Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

PARlance · 16-11-2020 01:42AM

MfMan wrote: »

Doubt Cavanagh was thick with O'Rourke about Harte's fairwell. He had enough of a job trying to pay tribute himself through rather gritted teeth; remember, it didn't end so well between the pair when Cavanagh hung up the boots. Don't think they speak now.

That's true, he did start out by putting the emphasis of the great bunch of players and I know it didn't end well but I do think there was some respect for the achievements still there. He (rightly) piped up a few times when O'Rourke was talking sh1te. Maybe he was defending his County moreso than his former Manager... but I do think he was fairly annoyed with the way O'Rourke was going on.

Green&Red · 16-11-2020 09:45AM

km79 wrote: »

What penalty incident is he referring to?

The McLaughlin black card

dobman88 · 16-11-2020 10:47AM

Jesus I missed that puck on young Conroy yesterday. That clip is rotten looking. Our younger players need protecting from that type of nonsense.

In both incidents, a Galway man goes in dirty with a Mayo man already down or unable to defend himself. Pure and utter scumbag stuff and that's coming from a neutral. I'd normally be in the camp of lads can take care of themselves, especially Aidan, but jesus. Give a lad a fair dig and see how you end up.

I was watching just to see a decent game but after seeing those tweets above I'm absolutely delighted for Mayo and I'm even more happy that yer man took the black late on which seems to have pìssed off many Galway fans. Pure thuggery yesterday.

gigantic09 · 16-11-2020 11:39AM

dobman88 wrote: »

Jesus I missed that puck on young Conroy yesterday. That clip is rotten looking. Our younger players need protecting from that type of nonsense.

In both incidents, a Galway man goes in dirty with a Mayo man already down or unable to defend himself. Pure and utter scumbag stuff and that's coming from a neutral. I'd normally be in the camp of lads can take care of themselves, especially Aidan, but jesus. Give a lad a fair dig and see how you end up.

I was watching just to see a decent game but after seeing those tweets above I'm absolutely delighted for Mayo and I'm even more happy that yer man took the black late on which seems to have pìssed off many Galway fans. Pure thuggery yesterday.

In fairness though it was never going to be a free flowing affair, given it was pearse stadium in the middle of winter with so much at stake for both teams. We're no angels ourselves sometimes. The league match between the two teams was like a preseason exhibition game with little intensity and we were never going to have had it that easy again.
Great now to have the 3 weeks to get ready for Croke Park. Looks like we'll need every minute of it, but anything from now on is a bonus. The team is transitioning alot faster than I imagined it would with so many of the old guard now peripheral figures all gone altogether. Hopefully it won't be long before we can get get on the road supporting them.

Fr Tod Umptious · 16-11-2020 11:55AM

Delighted for this group of players that they have a Connacht title under their belt and at least a Semi Final appearance

Back throughout 2018 ad 2019 there was a certain sense that this team was finished, the old reliables were getting old and injured and there was a sense that there was no real spring of youth in the team.

Fair enough they won the league with a good mix in 2019 but the defeat to Roscommon really fecked them.

The defeat to Dublin in 2019 played out as it could have been scripted.
A pieced together Mayo team, on their last legs, hang in there for 35 mins v Dublin but then get blown away in the 2nd half.
The Mayo of old would hang in there for 75mins and then lose by a point.

And then look at the pre-COVID league, Galway rampant, Mayo could only scrape past Meath

But it has all turned around.
Mayo may have been relegated but not without a fight, then they sweep aside Leitrim and Roscommon, and they get past Galway yesterday (and were the better team all day).
And all done so with a mixture of youth and experience.
No longer relying on the likes of Higgins, Boyle, Keegan, Doherty etc to bail them out, the young lads can bail themselves out.

Now they have a very real chance of getting to the All Ireland final.
I don't rate Cork one bit, they did nothing v Kerry only play lateral ball and try stay in touch while Kerry imploded, and that's all that happened
If Mayo ran at them they would punch holes, get up a head of steam that Cork would really struggle to catch up with.
I don't know anything about Tipp.

This is beginning to remind me of 2011 and 2012.
A team with a young age profile, getting deep in the championship when people did not expect them to and getting the experience needed to keep doing that year after year.

