Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

I know it's legal just pointing out how it going to mess it up for other business to reopen again

bigpink wrote: »

A good publician controls the crowd

There are no publicans at the moment.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

very true, but little you can do when the crowd isn't even near your pub thats not even operating as a pub and you don't have enough turnover to hire security.



if we had the standard infrastructure like public toilets and adequate rubbish bins these type of scenes wouldn't be happening, of course people would gather and drink but it wouldn't have been half as messy.

Sadly between heroin addicts, the council and bad elements of our culture almost none of this could happen.

Security are as much use as a chocolate tea pot when people are standing on the street anyway.

tom1ie wrote: »

If they can do it in Centeral Europe we can do it here.
Re toilets, regularly cleaned toilets with Uv lights for sterilisation.
Mask wearing enforced
No toilet use unless you sanitise hands before and after use.
Cleaning after every person so that people won’t destroy public toilets.

This is all very easy to put in place yet I haven’t heard anyone from the pub trade or in public office mentioning these measures.
If they want to open why are they waiting on the government to come up with ideas?!

Simple enough no one should object to this. I'd add good ventilation, all windows and doors open and a fan/filter to assist if needed. Som epubs might have this from pre smoke ban?

Well we need to instill better ethics in our young and old people not chastise the act of enjoying alcohol in a publix environment. Public spaces are for living. A city where people can congregate peacefully in a fun and enjoyable way is something we should aspire to, not reject.

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Certainly. Cafés, airlines, day care services, cinemas, live music performer, their theatres, and their associated lighting/stage/sound crews, all those associated with the management and running of spectator sports events, restaurants, although it must be corrected that no business have been closed for trying to pay their bills as you suggest.

Cafes were allowed open from June-october

Airlines never stopped

Day care services were open through the summer

Cinemas were open during the summer

Live music got the short straw because they were performing in pubs

I've been buying 2-3 livestream tickets a week to watch online shows, tipping the performers.

The techie economy has been knocked back but they are still getting work.

All your examples are industries that have seen a massive massive downturn in business, and I've worked in/have friends in most of them, but they've either had a limited chance to salvage something or they've had to Change how they offer their product.

Pubs operated as resteraunts - wasn't good enough
Opened for 15 people outsldoors - wasn't good enough
Sold off licence drinks - wasn't good enough.

People can deflect by saying that the Irish have a drink problem or whatever this weeks excuse is, but the fact is, pubs, more than anywhere else have been forced to bend over and take the fat end of a pint bottle without as much a please.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

the rest of us will enjoy our pints regardless.

Only if the pubs are open my man!

And if they are,I will be the first in line for a creamy pint! Looking forward to it!

MelbourneMan wrote: »

I dont think there is any anti pub agenda at all Sir. NPHET and the government are dealing with reducing the transmission rate of the virus by whatever effective and least harmful ways they can manage.

What is, lets say, interesting, is the level of noise the closure of pubs seems to be causing. Many other sectors are impacted to a similar or even greater degree by Level 5 resctrictions. Yet do not provoke the outrage and turmoil that do those with a touch of obsession to get their hands on 'creamy pints'.

Full closure for the moment is the option I would now be advocating, and does indeed appear to be the option about to be chosen.

It is clearly an attempt by the government / medical fraternity to redirect our social habits away from the pub environment to cafe culture and outdoor dining. Dr Mary Favier who is a member of NPHET was interviewed today on Clare Byrne and when asked about the pub opening plan proceeded to turn the conversation down the line of "we have a problem with our relationship with alcohol in this country" and " we are going to have huge problems with the proposal to open the pubs in the current environment"

The hospitality industry will be decimated and to a larger extent destroyed by this second lockdown. The first one, we all went along with but now we can all see behind the reasons for closing the pubs, they want them closed and destroyed utterly to change " pub culture forever" I also heard Professor Ruari Brugha from the RCSI being interviewed and when asked when did he see the pubs being reopened he replied that " he did`nt see pubs reopening in their current format and that authorities need to look at our relationship with alcohol andsee how we can reduce the amount of alcohol an individual can obtain. Also we need to look at how we can make pubs into something else more community based and that the pubs would have to adapt to the new order or they would fade away like the dinosaurs they have become.

This is the nonsense that is being peddled and is an example of what thinking is about. Crazy stuff and it had to be pushed back

growleaves wrote: »

MrStuffins you seem to simultaneously enjoy gloating deniably over the demise of the pub trade and tasty creamy delicious pints! Shame nobody believes you are sincere!

If the pubs industry is destroyed you can sit at home and drink a pint of cream to celebrate.

I think some people just have an issue believing anyone can think differently to them without having "an agenda". Like I'm some sort of Deep State actor, an agent provocateur sent by George Soros to bring down the pubs.

Not the case. I love pubs. And it's not pubs that are the problem. 95% of people who go to the pub will be fine. It's the selfish 5% who ruin it for the rest of us. Many of them are on this thread and they don't see that their actions have consequences.

There's not much the rest of us can did TBH! But hopefully we can all be in the pub by Christmas!

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Granted, you haven't used any of these words in this post but if you remove "creamy", "delicious" and "tasty" from your repertoire you'd probably find people are more receptive to you.

While I get what you're saying, I don't really give a creamy delicious pint how receptive anyone is. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Facts are facts.

The same people acting the maggot with the take away pints are the same people who will act the maggot in the pub and in other situations. It leads to restrictions like we have right now.

It's a shame, but there's not much you can do about it! Dopes gonna dope! Hopefully the cases will continue to come down and we can all have..... pints of Guinness.... this Christmas!