WWE Releases 2020

beakerjoe · 13-11-2020 11:37pm

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Maybe. Her Twitch stuff is big apparently. Still 2nd point stands

Its hard to know exactly what happened here yet, but Twitch is a big earner for Wrestlers and she probably makes more without breaking a sweat using Twitch than not using it under contract.

How her views on unionization play into her release will be interesting. What it means for Al Black, whos career has stalled since Mania, will also be interesting. Black, like others, has huge potential to be a main eventer but is so under used its criminal. Vega is no real loss though.

Furious-Red · 13-11-2020 11:37pm

𝓩𝖊𝖑𝖎𝖓𝖆 𝓥𝖊𝖌𝖆

I support unionization.

Lord TSC · 13-11-2020 11:42pm

Paige also tweeting “this sucks” so I’m expecting her release to follow soon.

beakerjoe · 13-11-2020 11:42pm

Id love for folks to down tools and support her. The big stars won't and without them its pointless.

ThePott · 13-11-2020 11:47pm

Hogan about to tip Vince off to who's trying to unionise for one more run at the title brother!

hynesie08 · 13-11-2020 11:53pm

beakerjoe wrote: »

Its hard to know exactly what happened here yet, but Twitch is a big earner for Wrestlers and she probably makes more without breaking a sweat using Twitch than not using it under contract.

How her views on unionization play into her release will be interesting. What it means for Al Black, whos career has stalled since Mania, will also be interesting. Black, like others, has huge potential to be a main eventer but is so under used its criminal. Vega is no real loss though.

Her and mvp carried raw on the mic during the Pc shows, she was one of the high points of a low period.....

J. Marston · 14-11-2020 12:09am

hynesie08 wrote: »

Her and mvp carried raw on the mic during the Pc shows, she was one of the high points of a low period.....

God, not for me. Zelina and Friends killed Raw for me during that period. It was awful.

I'd agree with Beaker, she isn't really a loss but she's taken a very admirable stance that might yet start a butterfly effect WWE will regret.

LineOfBeauty · 14-11-2020 1:05am

beakerjoe wrote: »

Its hard to know exactly what happened here yet, but Twitch is a big earner for Wrestlers and she probably makes more without breaking a sweat using Twitch than not using it under contract.

How her views on unionization play into her release will be interesting. What it means for Al Black, whos career has stalled since Mania, will also be interesting. Black, like others, has huge potential to be a main eventer but is so under used its criminal. Vega is no real loss though.

Aleister was a Heyman project, he's been on ice since Heyman was booted off Raw. Whether Vega is or isn't a loss on screen doesn't matter. It's the circumstances of the release.

Itssoeasy · 14-11-2020 1:35am

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Aleister was a Heyman project, he's been on ice since Heyman was booted off Raw. Whether Vega is or isn't a loss on screen doesn't matter. It's the circumstances of the release.

You mean how she was seemingly punished for offering an opinion ? The time of her tweet and the wwe tweet are clear it wasn’t a decision zelina took. Also, to respond to another person why shouldn’t she have said it ? With the twitch carry on someone had to say it. Yes, other wrestling companies use the independent contractor bull**** but at least there does seem to be some flexibility with the other companies.

LineOfBeauty · 14-11-2020 2:02am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

You mean how she was seemingly punished for offering an opinion ? The time of her tweet and the wwe tweet are clear it wasn’t a decision zelina took. Also, to respond to another person why shouldn’t she have said it ? With the twitch carry on someone had to say it. Yes, other wrestling companies use the independent contractor bull**** but at least there does seem to be some flexibility with the other companies.

Ye, I think you've missed the message here. I agree this most likely is not Zelina walking away. I'm in full support of unionisation. I think WWE's wrestler contract status is a disgrace, maybe you've not read any of my messages around this board?

Basically the sentiment is, that company is a scumbag company run by people who fit that description in any number of ways, and the icing on the cake is they produce legit the dirt worst product you'll ever see. This is another example of just how horrible they are.

Agent Coulson · 14-11-2020 2:13am

Fair play her she has probably Blacklisted herself from the company now with that tweet but she had the courage of her convictions unlike Bliss who followed the party line with her statement on Independent contractor status.