Audioslaven · 16-11-2020 12:50PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Delighted for this group of players that they have a Connacht title under their belt and at least a Semi Final appearance

Back throughout 2018 ad 2019 there was a certain sense that this team was finished, the old reliables were getting old and injured and there was a sense that there was no real spring of youth in the team.

Fair enough they won the league with a good mix in 2019 but the defeat to Roscommon really fecked them.

The defeat to Dublin in 2019 played out as it could have been scripted.
A pieced together Mayo team, on their last legs, hang in there for 35 mins v Dublin but then get blown away in the 2nd half.
The Mayo of old would hang in there for 75mins and then lose by a point.

And then look at the pre-COVID league, Galway rampant, Mayo could only scrape past Meath

But it has all turned around.
Mayo may have been relegated but not without a fight, then they sweep aside Leitrim and Roscommon, and they get past Galway yesterday (and were the better team all day).
And all done so with a mixture of youth and experience.
No longer relying on the likes of Higgins, Boyle, Keegan, Doherty etc to bail them out, the young lads can bail themselves out.

Now they have a very real chance of getting to the All Ireland final.
I don't rate Cork one bit, they did nothing v Kerry only play lateral ball and try stay in touch while Kerry imploded, and that's all that happened
If Mayo ran at them they would punch holes, get up a head of steam that Cork would really struggle to catch up with.
I don't know anything about Tipp.

This is beginning to remind me of 2011 and 2012.
A team with a young age profile, getting deep in the championship when people did not expect them to and getting the experience needed to keep doing that year after year.

Be under no illusion, if Cork get through against Tipp, we are in a similar game like Galway. They play so defensively that I expect a dog fight. They always seem to raise their game against us as well.

We have a few things going for us in that it will be in CP so the surface will suit our running game and the pitch allows for more open football as I always feel it is a bigger ground. I think we were a bit tired as well especially in the second half and even though Ruane got MOTM - he looked like he was not at 100%, same for Mcloughlin. If it went to extra time, I felt we could be in bother. The three weeks should have us in prime condition for the Munster champions.

km79 · 16-11-2020 01:15PM

I think Tipp might beat Cork .......

Fr Tod Umptious · 16-11-2020 01:19PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

Be under no illusion, if Cork get through against Tipp, we are in a similar game like Galway. They play so defensively that I expect a dog fight. They always seem to raise their game against us as well.

We have a few things going for us in that it will be in CP so the surface will suit our running game and the pitch allows for more open football as I always feel it is a bigger ground. I think we were a bit tired as well especially in the second half and even though Ruane got MOTM - he looked like he was not at 100%, same for Mcloughlin. If it went to extra time, I felt we could be in bother. The three weeks should have us in prime condition for the Munster champions.

I don't think they have the attacking prowess of Galway.
Now obviously I'm just basing that on one game on a wet night but they did not look any bit interested in talking the game to Kerry.

Mayo have previously struggled to break down defensive teams, like Tyrone, but Tyrone are a fast transition team that counter attack
I can't recall seeing any counter attack in Cork last week.

I'm certainly not dismissing them, but if Mayo can get a lead I think they may be more comfortable holding on to it that they were yesterday

crossman47 · 16-11-2020 02:39PM

Mayo still have a problem with kick outs. Clarke is the best keeper so why not get a back to take them. Clarke could move out to take a short one and so opposition will not have a spare man.

charolais0153 · 16-11-2020 02:44PM

km79 wrote: »

I think Tipp might beat Cork .......

Limerick could of beaten tipp, I don't think they'll beat Cork tbh

flasher0030 · 16-11-2020 02:54PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Mayo still have a problem with kick outs. Clarke is the best keeper so why not get a back to take them. Clarke could move out to take a short one and so opposition will not have a spare man.

Brings too much spotlight on the issue. No team does that. Surely would suck the confidence out of David Clarke, standing there whilst one of his backs is taking the kickout. The manager is effectively admitting to the world that he doesn't have confidence in his keeper.

And how do you reckon that any of the backs would do better. At least it's something that Clarke has been familiar with, particularly in the past 5 or 6 years when the keepers role on kickouts has become more prevalent. You cannot hand Chris Barrett the ball and say Right CHris, I want you ping that ball out on to the chest of the wing back, whilst taking account of the players running movement and speed, and also how many opposition players are likely to end up in that vicinity by the time the ball lands.

