The Jumpers are Coming 2020/2021

BumperD

Keeping in timing with prior years opening this up to get the excitement building.
Just over 4 weeks until October when we get some traditional jumping ground. Imagine many are in from their summer breaks and beginning to wind up their work. Ballyadam is probably the one I'm looking forward to most but need to sharpen my pencil and dust down the notes

Most importantly, lets hope we get a clean run of things and get some owners and spectators back to the track for the full season without any drama.

Cannot wait for all the novices coming!

Brock Turnpike

BumperD wrote: »

Keeping in timing with prior years opening this up to get the excitement building.
Just over 4 weeks until October when we get some traditional jumping ground. Imagine many are in from their summer breaks and beginning to wind up their work. Ballyadam is probably the one I'm looking forward to most but need to sharpen my pencil and dust down the notes

Most importantly, lets hope we get a clean run of things and get some owners and spectators back to the track for the full season without any drama.

Cannot wait for all the novices coming!

Are you planning to run the competition again? Or did last year prove just too much effort?

BumperD

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Are you planning to run the competition again? Or did last year prove just too much effort?

ha was busy opening the thread so answer is yes, i will run if we have enough entries . Its a bit of fun

madmoose

Al Boum Photo to win a third gold cup? Wouldn’t put it past him the way his preps have been working the oracle the last two seasons.

Not sure the novice chasers of last season are superb although Champ does have some engine but could fail the jumping test in the GC.

RivetingRoger

This thread makes me so happy
SO HAPPY
Ah lads, you got to love the jumps!!!!

RivetingRoger

Ballyadam, Ferny Hollow, Gypsy Island the 3 i am most excited about, although the thought of Abacadabras in the CH is intriguing me too, and of course, Goshen!!

RivetingRoger

madmoose wrote: »

Al Boum Photo to win a third gold cup? Wouldn’t put it past him the way his preps have been working the oracle the last two seasons.

Not sure the novice chasers of last season are superb although Champ does have some engine but could fail the jumping test in the GC.

Gordon getting Percy is interesting, can only be with a GC in mind
Minella Indo is very interesting in the GC also, and who know's what way TOTG will go, altho I did read somewhere that his injury still hasn't cleared up and is not progressing as they would have liked

Gavin "shels"

We're nearly back baby!!

The Mig

Proper racing!

Slattsy

Too early for ante post?

Earendil

Slattsy wrote: »

Too early for ante post?

Not for you buddy.

madmoose

As soon as Cheltenham was over i was doing Antepost

Shishkin - Arkle
Envoi - Marsh

Both in a double also.

Defi - Ryanair
Thyme Hill - Stayers

Monkfish & The Big Getaway anyrace

RivetingRoger

Gypsy Island - Supreme
Ballyadam - Supreme

Minella Indo - GC
Percy - Stayers Hurdle !!

Slattsy

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Gypsy Island - Supreme
Ballyadam - Supreme

Minella Indo - GC
Percy - Stayers Hurdle !!

No way in hell Ballyadam goes Supreme. He's a Ballymore horse and my ap docket says so! This lad is a stayer.

Anyway, they have Malone Road to win the Supreme

RivetingRoger

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Slattsy wrote: »

No way in hell Ballyadam goes Supreme. He's a Ballymore horse and my ap docket says so! This lad is a stayer.

Anyway, they have Malone Road to win the Supreme

Malone Road has to get there first sluttsy!!
Ballyadam for the supreme!!

C'mere, what a NH team Cheveley Park have now!!
Probably stronger per horse than their flat rats!!

Slattsy

RivetingRoger wrote: »

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Malone Road has to get there first sluttsy!!
Ballyadam for the supreme!!

C'mere, what a NH team Cheveley Park have now!!
Probably stronger per horse than their flat rats!!

More chance of Ballyadam in the Albert B than the Supreme. Genuinely cant see him in the Supreme, they've Ferny Hollow too.

RivetingRoger

Waiting for the "Cheveley Park to win 4+ races at the festival" special !!

