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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #3962
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Who mentioned the flu, answer the question though.

    why the hell would i want lockdowns after covid is sorted with a vaccine?? what other viruses are you worried about in particular?


  • #3963
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    So let me get this straight you all want to stay in level 5 until next June if it means saving just 1 life.


  • #3964
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭Russman


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So let me get this straight you all want to stay in level 5 until next June if it means saving just 1 life.

    Can you point out where anyone suggested that ? Thanks.


  • #3965
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    froog wrote: »
    why the hell would i want lockdowns after covid is sorted with a vaccine?? what other viruses are you worried about in particular?

    If we kept pubs closed we would safe thousands of alcohol releated deaths, further lockdowns would save hundreds of flu deaths, that's just two.


  • #3966
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So let me get this straight you all want to stay in level 5 until next June if it means saving just 1 life.

    but it's not just 1 life though. it's likely a few thousand.

    what a stupid argument.


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  • #3967
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,844 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So let me get this straight you all want to stay in level 5 until next June if it means saving just 1 life.

    Nobody has said that, but yes you know that... being disingenuous is becoming a habit now with you. ;)


  • #3968
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Great news about nasal spray preventing infection in ferrets. Hopefully they can ramp up human trials.

    In the meantime, it does seem important that we avoid places with low temperatures and low relative humidity during the winter period and particularly if you're not wearing a mask. If your nose or throat dries out, you become more susceptible to infection. Seems like best thing to do if indoors, is to try maintain moderate humidity i.e. 40 to 50 percent.

    ETA: Important to avoid high humidity also as it can make virus more viable, hence why it can spread effectively in hot but tropical climates.


  • #3969
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    lemonTrees wrote: »
    You'll never change some peoples sense of entitlement and selfishness. This pandemic has reared the ugly side of human nature not just here but in a lot of countries.

    Some right ones like abandoning nursing homes and leaving the residents to die not only from covid but also dehydration. Glad a few in here are not working in homes.


  • #3970
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    niallo27 wrote: »
    If we kept pubs closed we would safe thousands of alcohol releated deaths, further lockdowns would save hundreds of flu deaths, that's just two.

    ah stop will ya.


  • #3971
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,027 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    As I've said its a case by case basis, for the 2 you know that got a break I've a family member that didn't when they lost their job due to 2nd lockdown, know others in the same boat as well.

    So there isn't the automatic safety net there that was there previously when you got a break no questions asked

    That is bad alright , sorry to hear .
    Heard Mary Lou on about that and rent freezes prior to this lockdown , and thought it was a done deal along with renewal of PUP ?


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  • #3972
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Russman wrote: »
    Nearly two thousand people have already died, even with our level of restrictions.

    That's got nothing to do with any restrictions. It's because our so called experts let it run rampant in Nursing homes.
    Their policies and recommendations actually added to the death toll.


  • #3973
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    froog wrote: »
    but it's not just 1 life though. it's likely a few thousand.

    what a stupid argument.

    To stay in level 5 restrictions for 8 more months, it would not mean thousands of lives. You said you want level 5 for 8 more months.


  • #3974
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    froog wrote: »
    ah stop will ya.

    Ah your a spoofer, won't answer any question.


  • #3975
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Parts of the US are in a scary position, and more will join them soon. We're about to see the consequences of a laissez faire approach to Covid.

    https://twitter.com/JimChandler1075/status/1328074580502704129


  • #3976
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,027 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Great news about nasal spray preventing infection in ferrets. Hopefully they can ramp up human trials.

    In the meantime, it does seem important that we avoid places with low temperatures and low relative humidity during the winter period and particularly if you're not wearing a mask. If your nose or throat dries out, you become more susceptible to infection. Seems like best thing to do if indoors, is to try maintain moderate humidity i.e. 40 to 50 percent.

    Saw that , you posted it yesterday , very good article .
    So no overhead heaters outside then ?


  • #3977
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So let me get this straight you all want to stay in level 5 until next June if it means saving just 1 life.

    No.

    Bizarre comment.


  • #3978
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Russman wrote: »
    Can you point out where anyone suggested that ? Thanks.
    What is an acceptable level of death? 1 million people die worldwide every 6 and a half days. What are we actually aiming for?


  • #3979
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭Russman


    normanoffside wrote: »
    That's got nothing to do with any restrictions. It's because our so called experts let it run rampant in Nursing homes.
    Their policies and recommendations actually added to the death toll.

    Fair point, but it’s the world over, thousands are dying from this. It’s probably the biggest event in terms of impact in any of our lives. I’m all ears if someone can explain why we in Ireland won’t have a disaster if we open up too soon. I just think it’s better to err on the side of caution. It’s sh1t for everyone.


  • #3980
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    What is an acceptable level of death? 1 million people die worldwide every 6 and a half days. What are we actually aiming for?

    we're aiming to save a few thousand lives until we get a vaccine next year.


  • #3981
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Arghus wrote: »
    No.

    Bizarre comment.

    So what's an acceptable amount of people to die for you.


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  • #3982
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭Russman


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    What is an acceptable level of death? 1 million people die worldwide every 6 and a half days. What are we actually aiming for?

    I think we’re trying to prevent needless deaths brought about by a new virus, along with maintaining a functioning health service. Of course, there’s no text book definition of what number of deaths that means.


  • #3983
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    froog wrote: »
    we're aiming to save a few thousand lives until we get a vaccine next year.
    People are going to die with or without COVID. We'll likely have the exact same amount of deaths as any given year, let's be honest.


  • #3984
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So what's an acceptable amount of people to die for you.

    What's the acceptable number of your family to die?


  • #3985
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Russman wrote: »
    Fair point, but it’s the world over, thousands are dying from this. It’s probably the biggest event in terms of impact in any of our lives. I’m all ears if someone can explain why we in Ireland won’t have a disaster if we open up too soon. I just think it’s better to err on the side of caution. It’s sh1t for everyone.

    There is opening up and there is staying in level 5 until June as the poster that started this present discussion wanted.


  • #3986
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    spookwoman wrote: »
    What's the acceptable number of your family to die?
    Chances of anybody on here's family members dying of COVID is ridiculously slim. That's just pure and utter scaremongering.


  • #3987
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Chances of anybody on here's family members dying of COVID is ridiculously slim. That's just scaremongering.

    Say that to those that have lost family here.


  • #3988
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Say that to those that have lost family here.
    That's an utterly bizarre argument.


  • #3989
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭Russman


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    People are going to die with or without COVID. We'll likely have the exact same amount of deaths as any given year, let's be honest.

    Even if that turns out to be true, how much is due to our two lockdowns saving lives that might otherwise not have been saved, whether from covid or not. Surely we can’t make an argument that 2,000 people died from/with Covid but the same number of people died overall as last year so it’s ok, can we ?


  • #3990
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Russman wrote: »
    Fair point, but it’s the world over, thousands are dying from this.

    No, we have the second highest rate of nursing home deaths in the whole world.

    NPHET got it badly wrong,
    A) allowing visitors right up until the first lockdown
    B) then sending thousands of sick untested patients out of hospitals and into nursing homes in order to free up bed space.

    Their policies caused the spread and deaths in nursing homes yet they have never admitted any mistakes, much les apologies for them.


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  • #3991
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    spookwoman wrote: »
    What's the acceptable number of your family to die?

    Your getting personal, you can't think rationally when your thinking personally. I would want everyone locked in their houses for the next year, everyone out of work, nobody to visit anyone if it meant saving someone in my family. Now do you think that is rationale.


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