RedDevil55 · 16-11-2020 02:56PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Mayo still have a problem with kick outs. Clarke is the best keeper so why not get a back to take them. Clarke could move out to take a short one and so opposition will not have a spare man.

Which one of the backs could you rely on kicking off the ground? There's no way any of them would be better than Clarke, who is practicing day in day out.

wirelessdude01 · 16-11-2020 02:57PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Mayo still have a problem with kick outs. Clarke is the best keeper so why not get a back to take them. Clarke could move out to take a short one and so opposition will not have a spare man.

Rules state that if the keeper isn't taking the kickout that they have to wait in the small square.

PARlance · 16-11-2020 03:07PM

dobman88 wrote: »

Jesus I missed that puck on young Conroy yesterday. That clip is rotten looking. Our younger players need protecting from that type of nonsense.

In both incidents, a Galway man goes in dirty with a Mayo man already down or unable to defend himself. Pure and utter scumbag stuff and that's coming from a neutral. I'd normally be in the camp of lads can take care of themselves, especially Aidan, but jesus. Give a lad a fair dig and see how you end up.

I was watching just to see a decent game but after seeing those tweets above I'm absolutely delighted for Mayo and I'm even more happy that yer man took the black late on which seems to have pìssed off many Galway fans. Pure thuggery yesterday.

In the interest of fairness, I think DO'C left a lazy hand into a tackle, late on in the second half.

I'm sure it wouldn't look the prettiest in a tweet either. Maybe it was a little more than a hand and it mightn't have been completely lazy either, and that's ok too, I'd be firmly in the camp that you don't let another team away with the carry on Galway were at.

Seeing the crying going on about the well timed foul makes it all the sweeter.

PARlance · 16-11-2020 03:18PM

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Which one of the backs could you rely on kicking off the ground? There's no way any of them would be better than Clarke, who is practicing day in day out.

Not that it's a realistic option but I'm sure Keegan would be well fit for it. Think it was him that hit that peach of a pass on the ground yesterday.

I don't think it's the lack of practice that is the issue with Clarke, it's the flight off the ball/his technique. His kicking style results in a ball that hangs in the air. It's not exactly easy to change a kicking style/technique.

His accuracy is pretty good, he nearly always finds his man. But you'd nearly want him kicking into open space, so at last our fielders could run onto it as well.

Iirc Rochford used that for a while. He'd have our players bunch in the middle and then attack space on our own kick outs. It was extremely effective in one big game against the Dubs, can't remember which one but I do remember we one 21 out of 22 of our own kickouts that day.

wirelessdude01 · 16-11-2020 03:36PM

PARlance wrote: »

Not that it's a realistic option but I'm sure Keegan would be well fit for it. Think it was him that hit that peach of a pass on the ground yesterday.

I don't think it's the lack of practice that is the issue with Clarke, it's the flight off the ball/his technique. His kicking style results in a ball that hangs in the air. It's not exactly easy to change a kicking style/technique.

His accuracy is pretty good, he nearly always finds his man. But you'd nearly want him kicking into open space, so at last our fielders could run onto it as well.

Iirc Rochford used that for a while. He'd have our players bunch in the middle and then attack space on our own kick outs. It was extremely effective in one big game against the Dubs, can't remember which one but I do remember we one 21 out of 22 of our own kickouts that day.

The bunch and break kickout into space was one of the calls we had with our U15/16 team this year. Honestly looking at the kickout strategy of teams it seems that it isn't something that alot of teams seem to work on properly. Dublin and Donegal have very deliberate set plays they use for kickouts but I don't think we really do.

The last kickout out over the sideline reminded me of the AI final where Dublin dragged us all down to the ground. Clarke got the flutters and sent it straight over the Cusack sideline and game over.

flasher0030 · 16-11-2020 04:26PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The bunch and break kickout into space was one of the calls we had with our U15/16 team this year. Honestly looking at the kickout strategy of teams it seems that it isn't something that alot of teams seem to work on properly. Dublin and Donegal have very deliberate set plays they use for kickouts but I don't think we really do.

The last kickout out over the sideline reminded me of the AI final where Dublin dragged us all down to the ground. Clarke got the flutters and sent it straight over the Cusack sideline and game over.

Same as. I couldn't believe it when I saw the ball floating over the players, out over the line.

