Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

funnydoggy · 14-11-2020 09:02PM

RobitTV wrote: »

The bombshell sentence from the Irish Times article: "If a safe and highly effective is not widely available by then (late 2021)" - "These cycles will continue for several more years"

People would just give up and resume normal life I'd imagine / hope.

In 2021 when the vulnerable are protected, nobody is dropping like flies and COVID hospital admissions are very brief, I hope they see that life can go on without fear.

UrbanFret · 14-11-2020 09:05PM

sabat wrote: »

This type of drug has never been used on humans before. That is a fact.

Every new drug was never used on humans before until it was.

Mr. Karate · 14-11-2020 09:07PM

RobitTV wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bl_byrne/status/1326463303544082432

Will we even have an economy by this time next year if these clowns get their way? They're determined to make Ireland a 3rd World Country.

funnydoggy · 14-11-2020 09:12PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Will we even have an economy by this time next year if these clowns get their way? They're determined to make Ireland a 3rd World Country.

The lads in government and NPHET will be allllllright, so they won't give a solitary shít about Mary, the single parent of 2 that can't afford school clothes.

Mr. Karate · 14-11-2020 09:13PM

RobitTV wrote: »

The bombshell sentence from the Irish Times article: "If a safe and highly effective is not widely available by then (late 2021)" - "These cycles will continue for several more years"

This is the stark reality we are now facing, the vaccine isn't going to widely available for a significant period of time.

Not surprising. They already hinted that this could go on for 5 years.

Lundstram · 14-11-2020 09:16PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Not surprising. They already hinted that this could go on for 5 years.

Not a hope in hell of this going on for another 5 months never mind 5 years.

Life will start to get back to normal around March. All the anti-vaxer Facebook type eejits will eventually succumbe and take it once they realise they can't travel abroad without a vaccine card confirming they got it.

I for one am utterly sick off this now, I'd rather be dead than put up with 5 more years of this.

Mr. Karate · 14-11-2020 09:27PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

The lads in government and NPHET will be allllllright, so they won't give a solitary shít about Mary, the single parent of 2 that can't afford school clothes.

Definitely. They're not sacrificing anything. One of my local Councillors [the son of current career politician TD] got hysterical and went all teenage girl "You don't know me" when I said that they're not losing out on paychecks and they don't have to worry about where the next meal for their family is coming from.

PMBC · 14-11-2020 09:31PM

sabat wrote: »

This type of drug has never been used on humans before. That is a fact.

Its a fact also that penicillin was never used before its first use:)

Mr. Karate · 14-11-2020 09:42PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Not a hope in hell of this going on for another 5 months never mind 5 years.

Life will start to get back to normal around March. All the anti-vaxer Facebook type eejits will eventually succumbe and take it once they realise they can't travel abroad without a vaccine card confirming they got it.

I for one am utterly sick off this now, I'd rather be dead than put up with 5 more years of this.

Let all the worthless career politicians and even more worthless celebrities [that they'll no doubt trot out like zoo animals to promote it] line up and take it first. They keep telling us that they're needed and we can't live without them so let them test this new vaccine.

JRant · 14-11-2020 09:44PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

People would just give up and resume normal life I'd imagine / hope.

In 2021 when the vulnerable are protected, nobody is dropping like flies and COVID hospital admissions are very brief, I hope they see that life can go on without fear.

This government won't last long in 2021. It's already taking on water and will only get worse as the recession really kicks in for Q1 next year.

Once all these PUP payments dry up and businesses close permanently we'll see a different reaction.

14-11-2020 09:50PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

NPHET's role is advisory, to support the government making informed decisions. In no case does it dictate policy to the government, and executive decision making rests with the government.

Shooting the messenger will not solve the problem of the virus. The process works. Because the country is now waking up to the reality that it is facing a very unpleasant vista of the next 6-8 months at least, is not a reason to jettison its best informed people on the matter.

The attitude of many here is reminiscent of a Brexit comment about having had enough of 'experts' because their analysis didnt reach the conclusions the Brexit faithful wish to hear. It really is illogical to dismiss the doctors' diagnosis, prognosis, and prescription, from a basis of ignorance, and just because one doesnt like the message.

Well the experts de jour have the room..they have the media and they have print and press. Every other contra expert or qualified doctor feeny for example have been forced to resign much like the cancel culture of your opposing view is the wrong view.....etc...history is full of this stuff. I heard pat lenny the other day asking a behaviourst how they think anti lockdown folks will react if they dont get the level 2 theyd love for xmas. Absolute scummy devisive elitst durt of a comment..god forbit we hope for a free return to a normal life and pusuit of happiness as they call it in the USA.