Plasandrunt

Abacadrbras Champion Hurdle and Allaho Ryanair are the two I've been chipping away at

shanboghted

Topofthegame for the GC and Saint Roi champion hurdle!
I could be very wrong and look like a fool but something tells me Gosheen might not turn out to be the super horse many predict. :pac:

gazza1

Think Benie might go a different route possibly Stayers, and barring injury Honeysuckle looks bombproof for the Mares.

famagusta

Plasandrunt wrote:

Abacadrbras Champion Hurdle and Allaho Ryanair are the two I've been chipping away at

Allaho ryanair a good shout, should have ran in the jlt this year, hopefully they dont go gold cup next year!

Slattsy

Princess Zoe for the Mares Novice @ 20/1

Backed her for this race a few weeks ago for this race. Trainer has already said her owner wants to go down this route, so we know its the plan and also he might aim her at the Cadran, a Group One, so he knows she's a good un. I see she's as short as 10/1 in places, but 16s still available.

Reason i'm posting is that she goes again tonight in Galway. If she wins this well, against an Oaks second in Ennistymon, i think she will shorten massively. Has been backed off the boards so she appears to well fancied to go in again. And to be perfectly honest, even if she doesnt win tonight i still think she'll win at Cheltenham

RivetingRoger

Slattsy wrote: »

Princess Zoe for the Mares Novice @ 20/1

Backed her for this race a few weeks ago for this race. Trainer has already said her owner wants to go down this route, so we know its the plan and also he might aim her at the Cadran, a Group One, so he knows she's a good un. I see she's as short as 10/1 in places, but 16s still available.

Reason i'm posting is that she goes again tonight in Galway. If she wins this well, against an Oaks second in Ennistymon, i think she will shorten massively. Has been backed off the boards so she appears to well fancied to go in again. And to be perfectly honest, even if she doesnt win tonight i still think she'll win at Cheltenham

Will Gypsy Island still be a novice?

lemush

Slattsy wrote: »

Princess Zoe for the Mares Novice @ 20/1

Backed her for this race a few weeks ago for this race. Trainer has already said her owner wants to go down this route, so we know its the plan and also he might aim her at the Cadran, a Group One, so he knows she's a good un. I see she's as short as 10/1 in places, but 16s still available.

Reason i'm posting is that she goes again tonight in Galway. If she wins this well, against an Oaks second in Ennistymon, i think she will shorten massively. Has been backed off the boards so she appears to well fancied to go in again. And to be perfectly honest, even if she doesnt win tonight i still think she'll win at Cheltenham

If she placed in the Cadran she will never see a hurdle. Anyone on her at fancy prices for the mares novice should be hoping she gets beat tonight.

Slattsy

lemush wrote: »

If she placed in the Cadran she will never see a hurdle. Anyone on her at fancy prices for the mares novice should be hoping she gets beat tonight.

He said Cadran or another big handicap. My point was the esteem in which the trainer rates her. No more, no less. Mon the Zoe.

Slattsy

Go on ya good thing! What a mare.

Pogue eile

Slattsy wrote: »

Princess Zoe for the Mares Novice @ 20/1

Backed her for this race a few weeks ago for this race. Trainer has already said her owner wants to go down this route, so we know its the plan and also he might aim her at the Cadran, a Group One, so he knows she's a good un. I see she's as short as 10/1 in places, but 16s still available.

Reason i'm posting is that she goes again tonight in Galway. If she wins this well, against an Oaks second in Ennistymon, i think she will shorten massively. Has been backed off the boards so she appears to well fancied to go in again. And to be perfectly honest, even if she doesnt win tonight i still think she'll win at Cheltenham

Really fancy shewearsitwell for this myself and have been backing it for weeks, Mullins very keen on her and couldn't have done more in her bumper win.

BumperD

Slattsy wrote: »

Princess Zoe for the Mares Novice @ 20/1

Backed her for this race a few weeks ago for this race. Trainer has already said her owner wants to go down this route, so we know its the plan and also he might aim her at the Cadran, a Group One, so he knows she's a good un. I see she's as short as 10/1 in places, but 16s still available.

