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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #8132
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    skallywag wrote: »
    The vast majority of members of the Corona family cannot be effectively vaccinated against.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

    Fifth sentence.

    The common cold is the most obvious example.

    How many years experience have we of the 'common cold' ? Yet there is still no vaccination.

    Are you honestly suggesting that a new Corona virus which was unknown until less than 12 months ago will have an effective vaccine within less than 6 months of development with a less than a 'high probability' of failure?

    I am honest enough to say with certainty that I don't know ;)

    Hmmm seems to suggest otherwise too and i suspect is a bit more informed.


  • #8133
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    skallywag wrote: »
    Is that a serious question? Or are you taking the piss?

    Serious.

    None of this is a laughing matter tbh


  • #8134
    skallywag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭skallywag


    nofools wrote: »
    Serious.

    None of this is a laughing matter tbh

    I find it hard to believe you are being authentic. Unless you are a kid, my apologies if that is the case.


  • #8135
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    skallywag wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe you are being authentic. Unless you are a kid, my apologies if that is the case.

    Why would I not be?


  • #8136
    skallywag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭skallywag


    You seem to think that Hmmm is going to come out with some class of call on the date when global immunity will be achieved, but at the same time you have no time for anyone making intelligent prediction based on probability.


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  • #8137
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    skallywag wrote: »
    You seem to think that Hmmm is going to come out with some class of call on the date when global immunity will be achieved, but at the same time you have no time for anyone making intelligent prediction based on probability.

    It surely factors (or not) into the overall timeline for the next number of years and the feasibility would have been discussed. I didn't ask for a date and time to set my clock to now did I?


  • #8138
    redarmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭redarmy


    Holohan after footage of street drinking in Dublin widely shared online.

    "There are examples of small numbers of people congregating for social purposes and simply ignoring the important public health messages. They are putting our collective progress at risk."


  • #8139
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    redarmy wrote: »
    Holohan after footage of street drinking in Dublin widely shared online.

    "There are examples of small numbers of people congregating for social purposes and simply ignoring the important public health messages. They are putting our collective progress at risk."

    He should maybe concentrate that on average 50 of the new cases every day (over the past 2 weeks) are healthcare workers. I'd Imagine they also infect on average 1 or 2 patients each so you could be looking at 150 cases a day which are his own fault.

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/almost-50-health-staff-a-day-test-positive-for-coronavirus-39747977.html


  • #8140
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    normanoffside wrote: »
    He should maybe concentrate that on aver 50 of the new cases every day (over the past 2 weeks) are healthcare workers. I'd Imagine they also infect on average 1 or 2 patients each so you could be looking at 150 cases a day which are his own fault.

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/almost-50-health-staff-a-day-test-positive-for-coronavirus-39747977.html

    You are really scraping the barrel with that.

    How do you think the workers got infected?
    Where did it come from?
    How is that any one persons fault?


  • #8141
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    nofools wrote: »
    You are really scraping the barrel with that.

    How do you think the workers got infected?
    Where did it come from?
    How is that any one persons fault?

    I'm not blaming health care workers if that's what yu're getting at.

    How can infections and clusters in hospitals be going up when the rates in the community are going down. And who is at fault for it?


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  • #8142
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    normanoffside wrote: »
    I'm not blaming health care workers if that's what yu're getting at.

    How can infections and clusters in hospitals be going up when the rates in the community are going down. And who is at fault for it?

    I don't know..why don't you show us the logical path to your conclusion?


  • #8143
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    normanoffside wrote: »
    I'm not blaming health care workers if that's what yu're getting at.

    How can infections and clusters in hospitals be going up when the rates in the community are going down. And who is at fault for it?

    sick people go to hospital?


  • #8144
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    nofools wrote: »
    You are really scraping the barrel with that.

    How do you think the workers got infected?
    Where did it come from?
    How is that any one persons fault?

    Clearly all the health care workers are catching it on South William Street and then bringing it into hospitals. Just as all the people in nursing homes were catching it on the session down the local pub.

    We are all reported to be very concerned.


  • #8145
    MelbourneMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭MelbourneMan


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Clearly all the health care workers are catching it on South William Street and then bringing it into hospitals. Just as all the people in nursing homes were catching it on the session down the local pub.

    We are all reported to be very concerned.

    Hello. Certainly, the numbers of recent days are a worrying development. But it is too soon to draw firm conclusions.


  • #8146
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. Certainly, the numbers of recent days are a worrying development. But it is too soon to draw firm conclusions.

    Gimmick posters are the worst.


  • #8147
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I would be more inclined with the mink strain situation to look it at as what can happen if you let this virus do it`s own thing without a means of at least attempting to control it`s spread.

    The virus will spread by us existing. We cannot stop it, just limit it through measures. At some point, we have to question when do these measures cause more harm than good and what is their long term aim considering the damage that they are causing. With Dr Holohan at the helm, he seems to only favour heavy restrictions. He doesn’t seem to have a plan as to how we actually live with the virus.
    Why anywhere in the EU allows mink farms to exist in the 21st Century & other similar places should be examined. Perhaps the mink could provide a missing link re how this virus is mutating. Also an article on main thread earlier today stated antibodies from SARS - Cov 2 were found in 11% of a sample of Italians as far back as Sept 2019.


  • #8148
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. Certainly, the numbers of recent days are a worrying development. But it is too soon to draw firm conclusions.

    Have you not given up yet? You realise we can check your post history and see you had a completely different persona in your first 10 or so posts!!

    It is passed funny at this stage, cop on or set up another account


  • #8149
    Summer2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    MelbourneMan wrote: »
    Hello. Certainly, the numbers of recent days are a worrying development. But it is too soon to draw firm conclusions.

    Pathetic attempt at passing yourself off as some kind of insider.


  • #8150
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    nofools wrote: »
    In a world where unknown possibilities become absolutes sure but in reality there is a lot more to it than what you are trying to deduce to suit your argument.

    In a world of meaningful conversations it is best to provide firm evidence or else solid logic behind one’s opinion. Yet it is you who failed to produce such in support of your position on this.
    I only pointed you to the fact that thousands of others that participate in the stock market see the news of Pfizer’s vaccine as having a very positive impact on company’s performance. I don’t think that the market is wrong and would react that way if Pfizer where giving their product away.
    There you go - simple logic based on knowledge of better informed (market).

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #8151
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Have you not given up yet? You realise we can check your post history and see you had a completely different persona in your first 10 or so posts!!

    It is passed funny at this stage, cop on or set up another account

    Its sad. They obviously weren't getting enough of a reaction so decided to alter there persona.

    To be fair its worked. They're best ignored. Replying only gives them oxygen and encourages them to continue posting


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  • #8152
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    The virus will spread by us existing. We cannot stop it, just limit it through measures. At some point, we have to question when do these measures cause more harm than good and what is their long term aim considering the damage that they are causing. With Dr Holohan at the helm, he seems to only favour heavy restrictions. He doesn’t seem to have a plan as to how we actually live with the virus.
    Why anywhere in the EU allows mink farms to exist in the 21st Century & other similar places should be examined. Perhaps the mink could provide a missing link re how this virus is mutating. Also an article on main thread earlier today stated antibodies from SARS - Cov 2 were found in 11% of a sample of Italians as far back as Sept 2019.

    I don't believe the measures are causing more harm than good and invite you to prove me wrong.

    Present your case

    Living with the virus is a work of fiction


  • #8153
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    walus wrote: »
    In a world of meaningful conversations it is best to provide firm evidence or else solid logic behind one’s opinion. Yet it is you who failed to produce such in support of your position on this.
    I only pointed you to the fact that thousands of others that participate in the stock market see the news of Pfizer’s vaccine as having a very positive impact on company’s performance. I don’t think that the market is wrong and would react that way if Pfizer where giving their product away.
    There you go - simple logic based on knowledge of better informed (market).

    Now you are backtracking. You were using a daily fluctuation on the stock price as very weak proof that they are just in it for profit. I am led to believe they plan to produce at an affordable price and there is some civic mindedness involved. I may be wrong but at least i can admit to that.

    How are market participants better informed and not just jumping on the headline?


  • #8154
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    nofools wrote: »
    I don't believe the measures are causing more harm than good and invite you to prove me wrong.

    Present your case
    The last time somebody took the time and effort to present their case, this was your response:
    nofools wrote: »
    Tldr

    Why on earth would anybody bother repeating the effort?


  • #8155
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    The last time somebody took the time and effort to present their case, this was your response:



    Why on earth would anybody bother repeating the effort?

    That particular case was easily debunked in the first paragraph.

    It is not my fault that you all seem cling to baseless opinions for dear life.


  • #8156
    St.Spodo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    It's starting to look like the biggest problem with our strategy of demanding that people give up their social lives in order to keep workplaces and schools open is that it's a load of bollocks and people don't want to do it.


  • #8157
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    St.Spodo wrote: »
    It's starting to look like the biggest problem with our strategy of demanding that people give up their social lives in order to keep workplaces and schools open is that it's a load of bollocks and people don't want to do it.

    I agree

    More consistency and less clear hypocrisy would go a long way to improving public opinion, otherwise it can feel a bit pointless but just saying **** it i will do what i want doesn't work either.


  • #8158
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,948 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    St.Spodo wrote: »
    It's starting to look like the biggest problem with our strategy of demanding that people give up their social lives in order to keep workplaces and schools open is that it's a load of bollocks and people don't want to do it.

    The biggest problem with the strategy is that there isn't one.

    When the government announced a 5 level plan for living with covid and then almost immediately acted outside that framework, they did irreparable damage to any buy in from the general public. All the talk of "level 3.5", "level 4+" etc etc might seem trivial but it showed very clearly that the government did not have a plan that was fully considered and that it was not a plan that they ever intended sticking to.

    Add in the cherry on top where the lawmakers who had signed off on the plan had ignored it themselves within a day and honestly, why on earth should anybody believe a single word the government says?

    If tomorrow they announced a plan for christmas my repsonse would be that I will believe it when I see it, I would have no faith in them to actually follow through and stick to it so I'll just make my own plans thank you very much.


  • #8159
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    The biggest problem with the strategy is that there isn't one.

    When the government announced a 5 level plan for living with covid and then almost immediately acted outside that framework, they did irreparable damage to any buy in from the general public. All the talk of "level 3.5", "level 4+" etc etc might seem trivial but it showed very clearly that the government did not have a plan that was fully considered and that it was not a plan that they ever intended sticking to.

    Add in the cherry on top where the lawmakers who had signed off on the plan had ignored it themselves within a day and honestly, why on earth should anybody believe a word the word the government says?

    If tomorrow they announced a plan for christmas my repsonse would be that I will believe it when I see it, I would have no faith on them to actually follow through and stick to it so I'll just make my own plans thank you very much.

    What is your plan?

    Public sentiment is really turning against people who don't give a ****, they are joining the dots that these people are hurting us all.


  • #8160
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    nofools wrote: »
    Now you are backtracking. You were using a daily fluctuation on the stock price as very weak proof that they are just in it for profit. I am led to believe they plan to produce at an affordable price and there is some civic mindedness involved. I may be wrong but at least i can admit to that.

    How are market participants better informed and not just jumping on the headline?

    It seems to me that it is you who is backtracking. Only few post back you were claiming they were to provide the vaccine at no profit. Now you say at ‘affordable price’ (whatever that means in money printing times). You only say what you wish to be true. Again you are yet to present any solid evidence that it really could be true.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



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  • #8161
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    walus wrote: »
    It seems to me that it is you who is backtracking. Only few post back you were claiming they were to provide the vaccine at no profit. Now you say at ‘affordable price’ (whatever that means in money printing times). You only say what you wish to be true. Again you are yet to present any solid evidence that it really could be true.

    This is a nice dance we are having but i will leave to you to think Bill Gates is plotting against us all or whatever notions you were having.

    I could argue with you all day and night if you want, the facts, truth and reason are on my side. You are making things up and doing logical cartwheels. Tiresome.


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