Mr. Karate · 14-11-2020 09:54PM

JRant wrote: »

This government won't last long in 2021. It's already taking on water and will only get worse as the recession really kicks in for Q1 next year.

Once all these PUP payments dry up and businesses close permanently we'll see a different reaction.

The Govt won't change course until their paychecks are at stake. We can't work=We don't get paid=We can't pay taxes=These traitorous idiots don't get paid. Brussels will only be able to bail us out for so long.

acequion · 14-11-2020 09:57PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Not a hope in hell of this going on for another 5 months never mind 5 years.

Life will start to get back to normal around March. All the anti-vaxer Facebook type eejits will eventually succumbe and take it once they realise they can't travel abroad without a vaccine card confirming they got it.

I for one am utterly sick off this now, I'd rather be dead than put up with 5 more years of this.

Completely agree and completely agree with JRant.

This kind of sensationalism about years of this is exactly that, sensationalism. For some weird reason there's a market for the horror scenario.

Irish people may put up with a lot but I can't see them putting up with too much more of this. Too much is at stake and starting to crumble, livelihoods, mental health, just look at the article posted on this thread yesterday about the effect it's all having on kids and teenagers.

This really has to end soon. Hopefully the roll out of vaccines will be the beginning of the end. And I'll be queuing up for mine. Because I too would rather be dead than a future of this misery. And I'm neither exaggerating nor a person with fragile mental health. A bit sensationalistic I admit but I wish it was that kind of sensationalism making headlines, the reality of how badly this is affecting people.

charlie14 · 14-11-2020 10:02PM

sabat wrote: »

This type of drug has never been used on humans before. That is a fact.

Can you name any new drug or vaccine that was used on a human before it was used on a human

sabat · 14-11-2020 10:02PM

PMBC wrote: »

Its a fact also that penicillin was never used before its first use:)

For anyone else coming out with this inane type of response:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs

mikekerry · 14-11-2020 10:08PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Not a hope in hell of this going on for another 5 months never mind 5 years.

Life will start to get back to normal around March. All the anti-vaxer Facebook type eejits will eventually succumbe and take it once they realise they can't travel abroad without a vaccine card confirming they got it.

I for one am utterly sick off this now, I'd rather be dead than put up with 5 more years of this.

You may probably have as much chance of dying from a vaccine not tested long term as from covid.
Who knows what the long term effects of it could be.
And no I'm not an anti vaccer. Just very wary of a newly released rushed out with trillions of dollars at stake.

mikekerry · 14-11-2020 10:09PM

acequion wrote: »

Completely agree and completely agree with JRant.

This kind of sensationalism about years of this is exactly that, sensationalism. For some weird reason there's a market for the horror scenario.

Irish people may put up with a lot but I can't see them putting up with too much more of this. Too much is at stake and starting to crumble, livelihoods, mental health, just look at the article posted on this thread yesterday about the effect it's all having on kids and teenagers.

This really has to end soon. Hopefully the roll out of vaccines will be the beginning of the end. And I'll be queuing up for mine. Because I too would rather be dead than a future of this misery. And I'm neither exaggerating nor a person with fragile mental health. A bit sensationalistic I admit but I wish it was that kind of sensationalism making headlines, the reality of how badly this is affecting people.

Why are healthy people rushing to take a new vaccine?
Do people not know the survival rates from covid?

MelbourneMan · 14-11-2020 10:16PM

mikekerry wrote: »

Why are healthy people rushing to take a new vaccine?
Do people not know the survival rates from covid?

Because the well informed do know. They also know the reduction in that rate that a vaccine would bring to that number. And so know taking a vaccine is without question, the rational and correct thing to do.

Penfailed · 14-11-2020 10:17PM

manniot2 wrote: »

You still won’t be able to have a non socially distant night out this time next year. (In this country)

Have you got a crystal ball?

mikekerry · 14-11-2020 10:19PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Because the well informed do know. They also know the reduction in that rate that a vaccine would bring to that number. And so know taking a vaccine is without question, the rational and correct thing to do.

The well informed. Ha ha.
You've just given me the best laugh of my day

charlie14 · 14-11-2020 10:19PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Let all the worthless career politicians and even more worthless celebrities [that they'll no doubt trot out like zoo animals to promote it] line up and take it first. They keep telling us that they're needed and we can't live without them so let them test this new vaccine.

That is pretty typical of the lack of knowledge/anti-vaccine comments on this thread. The Pfizer vaccine alone has been tested using 43,500 volunteers in 6 countries. Similar numbers for all the other vaccines in Phase 3.