Reason i'm posting is that she goes again tonight in Galway. If she wins this well, against an Oaks second in Ennistymon, i think she will shorten massively. Has been backed off the boards so she appears to well fancied to go in again. And to be perfectly honest, even if she doesnt win tonight i still think she'll win at Cheltenham

She's improving at a rate of knots. The Betopin dudes did some glorious aftertiming on their podcast about them backing her at 66's so hopefully she gets there. Would be a long season though thats my only concern. She's got a serious engine and guts. Just what you want in a racehorse

Slattsy

BumperD wrote: »

She's improving at a rate of knots. The Betopin dudes did some glorious aftertiming on their podcast about them backing her at 66's so hopefully she gets there. Would be a long season though thats my only concern. She's got a serious engine and guts. Just what you want in a racehorse

Travels beautifully. And quickens. She ticks a lot of boxes for me. Bust schedule recently but very lightly raced, and has won some races rather easily. This mare is making me very aroused.

Yes. I've had pints!

IAMAMORON

Slattsy wrote: »

Princess Zoe for the Mares Novice @ 20/1

Backed her for this race a few weeks ago for this race. Trainer has already said her owner wants to go down this route, so we know its the plan and also he might aim her at the Cadran, a Group One, so he knows she's a good un. I see she's as short as 10/1 in places, but 16s still available.

Reason i'm posting is that she goes again tonight in Galway. If she wins this well, against an Oaks second in Ennistymon, i think she will shorten massively. Has been backed off the boards so she appears to well fancied to go in again. And to be perfectly honest, even if she doesnt win tonight i still think she'll win at Cheltenham

They should supplement her for the Matron, she keeps on winning races.

Edit - although a mile could be too short

krustydoyle

Envoi Allen going over Fences anyway

Slattsy

krustydoyle wrote: »

Envoi Allen going over Fences anyway

JLT seems to be favoured by all accounts. Poxy race for a horse of that calibre.

RivetingRoger

Slattsy wrote: »

JLT seems to be favoured by all accounts. Poxy race for a horse of that calibre.

Vautour is cross with u

supremenovice

Slattsy wrote: »

JLT seems to be favoured by all accounts. Poxy race for a horse of that calibre.

That race does dilute the Arkle somewhat. And the Arkle itself has a track record of being favourable to 3milers in the past such as Kicking King, Captain Chris, My way de Solzen, Cue Card and Sizing John either winning or second, so don't rule him out for that yet, if its an open renewal.At least it doesn't destroy horses like the RSA does.

lemush

supremenovice wrote: »

At least it doesn't destroy horses like the RSA does.

Absolute myth.

maximo31

First ante-post! Micro Manage for the Supreme @25/1. Future target according to David Casey on the TV there.

Pogue eile

lemush wrote: »

Absolute myth.

Can't agree with that to be honest, the evidence is pretty irrefutable. Bobs worth and Lord Widemere were held up as examples to refute the claim but outside of their two GC wins neither won a single other race of note.

Coneygree

Pogue eile wrote: »

Can't agree with that to be honest, the evidence is pretty irrefutable. Bobs worth and Lord Widemere were held up as examples to refute the claim but outside of their two GC wins neither won a single other race of note.

Bob's Worth won a Hennessy and a Lexus!

lemush

Pogue eile wrote: »

Can't agree with that to be honest, the evidence is pretty irrefutable. Bobs worth and Lord Widemere were held up as examples to refute the claim but outside of their two GC wins neither won a single other race of note.

The comment was that the race "destroys horses", it's incredibly lazy analysis that gets thrown around come every spring. Even the soft Might Bite won a King George after his RSA win, Don Poli won a Lexus after, Albertas Run went on to be a festival legend whilst a certain Denman didn't turn out too bad either.

To say the race destroys horses is bollox to put it lightly and bringing up two subsequent GC winners (Bob's Worth won a Hennesy off top weight, and a Lexus chase along with his GC) only strengthens that view.

Rabbit Redux

supremenovice wrote: »

At least it doesn't destroy horses like the RSA does.

Winning a Sun Alliance Chase didn't do Denman too much harm, and Albertas Run dropped back in trip after winning it to land two Ryanairs and a Melling Chase. Might Bite won a King George the season after winning his RSA. That theory doesn't really stack up.

Pogue eile

Coneygree wrote: »

Bob's Worth won a Hennessy and a Lexus!

Hands up had forgotten about his Lexus win, but beating Tidal Bay in a handicap receiving 6lbs and beating First Lieutenant by a little over a length is hardly noteworthy form

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

Can't agree with that to be honest, the evidence is pretty irrefutable. Bobs worth and Lord Widemere were held up as examples to refute the claim but outside of their two GC wins neither won a single other race of note.

Denman won an RSA also.

Good horses have no issue with it. There are also hard luck stories like Weopons Amnesty or TopoftheGAme.

There is a squeak of an argument around it affecting a horse constitution , but Don Poli, Might Bite and dare I say it Pres Percy are hardly unsuccessful horsies either.

Bostons Angel never got the mud he loved after and the same could be said O'Faoillains Boy albeit he preferred good ground.

I don't think it destroys good horses, sure Al Boum Photo was bet and then fell 2 out when he ran.

RivetingRoger

First AP done
Percy 25s in GC
I know.... I know.....
But..... Gordon might, just might work the magic and anyway, it gave me a warm fuzzy feeling so feck it 😊

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Denman won an RSA also.

Good horses have no issue with it. There are also hard luck stories like Weopons Amnesty or TopoftheGAme.

There is a squeak of an argument around it affecting a horse constitution , but Don Poli, Might Bite and dare I say it Pres Percy are hardly unsuccessful horsies either.

Bostons Angel never got the mud he loved after and the same could be said O'Faoillains Boy albeit he preferred good ground.

I don't think it destroys good horses, sure Al Boum Photo was bet and then fell 2 out when he ran.

The original comment wasn't mine and I do agree that a blanket statement that "it destroys horses" is over the top, there is little doubt that it has left a mark on plenty of horses, it is after all a 3m championship race for novices where they have to travel faster than they ever have, I think its fair to say its not for everyone. And of course Denman was a freak!!

supremenovice

Pogue eile wrote: »

The original comment wasn't mine and I do agree that a blanket statement that "it destroys horses" is over the top, there is little doubt that it has left a mark on plenty of horses, it is after all a 3m championship race for novices where they have to travel faster than they ever have, I think its fair to say its not for everyone. And of course Denman was a freak!!

The original quote was mine, and on reflection, I maybe did oversell it with the word 'destroy'. But the race always worries me when I see them legless at the end of it. I really hope Champ and Allaho can serve it up to them this season but I'm pessimistic. If I was Envois owner, the season would revolve around the Arkle then King George the following Christmas to test the 3miles.

krustydoyle

So any hype horses this season.. I see JP has been busy with chequebook again

RivetingRoger

A lot of talk about this Micro Manage from Closutton
Jon Snow could be interesting and of course you have the Andy Dufresnes etc altho he starting to remind me of Blue Sari
Malone Rd hugely interesting, and my personal fav to watch this year is Gypsy Island, must see about getting a "win any race" price for Cheltenham
I think she could be very very special

krustydoyle

JP bought this P2P horse by the name of Gars De Sceaux (Gordon will train it) thats been talked up in certain circles
Won its P2P in Borris House by 6 lengths and he bought the horse than finished 2nd that day also Magic Tricks

IAMAMORON

krustydoyle wrote: »

JP bought this P2P horse by the name of Gars De Sceaux (Gordon will train it) thats been talked up in certain circles
Won its P2P in Borris House by 6 lengths and he bought the horse than finished 2nd that day also Magic Tricks

Probably win the Irish National in 4-5 years.

We will never know when to be getting on and you can be sure it will be losing races also.

You will make more money backing the Queen of England's string in fairness, they are always trying anyways.

There is nothing to see here, please move on.



I never got why he has nevered named a horse " The crafty wee hoooer " or something similar. If I go missing I loved you all.

The Mig

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Probably win the Irish National in 4-5 years.

We will never know when to be getting on and you can be sure it will be losing races also.

You will make more money backing the Queen of England's string in fairness, they are always trying anyways.

There is nothing to see here, please move on.



I never got why he has nevered named a horse " The crafty wee hoooer " or something similar. If I go missing I loved you all.

Moron, he already has a horse called Shady Operator. Perfect name!

New Era

Former Cheltenham Gold Cup winner Sizing John is entered for a 2 and a half mile conditions chase, on the opening day of the Listowel harvest racing festival, commencing on this Sunday. Hope he runs, but the warm and dry weather recently might scupper his welcome reappearance to the racecourse.