    https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/2/ascot/2020-11-21/769454/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭Morgans


    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    If testing conditions then i'd be worried. Although it beats running against Epatante a week later. He's obviously raring to go or else they would probably bypass both races.

    Goshen loves testing conditions?? If anything he needs it. We'll see if he is the same horse now as he was in March but if anything needing further than 2m and needing soft conditions would be reasons why he couldnt win a champion hurdle.

    I couldnt back Laurina in any race ever again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Morgans wrote: »
    Goshen loves testing conditions?? If anything he needs it. We'll see if he is the same horse now as he was in March but if anything needing further than 2m and needing soft conditions would be reasons why he couldnt win a champion hurdle.

    I couldnt back Laurina in any race ever again.

    All Champion Hurdle winners need to able to get further than 2m, its why invariably the Ballymore is a better trial than the supreme.

    Faugheen, Annie Power, Yanworth among others all took this race in.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Morgans wrote: »

    I couldnt back Laurina in any race ever again.

    Was there ever a reason given for Sullivan Bloodstock moving all their stock from Closutton to Ditcheat ?

    I mean does anyone know what went on?

    Furthermore does anyone reckon Nicholls will get any improvement out of them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭Morgans


    There is talk that they didnt like how Stormy Ireland was used as a pacemaker for Benie Des Dieux.

    Not sure Nicholls has had a winner yet with the Sullivan horses including one beaten at long odds on last week. Duc de Genieve ran up to form last weekend.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    I am all over Laurina for the Mares Chase
    Made for her


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Morgans wrote: »
    There is talk that they didnt like how Stormy Ireland was used as a pacemaker for Benie Des Dieux.

    Not sure Nicholls has had a winner yet with the Sullivan horses including one beaten at long odds on last week. Duc de Genieve ran up to form last weekend.

    Listening to him, he really rates Real Steel for all the top 3m+ Chases
    King George the immediate target


  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭zpehtsfd


    Morgans wrote: »
    Goshen loves testing conditions?? If anything he needs it. We'll see if he is the same horse now as he was in March but if anything needing further than 2m and needing soft conditions would be reasons why he couldnt win a champion hurdle.

    I couldnt back Laurina in any race ever again.

    First run of the season over hurdles, on a stiff track, at a distance he's never run over, in possible heavy conditions? Yes i would be worried.

    I'm not sure why you think he needs further then 2m. I think the CH would be the perfect race for him as long as the ground was soft.

    Let's hope we see the same horse that would have blitzed the field in the Triumph. And form has been franked since. GL


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭Morgans


    zpehtsfd wrote: »
    First run of the season over hurdles, on a stiff track, at a distance he's never run over, in possible heavy conditions? Yes i would be worried.

    I'm not sure why you think he needs further then 2m. I think the CH would be the perfect race for him as long as the ground was soft.

    Let's hope we see the same horse that would have blitzed the field in the Triumph. And form has been franked since. GL

    Horses that win over 1m6f on the flat (on heavy) invariably are stayers over jumps. Horses that win the triumph (as he should have done) invariably are stayers. 2m3f on heavy ground is likely to suit more than 2m. He might be good enough to win in any case, but it would be interesting to see whether this is open for discussion in a years time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭Morgans


    Listening to him, he really rates Real Steel for all the top 3m+ Chases
    King George the immediate target

    And Cyrname and Clan des Obeaux. Real Steel turned into the last two in the Gold Cup travelling better than anything - WPM always thought he was better right handed. Will be interesting how he splits them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Morgans wrote: »
    There is talk that they didnt like how Stormy Ireland was used as a pacemaker for Benie Des Dieux.

    Not sure Nicholls has had a winner yet with the Sullivan horses including one beaten at long odds on last week. Duc de Genieve ran up to form last weekend.

    I backed the Duc myself , I felt he would love the ground. But I was disappointed with how he finished. Gutted in fact I had him at nice prices.

    I found it interesting how Mick Fitzgerald was so keen on Son of Camas winning also on the Paddy Power preview last week. we really all have to cop on and stop listening to these full of Shight pundits. He had it insofar as it was a steering job and was flying around Lambourn. Phucker was pulled up and it was not the ground as he won a decent maiden last year on soft at Newbury. I am only bringing it up as he is owned by Sullivan bloodstock also.

    It is still highly likely that a lot of them are overhyped on the back of what Laurina showed a few years ago, at the time Willie Mullins had a great rep for getting his hands on lovely French imports, it could have been a case of them thinking this was the way forward. Whereas the reality is that 9 times out of 10 picking a good nag as a yearling is down to a lot of luck. It will be interesting to see what Nicholls can do with Reel Steel all the same. But a lot of them could be just average and overpriced, it happens.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭MickyPearse


    Think the Real Steel hype is a bit much lads. Travelled well in a slowly ran gold cup. His form prior to that is nowhere near grade 1 level


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭kksaints


    The Listed chase at Thurles on Thursday looks like a cracker. Kemboy, Monalee and Presenting Percy all declared. Even the fourth in the betting Darasso is a very useful horse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Plasandrunt


    Listening to him, he really rates Real Steel for all the top 3m+ Chases
    King George the immediate target


    https://www.timeform.com/horse-racing/news/hopes-high-at-ditcheat-title-can-be-reclaimed-8102020

    Calls him a non stayer at the GC trip and thinks he's a Ryanair horse according to this piece.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Listening to him, he really rates Real Steel for all the top 3m+ Chases
    King George the immediate target
    https://www.timeform.com/horse-racing/news/hopes-high-at-ditcheat-title-can-be-reclaimed-8102020

    Calls him a non stayer at the GC trip and thinks he's a Ryanair horse according to this piece.

    Yeah I don't see him winning many grade 1's either. I would be surprised were he good enough.

    When is the Peterborough chase at Huntingdon? That would be more his type of race maybe?


  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Plasandrunt


    I think he's got a good shout in the Ryanair, him and Allaho my two fancies for it. Ran on well in the John Durkan last year despite making a bad mistake at the last


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    I think he's got a good shout in the Ryanair, him and Allaho my two fancies for it. Ran on well in the John Durkan last year despite making a bad mistake at the last

    The other thing I would say is that all his wins are on right handed tracks, so the likes of Huntingdon, Sandown or Ascot are more likely targets for him. He has never been placed in a race going left handed. Throw in no grade 1 and he is very opposable for a Ryanair imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Plasandrunt


    The only left handed course he's ever ran is Cheltenham though and he didn't seem to have an issue with the track in the Gold Cup this year, just the distance seemed to catch him out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Thursday in Thurles

    Percy V Monalee V Kemboy

    And, unbelievably... Kemboy is fav!!
    How in the name of Galileos Lad is Kemboy favourite??!!

    Lay of the day!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    The only left handed course he's ever ran is Cheltenham though and he didn't seem to have an issue with the track in the Gold Cup this year, just the distance seemed to catch him out.

    He fell twice at Leopardstown and was also unplaced in hurdle behind Samcro and was unplaced at St Cloud as a 3 year old. All his best runs are on right handed tracks.

    https://www.irishracing.com/horse?name=Real-Steel&prt=540341

    All things considered his Gold Cup run was extraordinary.

    Eitherway I don't think he is good enough for a Ryanair, he is not a Grade 1 horsie.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Thursday in Thurles

    Percy V Monalee V Kemboy

    And, unbelievably... Kemboy is fav!!
    How in the name of Galileos Lad is Kemboy favourite??!!

    Lay of the day!

    He certainly should not be favourite especially at the distance and without a run.

    I’d be a bit wary of laying him though because if he does bounce back to his very best, he’d win this.


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