Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

AssetBacked2 · 17-11-2020 02:56PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

This is not wishful thinking. Rolling lockouts can be avoided by pitching the level of restrictions correctly.

We can avoid future L5 type restrictions by designing a variant L3 that will maintain an R0 at or slightly below 1. Relaxations of that will than happen through the course of the year according to the vaccine rollout programme.

This is now the plan. It will enable the producing sectors of the economy to avoid future closures, schools to remain open, and limited travel and small group social activities to resume in due course.

You know there is already a level 1 - 5 plan designed. Not sure why you are talking about revising it by talking of a L3 variant and why you are skipping level 4?

What is required is for each step to be quantified by, for example, case incidence per 100,000. This is where NPHET are showing their ignorance and incompetence by not working within this level 1 - 5 framework.

wakka12 · 17-11-2020 02:59PM

Seweryn wrote: »

Excess deaths or deaths tagged as "died with Cov"? That is a major difference.
Our so called excess deaths are also near 2k, but in reality there is a lot less excess deaths in 2020 (a few hundreds at most) if you compare the death numbers to the average in previous years.

I'm talking about excess deaths in Spain, nothing to do with how deaths were categorised as this figure does not take that fact into account, 60,000 more people in Spain have died than in a usual year already. Highly concentrated in the over 65 age group, and in places where there were large covid outbreaks such as Madrid, so seems very difficult to attribute to other causes

road_high · 17-11-2020 03:03PM

Guess it's safe to say at this stage the latest restrictions will not be lifted before the 01st December (if then). All been said before but what a spineless lack of leadership from government, hiding behind the Nphet zealots like clockwork.

Pitch n Putt · 17-11-2020 03:08PM

road_high wrote: »

Guess it's safe to say at this stage the latest restrictions will not be lifted before the 01st December (if then). All been said before but what a spineless lack of leadership from government, hiding behind the Nphet zealots like clockwork.

Ah yes the classic

“We were advised “

That’s the get out card with any sticky questions.

Useless beyond belief

Whiplash85 · 17-11-2020 03:08PM

road_high wrote: »

You just can’t help the truly brainwashed. Best you can do is live your life. Don’t bring up Covid at all ever with her. Let it go. As you begin to live your lives again (hopefully soon for us all) she can come around to choosing to live too or she can let life pass her by, missing out on everything and all those occasions we’ve missed for the past year. I guarantee eventually she’ll want to rejoin the human race. But dont force the issue

Yeah I had a 2 hour debate with my own parents the other night. Similar to what poster above stated. I think the advice you offered is something I will take on board. They seemed to think my views about lockdowns not working etc were off the wall and hoped I wouldn't express them in public. Then they wondered if I gleaned them off a message board where bitterness is the main currency. My parents would watch 6/9pm news on RTE, watch Prime Time and late late show every day/week. I blame RTE for the constant fear mongering. Listening to the auld lad lately is like listening to George Lee.

brisan · 17-11-2020 03:10PM

moonage wrote: »

A new wave starting in March? That doesn't make any sense.

The current "wave" is due to the seasonal nature of coronaviruses during the colder months.

By March the numbers should be low, largely because of high levels of natural immunity developed in the population.

With the christmas gatherings I expect a third wave end of Jan early Feb

brisan · 17-11-2020 03:11PM

moonage wrote: »

A new wave starting in March? That doesn't make any sense.

The current "wave" is due to the seasonal nature of coronaviruses during the colder months.

By March the numbers should be low, largely because of high levels of natural immunity developed in the population.

How do you explain the second waves in the southern hemisphere

brisan · 17-11-2020 03:12PM

hmmm wrote: »

I don't think I've seen a prioritisation list published, so I'm only assuming health care workers will get it first. I saw that UK list has nursing homes first which is an interesting choice, it'll be interesting to see what we choose to do. The profile of the vaccine will presumably guide us also, one vaccine might work better in older people.

Based on news reports from other EU countries, it sounds like we might hopefully receive around 250,000 doses from Pfizer in January. This would allow us to administer a first dose to a lot of people.

250,000 DOSES
125,000 people
roughly 2.5 % of the population

brisan · 17-11-2020 03:16PM

average_runner wrote: »

There is always ways. Can deploy the army or get the north to agree to one island.