LineOfBeauty · 14-11-2020 2:15am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Fair play her she has probably Blacklisted herself from the company now with that tweet but she had the courage of her convictions unlike Bliss who followed the party line with her statement on Independent contractor status.

You see what happens when you don't toe the company line. Doing yourself out of a job during a pandemic is silly, and expecting the wrestlers to do such is crazy. None of the blame for this should fall on the wrestlers, this is down solely on WWE and their more than questionable business practises.

Itssoeasy · 14-11-2020 2:17am

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Ye, I think you've missed the message here. I agree this most likely is not Zelina walking away. I'm in full support of unionisation. I think WWE's wrestler contract status is a disgrace, maybe you've not read any of my messages around this board?

Basically the sentiment is, that company is a scumbag company run by people who fit that description in any number of ways, and the icing on the cake is they produce legit the dirt worst product you'll ever see. This is another example of just how horrible they are.

Well maybe you’ve an issue with me because what I’ve highlighted in your post I’ve zero issue whatsoever with anything you’ve said. I agree 100% with it. Maybe don’t jump to conclusions about whether I agree or disagree with you.

I’m very curious how this plays with the rock who has more or less called zelina an honorary member of his family and we know WWE tries not to piss off their golden goose to legitimate main stream coverage.

LineOfBeauty · 14-11-2020 2:22am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well maybe you’ve an issue with me because what I’ve highlighted in your post I’ve zero issue whatsoever with anything you’ve said. I agree 100% with it. Maybe don’t jump to conclusions about whether I agree or disagree with you.

I’m very curious how this plays with the rock who has more or less called zelina an honorary member of his family and we know WWE tries not to piss off their golden goose to legitimate main stream coverage.

Maybe this is purely miscommunication because I've legit no takes against you or vendetta against you.

I'd say this is an example all wrestlers should keep in mind when they sign for WWE and it's "family" but the choices are so limited for wrestlers, and ultimately there's literally countless red flag examples like this that should put wrestlers off signing for them. That they can't earn money on the side in their own time is just another.

Itssoeasy · 14-11-2020 2:31am

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Maybe this is purely miscommunication because I've legit no takes against you or vendetta against you.

I'd say this is an example all wrestlers should keep in mind when they sign for WWE and it's "family" but the choices are so limited for wrestlers, and ultimately there's literally countless red flag examples like this that should put wrestlers off signing for them. That they can't earn money on the side in their own time is just another.

I think it is miscommunication because while we may have differences of options on certain wrestlers(the young bucks for example) I will always engage with people who show they have genuine reasons for their opinions on wrestling or anything else for that matter. I may not agree with their opinions but I’ll always respect them if it’s clear it’s not a hot take and it’s genuinely held, and I’d hope it’s the same for my opinions.

LineOfBeauty · 14-11-2020 2:34am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I think it is miscommunication because while we may have differences of options on certain wrestlers(the young bucks for example) I will always engage with people who show they have genuine reasons for their opinions on wrestling or anything else for that matter. I may not agree with their opinions but I’ll always respect them if it’s clear it’s not a hot take and it’s genuinely held, and I’d hope it’s the same for my opinions.

Fair and I'm putting it down solely to a miscommunication. I think we're both saying the same thing on the Vega release.

Hqrry113 · 14-11-2020 2:34am

Remember the days wrestling used to be cool, now only in the darkest corners of Boards.ie will people admit their love for wrestling

Itssoeasy · 14-11-2020 2:38am

Btw zelina is on her twitch channel and the level of support is amazing and she seems genuinely touched by it.

Agent Coulson · 14-11-2020 2:45am

If she does happen to go to AEW how many Spanish announce tables will Black get put through week in week out.

Itssoeasy · 14-11-2020 2:52am

https://www.twitch.tv/atozonyoutube

She’s clearly heartbroken(as she said a few moments ago) about what happened today. But she’s not ****ting all over WWE. Tommy dreamer and the rock are clearly good human beings. She praised triple h and Stephanie. She also showed her late fathers wrestling trophy and it’s clear she loves wrestling.

beakerjoe · 14-11-2020 9:11am

Hqrry113 wrote: »

Remember the days wrestling used to be cool, now only in the darkest corners of Boards.ie will people admit their love for wrestling

Im sure we are all here because we love pro wrestling, we just strive for better on 2020.

The White Wolf · 14-11-2020 10:28am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Fair play her she has probably Blacklisted herself from the company now with that tweet but she had the courage of her convictions unlike Bliss who followed the party line with her statement on Independent contractor status.

The likes of Bliss probably got private assurances so she was happy to take the party line.

It really does rub me up wrong.

CastorTroy · 14-11-2020 11:19am

So is so much talk about her release across 3 threads because she was released or the reason? It wasn't due to her unionisation tweet but clearly she sent it when she heard she was going.
Although some people were getting fed up with her during the summer, it's obvious she helped fill so much time when they were on a limited roster.
Black leaving as well may seem the next step, but I'd say Zelina is smart enough to tell him to stay until they get something else lined up.

TimesArrow · 14-11-2020 11:28am

I’m very much not a fan of the way wwe treats their talent and how they go about business in general.. while we don’t know the full details of the ZV situation, I can see both possible sides here.. that being said, it’s entirely possible they’ll humiliate and degrade Black out of spite which would be very much in character for them.. time will tell what happens with other talent re third party apps

Agent Coulson · 14-11-2020 2:28pm

SAG is quite a powerful union for film and tv and the entertainment business and since the WWE is a TV based entertainment business they might be the union to get involved.

This is the president the Screen Actors Guild.

https://twitter.com/TheGabrielle_C/status/1327448234554388482?s=20

Lithium93_ · 14-11-2020 2:59pm

Are WWE are scared of their wrestlers having options now. That's why they want everything under one big umbrella.

ShagNastii · 14-11-2020 3:03pm

Not sure if the chicken/egg about the tweet and the firing has been cleared?

No way she got released on the back of the tweet. Vince or WWE can't be that tone deaf.

Loughc · 14-11-2020 3:31pm

ShagNastii wrote: »

Vince or WWE can't be that tone deaf.

https://imgur.com/a/7n9vZz0

I wouldn’t be too sure.

The White Wolf · 14-11-2020 3:35pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Are WWE are scared of their wrestlers having options now. That's why they want everything under one big umbrella.

The Twitch thing is more about control over content I think. On a live stream there's plenty of scope for someone saying the wrong thing and all of a sudden, there are headlines about a WWE superstar.

CastorTroy · 14-11-2020 3:52pm

ShagNastii wrote: »

Not sure if the chicken/egg about the tweet and the firing has been cleared?

No way she got released on the back of the tweet. Vince or WWE can't be that tone deaf.

Think the time between her tweet and the announcement of her firing would be too small. Either that or they're very efficient and have the paperwork ready to go for every wrestler, just in case

Agent Coulson · 14-11-2020 3:54pm

I'd say she was told by the WWE that they would announce her release at X time and she beat them to it with her own Tweet.

The White Wolf · 14-11-2020 4:14pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'd say she was told by the WWE that they would announce her release at X time and she beat them to it with her own Tweet.

It was a lovely well timed piece of sh1thousery hats off to her.

CastorTroy · 14-11-2020 4:22pm

Has Black even been on TV since the draft? He's Smackdown now, isn't he?

Agent Coulson · 14-11-2020 4:29pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

Has Black even been on TV since the draft? He's Smackdown now, isn't he?

Reports today that he had asked to be sent back to NXT and they refused not sure of the timeline behind that.

JP Liz V1 · 16-11-2020 6:58pm

WWE says they fired Zelina Vega because she breached her contract

The White Wolf · 16-11-2020 7:09pm

Breach of contract is certainly a minefield of a phrase in professional wrestling. Sports Illustrated are a bit hack like these days I believe as well.

J. Marston · 16-11-2020 7:12pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

WWE says they fired Zelina Vega because she breached her contract

It seems Twitch wasn't the issue but Onlyfans was apparently a breach of contract...

https://www.si.com/wrestling/2020/11/16/wwe-zelina-vega-release-twitch-onlyfans

Their stance on Twitch is absurd but Onlyfans is a porn site in all but name so I can understand from WWE's PG image standpoint how they feel they might have to act.

beakerjoe · 16-11-2020 7:22pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

WWE says they fired Zelina Vega because she breached her contract

Looks like she went against their new policy and they made an example out of her.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Reports today that he had asked to be sent back to NXT and they refused not sure of the timeline behind that.

NXT doesnt need him. WWE is beyond full in terms of talent due to their hording. AEW too.

He hasnt been used well at all since his feud with Murphy. Typical WWE mid card booking. Made look like a dweeb in the Rollins Mysterio feud.

johnnyryan89 · 16-11-2020 7:23pm

J. Marston wrote: »

It seems Twitch wasn't the issue but Onlyfans was apparently a breach of contract...

https://www.si.com/wrestling/2020/11/16/wwe-zelina-vega-release-twitch-onlyfans

Their stance on Twitch is absurd but Onlyfans is a porn site in all but name so I can understand from WWE's PG image standpoint how they feel they might have to act.

Twitch isn't an issue if you're willing to share your account with them and receive a fraction of the profits. So I'm sure Twitch played a big role in this too, and they'll put only fans in the headlines to try divert some attention away from Twitch.

beakerjoe · 16-11-2020 7:24pm

J. Marston wrote: »

It seems Twitch wasn't the issue but Onlyfans was apparently a breach of contract...

https://www.si.com/wrestling/2020/11/16/wwe-zelina-vega-release-twitch-onlyfans

Their stance on Twitch is absurd but Onlyfans is a porn site in all but name so I can understand from WWE's PG image standpoint how they feel they might have to act.

Well she used Onlyfans to go around the Twitch ban.

Either way she refused to give up streaming, they showed her the door.

The White Wolf · 16-11-2020 7:54pm

Just throwing it out there that I mentioned OnlyFans awhile ago in making Vince potentially lose his sh1t. :0

Agent Coulson · 20-11-2020 7:41pm

Dave reporting that WWE's director of talent relations told Vega she was fired and when she asked to speak to Vince about he told her no Vince doesn't want to speak to you and he then escorted her off the premises.

They really are pieces of sh1t.

Loughc · 20-11-2020 7:50pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Dave reporting that WWE's director of talent relations told Vega she was fired and when she asked to speak to Vince about he told her no Vince doesn't want to speak to you and he then escorted her off the premises.

They really are pieces of sh1t.

So much for Vince having an open door policy that all talent can go talk to him.

How they can still get away with having independent contractors who are not independent is still beyond me. Give them employee rights and proper medical cover ffs.

Lithium93_ · 20-11-2020 7:59pm

Oh Vince does have an open door policy alright, but it's for select talent only, of which Zelina wasn't an exclusive member of said club.

The White Wolf · 20-11-2020 10:55pm

I know Vince has the control over creative but can he actually make such complex legal calls on his own? There's a board of directors there surely they have a big say in what happens.

Itssoeasy · 20-11-2020 11:57pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

I know Vince has the control over creative but can he actually make such complex legal calls on his own? There's a board of directors there surely they have a big say in what happens.

Well you’d think he’d remove himself from those calls. I’d think any corporate decisions that reach his desk would be of an importance(not that firing talent isn’t important) of a certain level. I mean JR has said on his podcast that during his time as head of talent relations he was given a wide remit to deal with this issues.

B.A._Baracus · 21-11-2020 3:05pm

Come on now lads. I think we all know Vince is a dickhead

Itssoeasy · 21-11-2020 10:21pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Come on now lads. I think we all know Vince is a dickhead

Vince is a dickhead but as bad as Vince is he’s not even top five in the history of dickhead promoters or individuals in wrestling which isn’t meant as a compliment given how bad some people have been. I will say it again and I’ve said it before that yes the world class and the von Erichs were huge in their time, but Fritz von Erich is IMO the biggest scumbag ever in wrestling for one very awful moment where he made his very ill son do a press conference. I’ve seen it a few times and it’s still awful. So **** Fritz.

Agent Coulson · 26-11-2020 9:20am

Fit Finlay has been rehired.

JP Liz V1 · 22-03-2021 3:11am

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1373833238121226240

WWE Releases 2020

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