Cartman78 · 16-11-2020 04:36PM

flasher0030 wrote: »

Same as. I couldn't believe it when I saw the ball floating over the players, out over the line.

I think Clarke's head (in terms of lockouts) was totally frazzled at that stage

homewardbound11 · 16-11-2020 05:51PM

km79 wrote: »

I think Tipp might beat Cork .......

Id have an outside wager on that one too.

rrs · 16-11-2020 05:58PM

Colin O Riordan available, which will be interesting for Tipperary. They are strong around midfield, Jack Kennedy, Stephen O Brien. Quinlivan and Sweeney class acts in the forwards

HBC08 · 16-11-2020 08:50PM

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Fair play to him. Thought it was a penalty for a split second. Then was thinking of a Michael Meehan situation, was relieved to see Walsh tap it over.

I was bricking it when he was lining up to take that free at the end,
I think it was Walsh that went for goal and got it from a free against us in Limerick last year

Zeek12 · 16-11-2020 09:04PM

PARlance wrote: »

Not that it's a realistic option but I'm sure Keegan would be well fit for it. Think it was him that hit that peach of a pass on the ground yesterday.

I don't think it's the lack of practice that is the issue with Clarke, it's the flight off the ball/his technique. His kicking style results in a ball that hangs in the air. It's not exactly easy to change a kicking style/technique.

His accuracy is pretty good, he nearly always finds his man. But you'd nearly want him kicking into open space, so at last our fielders could run onto it as well.

Iirc Rochford used that for a while. He'd have our players bunch in the middle and then attack space on our own kick outs. It was extremely effective in one big game against the Dubs, can't remember which one but I do remember we one 21 out of 22 of our own kickouts that day.

I can't remember the exact game vs the Dubs either, but we almost certainly had a better physical presence and better fielders around midfield back then. Not quite the same now.

Loftus at midfield will get found out eventually imo.

We've got by Ok there so far but we're significantly weaker in the centre now compared to most other years.

Don't know enough about Cork/Tipp to say they're good enough to really target us there, but certainly in an AI Final (if we should get there), the best sides like the Dubs or Donegal will expose weak spots like this very quickly.

Is a return for Parsons likely to happen at all?

HBC08 · 16-11-2020 09:08PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Ref? Wtf are you on about? I’ve not commented on the ref. Ref called it perfectly, my issue is with the players and the response from “fans” here applauding what a player did. You haven’t a breeze if you think my issue is with the ref.

You're a very angry man.
It must really wind you up that you have a pure Mayo name aswell.

km79 · 16-11-2020 09:20PM

Isn’t is feckin brilliant to have an AI semi to look forward to.
Podcasts. Newspapers
Sure what else would ya be at on these long evenings ......

Green&Red · 16-11-2020 09:40PM

km79 wrote: »

Isn’t is feckin brilliant to have an AI semi to look forward to.
Podcasts. Newspapers
Sure what else would ya be at on these long evenings ......

Hoovering them up

PARlance · 16-11-2020 09:50PM

Zeek12 wrote: »

I can't remember the exact game vs the Dubs either, but we almost certainly had a better physical presence and better fielders around midfield back then. Not quite the same now.

Loftus at midfield will get found out eventually imo.

We've got by Ok there so far but we're significantly weaker in the centre now compared to most other years.

Don't know enough about Cork/Tipp to say they're good enough to really target us there, but certainly in an AI Final (if we should get there), the best sides like the Dubs or Donegal will expose weak spots like this very quickly.

Is a return for Parsons likely to happen at all?

True, we don't have the physical presence but all the more reason to be doing something to avoid an out and out fielding duel imo.

Would have to agree with Wireless, I kinda like looking into the coaching of other sports and I'm really surprised that we don't have more set plays from kick outs, in GAA in general.

I know there are probably plenty of things being worked on and that I might miss half the stuff while watching, but there does seem to be a gap there in terms of what teams should and could be doing. Such a vital part of the modern game.

Let's worry about Tipp or Cork before we start to worry about Donegal

And I would worry about the Semi, we've only really done just enough so far, the Rossies could have gotten back into it if they had more about them and we really sailed close to the edge yesterday.

No idea about Tom really.

seligehgit · 16-11-2020 09:55PM

Zeek12 wrote: »

I can't remember the exact game vs the Dubs either, but we almost certainly had a better physical presence and better fielders around midfield back then. Not quite the same now.

Loftus at midfield will get found out eventually imo.

We've got by Ok there so far but we're significantly weaker in the centre now compared to most other years.

Don't know enough about Cork/Tipp to say they're good enough to really target us there, but certainly in an AI Final (if we should get there), the best sides like the Dubs or Donegal will expose weak spots like this very quickly.

Is a return for Parsons likely to happen at all?

Wow David Clarke collected his 8th Connacht medal just shy of his 37th year!

Some man.

Neither Cork nor Tipp will be soft touches.

Cork have loads of quality footballers.Powter burst onto the scene in that famous qualifier in Limerick,Maguire is a potential powerhouse in the middle,Collins,the Hurley brothers,Deane and super sub Keane.

Mind boggles how Luke Connolly started on the bench.

Even when at their peak,our Horan mark 1,Rochford teams struggled against Cork.

Having said all that Kerry putting in a place a very negative game plan they hoped to utilise for an All Ireland final v Dublin really backfired.If they had played in a more positive fashion and pushed on for the kill I think would have won the game relatvely comfortably.

Ditto we struggled against Tipp in that All Ireland semi final,a fortuitous second goal late on putting the game beyond doubt.The qualifier in Semple stadium with a severely depleted team escaped with their life before we perished on the rock that was Newbridge or Nowhere.

Quinlavin,Sweeney,O Riordan ( now available ),Maher,Kennedy.Scrapped past a gallant Limerick outfit who were denied a stonewall penalty and missed a relative gimme free to force extra time.

As mobile as Matthew Ruane in particular is and his undoubted march to becoming a top truly quality midfielder,he is not known for his ability to win primary possession.I worry about his partnership and in particular Conor Loftus's ability to compete with the Ian Maguire's,Kennedy's,Murphy's and any 2 of the 3 of Fenton ( the best midfielder in the country bar none ),Howard,Mc Carthy or whoever else is i lar na pairce.

seligehgit · 16-11-2020 09:56PM

km79 wrote: »

Isn’t is feckin brilliant to have an AI semi to look forward to.
Podcasts. Newspapers
Sure what else would ya be at on these long evenings ......

Loving the podcasts.Heaven!:D

RedDevil55 · 16-11-2020 10:18PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Wow David Clarke collected his 8th Connacht medal just shy of his 37th year!

Some man.

Neither Cork nor Tipp will be soft touches.

Cork have loads of quality footballers.Powter burst onto the scene in that famous qualifier in Limerick,Maguire is a potential powerhouse in the middle,Collins,the Hurley brothers,Deane and super sub Keane.

Mind boggles how Luke Connolly started on the bench.

Even when at their peak,our Horan mark 1,Rochford teams struggled against Cork.

Having said all that Kerry putting in a place a very negative game plan they hoped to utilise for an All Ireland final v Dublin really backfired.If they had played in a more positive fashion and pushed on for the kill I think would have won the game relatvely comfortably.

Ditto we struggled against Tipp in that All Ireland semi final,a fortuitous second goal late on putting the game beyond doubt.The qualifier in Semple stadium with a severely depleted team escaped with their life before we perished on the rock that was Newbridge or Nowhere.

Quinlavin,Sweeney,O Riordan ( now available ),Maher,Kennedy.Scrapped past a gallant Limerick outfit who were denied a stonewall penalty and missed a relative gimme free to force extra time.

As mobile as Matthew Ruane in particular is and his undoubted march to becoming a top truly quality midfielder,he is not known for his ability to win primary possession.I worry about his partnership and in particular Conor Loftus's ability to compete with the Ian Maguire's,Kennedy's,Murphy's and any 2 of the 3 of Fenton ( the best midfielder in the country bar none ),Howard,Mc Carthy or whoever else is i lar na pairce.

I think Clarke has 9 Connacht medals, although some were as a sub. 04, 06, 09, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 20.

seligehgit · 16-11-2020 10:43PM

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I think Clarke has 9 Connacht medals, although some were as a sub. 04, 06, 09, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 20.

I was too lazy to do the calculations.

Can't recall that he was marked absent/injured for any of those wins.

Relying on Mike Finnerty on the podcast.

Ceapaim go bhfuil an ceart agat.:)

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

Comments