MelbourneMan · 14-11-2020 10:22PM

mikekerry wrote: »

The well informed. Ha ha.
You've just given me the best laugh of my day

Hello. Yes, it is laughable that there are people that could doubt the need for all to take the vaccine. The last 10 months should be lesson enough on their merits. Despite some noise, most, or more than enough will, eventually. There will always be those of little sense, but I think it is the responsibility of all right minded people to play their role in encouraging take up.

darconio · 14-11-2020 10:26PM

Exactly why rushing to take a vaccine without knowing its collateral effect? so that we can be labelled like animals and get clearance with our health passport? will we have to produce it every time we enter a shop or a cinema? because by the sound of it whoever refuse the vaccine will be labelled as a heretic.
Besides were they not saying that even if a vaccine is found it will be a long time before everything goes back to normal? So why really?

mikekerry · 14-11-2020 10:28PM

charlie14 wrote: »

That is pretty typical of the lack of knowledge/anti-vaccine comments on this thread. The Pfizer vaccine alone has been tested using 43,500 volunteers in 6 countries. Similar numbers for all the other vaccines in Phase 3.

Have a look at this
https://instagram.com/tv/CHiXqTkH0yx/?igshid=coii2v178axh…;

darconio · 14-11-2020 10:28PM

charlie14 wrote: »

That is pretty typical of the lack of knowledge/anti-vaccine comments on this thread. The Pfizer vaccine alone has been tested using 43,500 volunteers in 6 countries. Similar numbers for all the other vaccines in Phase 3.

How long has this been tested? 6/8 months? what happens in the long term?

charlie14 · 14-11-2020 10:34PM

darconio wrote: »

Exactly why rushing to take a vaccine without knowing its collateral effect? so that we can be labelled like animals and get clearance with our health passport? will we have to produce it every time we enter a shop or a cinema? because by the sound of it whoever refuse the vaccine will be labelled as a heretic.
Besides were they not saying that even if a vaccine is found it will be a long time before everything goes back to normal? So why really?

It`s not "if a vaccine is found" a vaccine has been found and there is no reason to assume at least a few more now coming to the end of Phase 3 development will not also be effective.
How long to you think it will be "before everything goes back to normal" without vaccines ?

acequion · 14-11-2020 10:35PM

mikekerry wrote: »

You may probably have as much chance of dying from a vaccine not tested long term as from covid.
Who knows what the long term effects of it could be.
And no I'm not an anti vaccer. Just very wary of a newly released rushed out with trillions of dollars at stake.

You're missing my point!

I'm not afraid of Covid. I risk catching it every day in my job. But I take the precautions and get on with it. And would be ok with doing that for a little while more. What I'm utterly alarmed by is the uselessness of our Govt and how they've allowed an elected body like NPHET, with a fanatic like Holohan at the helm, pretty much unfettered power.

So I'm banking on a vaccine because only then will they begin to stop this destructive idiocy of rolling lockdowns.

I see your point about being wary of an unknown which will be the vaccines. But if people don't take it what happens then? I'm prepared to take my chances.

MelbourneMan · 14-11-2020 10:38PM

darconio wrote: »

How long has this been tested? 6/8 months? what happens in the long term?

Hello. The lack of medical knowledge or qualified judgement cannot be allowed to put the health of the population at risk. While there will be a lunatic/anti-establishment/conspiracy fringe, they are negligible.

It is to avoid their misinformation derailing in any numbers, the wider public, from taking the vaccine, that we must now devote ourselves through public information campaigns, education programmes, and leadership from the media, and medical and political establishment.

Avoiding media engaging in a 'balanced' discussion, sensationalist, or two sided examination of something to which there is only one side must be ensured.

JRant · 14-11-2020 10:39PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Because the well informed do know. They also know the reduction in that rate that a vaccine would bring to that number. And so know taking a vaccine is without question, the rational and correct thing to do.

You see, having a laser like focus on a vaccines ability to reduce the "number" without looking outside of that is not going to bring anyone around.

There are plenty of conversations to be had around these vaccines. I read a good article from New Zealand on it here.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/be-prepared-for-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects

Sure, everyone wants to get back to normal and a safe vaccine will definitely help with that.

charlie14 · 14-11-2020 10:43PM

darconio wrote: »

How long has this been tested? 6/8 months? what happens in the long term?

What is going to hapen with this virus in the long term without vaccines.
Do you think it will just disappear ?

Do people actually know so little about vaccines, or indeed any medical product, that the do not know they have to go through verification by independent bodies, (E.U. it`s the E.M.A. U.S.A. it`s the F.D.A. and so on) on their safety and efficiency claims before they will receive a licence. These vaccines are no different

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings