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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #3992
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,170 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    niallo27 wrote: »
    If we kept pubs closed we would safe thousands of alcohol releated deaths, further lockdowns would save hundreds of flu deaths, that's just two.

    Would you stop digging and read what you're posting ffs! It's just becoming absurd at this stage. Nobody wants restrictions, nobody enjoys putting their life on hold or suffering financially but sometimes, just sometimes, maybe even just once in our lifetimes we have to do or suffer something. It's more than a few lives. It has been quite a number of lives but, get into your head, it could be an awful lot more deaths if we didn't act.


  • #3993
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Russman wrote: »
    Even if that turns out to be true, how much is due to our two lockdowns saving lives that might otherwise not have been saved, whether from covid or not. Surely we can’t make an argument that 2,000 people died from/with Covid but the same number of people died overall as last year so it’s ok, can we ?
    Our first lockdown shut down our health system and is likely going to result in deaths, so it goes both ways really.


  • #3994
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Saw that , you posted it yesterday , very good article .
    So no overhead heaters outside then ?

    Sorry that wasn't me, was another poster. In terms of heaters, from doing a bit of reading it would seem
    heaters that use Infrared radiant heat are best bet. Overhead heaters that move and dry the surrounding air are more risky and not great for environment either.


  • #3995
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Would you stop digging and read what you're posting ffs! It's just becoming absurd at this stage. Nobody wants restrictions, nobody enjoys putting their life on hold or suffering financially but sometimes, just sometimes, maybe even just once in our lifetimes we have to do or suffer something. It's more than a few lives. It has been quite a number of lives but, get into your head, it could be an awful lot more deaths if we didn't act.

    Your coming late into the discussion, the original poster wanted level 5 until next June. Do you think this is logical.


  • #3996
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Your getting personal, you can't think rationally when your thinking personally. I would want everyone locked in their houses for the next year, everyone out of work, nobody to visit anyone if it meant saving someone in my family. Now do you think that is rationale.

    You got personal with the other poster wanting to know if they lost their job etc.

    If expect others to just take it and and let family die then you should be be prepared to do the same.


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  • #3997
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    spookwoman wrote: »
    You got personal with the other poster wanting to know if they lost their job etc.

    If expect others to just take it and and let family die then you should be be prepared to do the same.
    Who is letting family die? What are you actually on about?
    You know people die like it's a thing? I've had family members die this year, not from COVID, is that just to be ignored? Pretend they don't die?


  • #3998
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    People are going to die with or without COVID. We'll likely have the exact same amount of deaths as any given year, let's be honest.

    it's clear you and others here give zero f*cks for the older people in this country.

    also seems like you still don't get it as regards our hospital capacity. we let covid run unchecked and lots of more people die of non covid illness.


  • #3999
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    spookwoman wrote: »
    You got personal with the other poster wanting to know if they lost their job etc.

    If expect others to just take it and and let family die then you should be be prepared to do the same.

    Yes but its not rationale. I would not expect to shut down the country to save a family member.


  • #4000
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So what's an acceptable amount of people to die for you.

    That's an impossible question to answer.

    The real aim is to prevent the hospital system from becoming overwhelmed. Which would result in a good deal more than one death.


  • #4001
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    That's an utterly bizarre argument.

    It is bizarre to think it can't happen to your circle when it is more or less random, higher odds for those who don't care and of course it is dynamic and the odds rise with rising cases.


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  • #4002
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    froog wrote: »
    it's clear you and others here give zero f*cks for the older people in this country.

    also seems like you still don't get it as regards our hospital capacity. we let covid run unchecked and lots of more people die of non covid illness.
    'you and others', come down off your high horse man. Acting like someone who's king of the hill. What a disgusting comment.


  • #4003
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Your coming late into the discussion, the original poster wanted level 5 until next June. Do you think this is logical.

    no i didn't. i said we probably would have level 5 until june cause there's a lot of selfish pricks in this country unwilling to follow the guidance.


  • #4004
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes but its not rationale. I would not expect to shut down the country to save a family member.

    You have a real way with words, i will give you that. Quite obvious what you are up to and i am sure you tire your opponents out.

    Like a ninja


  • #4005
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭Russman


    niallo27 wrote: »
    There is opening up and there is staying in level 5 until June as the poster that started this present discussion wanted.

    Ohh I totally agree we’re unlikely to stay in 5 for that long, unless something truly epic goes wrong. Ultimately people’s behaviour will drive it though. If Dublin ever got to the point where we’re like, say New York was back in the spring, we might have to. Hopefully it’ll never happen obviously. Personally I think we’ll have one more L5 in spring and by then hopefully we’ll have 3 or more vaccines on the go and we’ll be vaccinating 200k+ people per month and can start getting somewhat back to normal by the summer ish.


  • #4006
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    nofools wrote: »
    You have a real way with words, i will give you that. Quite obvious what you are up to and i am sure you tire your opponents out.

    Like a ninja

    Whaaaaaaa I'm quiet enjoying the bit of debate, I think everyone is being civil.


  • #4007
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    froog wrote: »
    it's clear you and others here give zero f*cks for the older people in this country.

    also seems like you still don't get it as regards our hospital capacity. we let covid run unchecked and lots of more people die of non covid illness.

    Plus it is only then that economic fears become a very hard reality.

    We have a chance of avoiding a very harsh recession still.


  • #4008
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    People are going to die with or without COVID. We'll likely have the exact same amount of deaths as any given year, let's be honest.

    Even without any restrictions in place since this began? Is that your argument?


  • #4009
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Who is letting family die? What are you actually on about?
    You know people die like it's a thing? I've had family members die this year, not from COVID, is that just to be ignored? Pretend they don't die?

    Give over and stop twisting everything I say. Only person who has said anything about ignoring deaths is you, you were the one who brought that up.

    Had this conversation before, you don't like me and I sure as hell don't like you so just ignore each other as before.


  • #4010
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Whaaaaaaa I'm quiet enjoying the bit of debate, I think everyone is being civil.

    I agree, great craic hanging out with you and your mate Wurzel Gummage in this little cyber covid party.


  • #4011
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Give over and stop twisting everything I say. Only person who has said anything about ignoring deaths is you, you were the one who brought that up.

    Had this conversation before, you don't like me and I sure as hell don't like you so just ignore each other as before.
    Ah jaysus I thought we were friends :(:(:(:(


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  • #4012
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Arghus wrote: »
    Even without any restrictions in place since this began? Is that your argument?
    Never said since we began, the context was about the next few months.


  • #4013
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Russman wrote: »
    Ohh I totally agree we’re unlikely to stay in 5 for that long, unless something truly epic goes wrong. Ultimately people’s behaviour will drive it though. If Dublin ever got to the point where we’re like, say New York was back in the spring, we might have to. Hopefully it’ll never happen obviously. Personally I think we’ll have one more L5 in spring and by then hopefully we’ll have 3 or more vaccines on the go and we’ll be vaccinating 200k+ people per month and can start getting somewhat back to normal by the summer ish.

    Level 5 cannot be default when things go wrong


  • #4014
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Never said since we began, the context was about the next few months.

    In the context of the next few months a lack of excess deaths would be a fantastic success.


  • #4015
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Arghus wrote: »
    In the context of the next few months a lack of excess deaths would be a fantastic success.
    We have excess death every winter, cos of flu. It's not unexpected. The same amount will likely occur this year, as I said.


  • #4016
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Level 5 cannot be default when things go wrong

    what's your alternative?


  • #4017
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Never said since we began, the context was about the next few months.

    It is a poor argument especially with the situation we so far have managed to avoid in the rest of Europe happening right now.

    Frustrating how people try to twist a success story into a "where are the excess deaths" story when the alternative is obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense.


  • #4018
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭Russman


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Level 5 cannot be default when things go wrong

    Of course not, but let’s be honest, a certain cohort of people will go bananas over the Christmas and new year no matter how much they’re advised not to. I think it’s fairly inevitable there’ll be a huge spike in mid/late January. Would be delighted to be proved wrong.


  • #4019
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    We have excess death every winter, cos of flu. It's not unexpected. The same amount will likely occur this year, as I said.

    Let's put it this way then, a similar amount of excess deaths to what we would typically expect would be a great success.


  • #4020
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    nofools wrote: »
    It is a poor argument especially with the situation we so far have managed to avoid in the rest of Europe happening right now.

    Frustrating how people try to twist a success story into a "where are the excess deaths" story when the alternative is obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense.
    You clearly didn't read the context. Excess deaths happen from October-February every single year. The flu isn't an issue this year, it's replaced by COVID.
    I said, and you can go back and check, there will likely be a similar number of deaths this year, with or without restrictions.


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  • #4021
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,027 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    That's an utterly bizarre argument.

    She was discussing this in regards to another poster who has been posting some pretty irrational stuff , and you come in with this ?


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