European countries surrounded by other countries closed their borders

Northern ireland is still part of Britain ,how would that work

brisan · 17-11-2020 03:18PM

average_runner wrote: »

How did the european countries do it?

The vast majority of them did not and still do not

brisan · 17-11-2020 03:22PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

There will always be the people of poor judgement or reason who will be tempted to ignore restrictions. But fortunately they are few, and those more rational and with a greater sense of community cooperation will understand and thus comply with the guidelines. We must encourage all to do follow the advice.

The reality is that the required average level of restriction will be applied whatever. So those skirting them, are simply prompting the levels to be raised, so that those complying, shoulder and even greater burden in the virus suppression.

Anyone not following regulations is being deviant, antisocial, and has no care for justice or fairness towards their fellow citizens.

You have excelled yourself now
i am a deviant ?????

BeefeaterHat · 17-11-2020 03:22PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Yeah I had a 2 hour debate with my own parents the other night. Similar to what poster above stated. I think the advice you offered is something I will take on board. They seemed to think my views about lockdowns not working etc were off the wall and hoped I wouldn't express them in public. Then they wondered if I gleaned them off a message board where bitterness is the main currency. My parents would watch 6/9pm news on RTE, watch Prime Time and late late show every day/week. I blame RTE for the constant fear mongering. Listening to the auld lad lately is like listening to George Lee.

The fact that they think you shouldn't express that opinion in public is mad. I'm not going to say anything drastic or dramatic but the hive mindset is getting crazy. I was on Reddit Ireland a few weeks ago and lads were on about public beatings being called for. Wtf is going on?

BeefeaterHat · 17-11-2020 03:25PM

brisan wrote: »

Northern ireland is still part of Britain ,how would that work

I'm guessing the UK won't mind us lopping off a massive chunk of their country. Look how casual they were about the Falklands

risteard7 · 17-11-2020 03:26PM

Is that cartoon painting of Hoolahan still on the pub in Dublin? Surely it has been removed since. It's quite insulting to a lot of people

17-11-2020 03:29PM

rob316 wrote: »

I was reading about Prof Lambert sending that letter to government yesterday and I wanted to see who actually sits on NPHET.
Is this a joke? Where are the scientists and epidemiologists? It seems to be just GP's and HSE management.

I've highlighted two members who might actually have experience in pandemics and viruses.

You will often hear in some movies, as an expert is brought into the room, this is doctor........he's a chief obstetric surgeon who specializes in abnormalities of the unborn..so to speak... the reason NPHET are all less qualified is exactly so they go along and don't ask questions. Why do you think highly qualified speakers are doing seminars that put bums on seats..who'd pay to see a group of nodding dogs...they have been chosen to play a role, down to the glasses and awkward clark kent style demeanor..this is a form of social engineering aimed at the masses..when everyone is exhausted they'll do anything for normality or a version of it. If you listen to the "mental health" cries, you'll realize it's almost like mass sleep deprivation now at this stage people are so jaded by it..here we are all fingers crossed hoping for level 2!! hoping for less restrictions in our lives just because we're being told, Many are dying for it!"

BeefeaterHat · 17-11-2020 03:30PM

risteard7 wrote: »

Is that cartoon painting of Hoolahan still on the pub in Dublin? Surely it has been removed since. It's quite insulting to a lot of people

I think with the way hospitality has been treated by Holohan it'll most likely be an effigy next time, not a mural.

average_runner · 17-11-2020 03:31PM

brisan wrote: »

The vast majority of them did not and still do not

But 9 of them did do it, so it is possible

average_runner · 17-11-2020 03:32PM

brisan wrote: »

Northern ireland is still part of Britain ,how would that work

Then just close the border between south and north. Other countries did it with bigger borders in Europe.

road_high · 17-11-2020 03:34PM

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Yeah I had a 2 hour debate with my own parents the other night. Similar to what poster above stated. I think the advice you offered is something I will take on board. They seemed to think my views about lockdowns not working etc were off the wall and hoped I wouldn't express them in public. Then they wondered if I gleaned them off a message board where bitterness is the main currency. My parents would watch 6/9pm news on RTE, watch Prime Time and late late show every day/week. I blame RTE for the constant fear mongering. Listening to the auld lad lately is like listening to George Lee.

You really do have to remove yourself from it. Just withdraw from engagement as it feeds the monster. 9 months of this madness at this stage- there is only so much rational human beings can take - what is any of it actually achieving? Nothing for her likes of me, but it’s making an awful lot of money and opportunities for certain people. Without question Nphet are one of the worst creations to be ever foisted on this country

average_runner · 17-11-2020 03:35PM

road_high wrote: »

You really do have to remove yourself from it. Just withdraw from engagement as it feeds the monster. 9 months of this madness at this stage- there is only so much rational human beings can take - what is any of it actually achieving? Nothing for her likes of me, but it’s making an awful lot of money and opportunities for certain people. Without question Nphet are one of the worst creations to be ever foisted on this country

Covid or no covid, the same groups makes load of money.

road_high · 17-11-2020 03:38PM

average_runner wrote: »

Covid or no covid, the same groups makes load of money.

There in lies the chasm of division. Who are the government supposed to be governing for- the vast majority of people or subsets of pampered vested interests they appear intrinsically linked to? Two guesses!

average_runner · 17-11-2020 03:43PM

road_high wrote: »

There in lies the chasm of division. Who are the government supposed to be governing for- the vast majority of people or subsets of pampered vested interests they appear intrinsically linked to? Two guesses!

That is how the world works. The so called "pampered interests" are the ones who create income for us all.

road_high · 17-11-2020 03:46PM

average_runner wrote: »

That is how the world works. The so called "pampered interests" are the ones who create income for us all.

Nphet, government bureaucrats etc create wealth for us all? Lol
No, what these do is stifle economic freedom and protect self interests for themselves at the expense of others.

average_runner · 17-11-2020 03:49PM

road_high wrote: »

Nphet, government bureaucrats etc create wealth for us all? Lol
No, what these do is stifle economic freedom and protect self interests for themselves at the expense of others.

Governments looks after the big lads in the countries, as these big lads run's the company or provides a service to a company that gives you a job.

Ten of Swords · 17-11-2020 03:54PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

This is now the plan.

MelbourneMan you have been warned about implied insider knowledge posts before. Do not post in this thread again

funnydoggy · 17-11-2020 04:04PM

We'll be shaking off the societal and economic effects of COVID for years to come I feel.

RobitTV · 17-11-2020 04:05PM

Something very menacing I have noticed over the past few days is how the 'experts' and the hysterical media are downplaying the positive vaccine news. Some of these 'experts' are now saying we need to continue wearing masks and maintain social distancing for years, even after the vaccine has been given to millions of people. This whole situation is becoming very bizarre...

They keep putting out this negative information in public in order to keep people 'in line' for possibly years to come. How can they possibly keep on downplaying the vaccine? one minute they says its 90-95% effective, but then all of a sudden it's not the solution!

FintanMcluskey · 17-11-2020 04:07PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Something very menacing I have noticed over the past few days is how the 'experts' and the hysterical media are downplaying the positive vaccine news. Some of these 'experts' are now saying we need to continue wearing masks and maintain social distancing for years, even after the vaccine has been given to millions of people. This whole situation is becoming very bizarre...

They keep putting out this negative information in public in order to keep people 'in line' for possibly years to come. How can they possibly keep on downplaying the vaccine? one minute they says its 90-95% effective, but then all of a sudden it's not the solution!

They refer to the vaccine as “complimenting” the current measures.

There is no out

Penfailed · 17-11-2020 04:08PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why was it decided that this committee need 40 people on it and all of them essentially the same profession?
Where are the economists and business representatives?

...because it's the National Public Health Emergency Team. The clue is in the name. They should set up a National Economic Emergency Team to counter them. That would be neat...

rob316 · 17-11-2020 04:11PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Something very menacing I have noticed over the past few days is how the 'experts' and the hysterical media are downplaying the positive vaccine news. Some of these 'experts' are now saying we need to continue wearing masks and maintain social distancing for years, even after the vaccine has been given to millions of people. This whole situation is becoming very bizarre...

They keep putting out this negative information in public in order to keep people 'in line' for possibly years to come. How can they possibly keep on downplaying the vaccine? one minute they says its 90-95% effective, but then all of a sudden it's not the solution!

sure most these fellas are out a job if this passes over.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings