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Tesla Model S

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    garo wrote: »
    There's an 8 year battery and drivetrain warranty from Tesla so not sure what the problem is here.

    'tis no problem if its in warranty. What about if its not... a few short years from now would you buy a 9yr old Model S?


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,084 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    KCross wrote: »
    'tis no problem if its in warranty. What about if its not... a few short years from now would you buy a 9yr old Model S?

    You're not wrong, if it's 9 years old and still on the original battery (quite unlikely) then you have take into consideration that it could fail and you need it reburbished......

    .......just like any other 9 year old car could develop a problem :p

    I've no doubt though that the prices of cars that are out of battery warranty will be substantially lower than the cheapest priced cars today.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭Kramer


    unkel wrote: »
    if it's 9 years old and still on the original battery (quite unlikely)

    Isn't that mad & an indictment of Tesla/their batteries?

    Yet people are queueing up to import 7 year old Model S from the UK, for 10s of thousands of €uros, when it's a near certainty they'll need to replace the battery, out of warranty, for €10k+ :eek:.

    An 8 year old Model S with original battery is a liability & does a terrible disservice to EV adoption.


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,084 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Kramer wrote: »
    Yet people are queueing up to import 7 year old Model S from the UK, for 10s of thousands of €uros, when it's a near certainty they'll need to replace the battery, out of warranty, for €10k+ :eek:

    Are you not paying attention? Or are you trolling? Nobody is going to pay Tesla to replace their battery out of warranty. Indy shops will refurbish packs or replace modules. Or you could do it DIY

    Same as nobody will bring their €3k 2008 BMW520d to BMW for a €5k timing chain caused engine failure. They'll go to an indy who can do it for a grand (or whatever)


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,084 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    KCross wrote: »
    The problem is that it shouldnt be happening and we shouldnt make excuses for it.

    Of course it shouldn't happen. But early Model S were poorly built. Many / most of them have gone through motors too, that shouldn't happen at all, they should last a million km no problem with zero maintenance

    And there's the early batteries

    And the MCU

    And the door handles

    If you want a reliable car that will never give trouble, don't buy a Tesla, get a Toyota Avensis :p


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    unkel wrote: »
    You're not wrong, if it's 9 years old and still on the original battery (quite unlikely) then you have take into consideration that it could fail and you need it reburbished......

    .......just like any other 9 year old car could develop a problem :p

    That’s true but it’s not really the same thing.

    Fixing a Tesla battery out of warranty and fixing an ICE are very different from a money and logistics perspective.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭Kramer


    unkel wrote: »
    Are you not paying attention? Or are you trolling? Nobody is going to pay Tesla to replace their battery out of warranty. Indy shops will refurbish packs or replace modules. Or you could do it DIY

    DIY? Are you serious?

    What DIYer can remove a 500Kg+ battery pack from under a Tesla, open it up, troubleshoot it, source a replacement cell or pack (likely impossible anyway the way they are constructed), replace & refit.

    Without getting electrocuted to death by the 400v high voltage circuits?

    DIY repair of Tesla battery packs = BS.

    OK, so an "independent" specialist? Where will they source replacement cells/packs? Tesla don't supply independents. Tesla won't even supply owners spare parts. Hell, Tesla don't even supply existing owners willing to pay for preventative maintenance for God's sake! Crashed ones I suppose, or other ones that failed already?

    We jump all the hurdles, get it repaired.

    Tesla will then disable, permanently, ALL DC charging of your car, rendering it all but useless for most owners. You've seen Rich Rebuilds videos on what Tesla do if tampering with their cars, without their permission, which they will never give.

    You know all this - I think you may be trolling, not me :P.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    unkel wrote: »
    Of course it shouldn't happen. But early Model S were poorly built. Many / most of them have gone through motors too, that shouldn't happen at all, they should last a million km no problem with zero maintenance

    And there's the early batteries

    And the MCU

    And the door handles

    If you want a reliable car that will never give trouble, don't buy a Tesla, get a Toyota Avensis :p

    You forgot the panel gaps

    The bad customer service(for some)

    Nerfing of charging speed


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,084 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    You forgot the panel gaps

    None on my car that I noticed. Not that I care much about panel gaps
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    The bad customer service(for some)

    Customer service has been most excellent. Where can you bring your 6.5 year old €25k car for a €20k repair free of charge under warranty and you get a loaner car worth €100k for several weeks without even asking for it?
    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Nerfing of charging speed

    Damn. That's true. My 2014 car can now only charge at 120kW. Wait. Is that nearly 3 times as fast as a 2020 Leaf?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Not trying to be smart or dismissive of the car, but those are real problems I have read about in this forum and seen on youtube.

    I would buy one, but not at the prices I seen in the bargain thread.

    I would have to allow of all of those problems that you did and did not mention.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭Kramer


    unkel wrote: »
    Customer service has been most excellent. Where can you bring your 6.5 year old €25k car for a €20k repair free of charge under warranty and you get a loaner car worth €100k for several weeks without even asking for it?

    Yep, you're definitely winding people up now :pac:

    €20k you reckon for your battery? :eek:.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Kramer wrote: »
    Yep, you're definitely winding people up now :pac:

    €20k you reckon for your battery? :eek:.

    If it's a Refurb it's far from 20K.


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,084 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Sorry I have no idea how much Tesla normally charge for a battery replacement for a Model S. Oh wait, they don't charge anything because all batteries are still under warranty. Surely someone here has mentioned that before?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    You forgot the panel gaps

    The bad customer service(for some)

    Nerfing of charging speed

    1. Seem to be Model 3 specific.
    2. I havent experienced this either. I got loaners for routine service work without asking FOC.
    3. Can you explain this please? The fastest I’ve ever charged is 22kw on the easy go units.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    unkel wrote: »
    Sorry I have no idea how much Tesla normally charge for a battery replacement for a Model S. Oh wait, they don't charge anything because all batteries are still under warranty. Surely someone here has mentioned that before?

    You are very upbeat, I wonder why :)

    Would you be as flippant if the car was out of warranty?

    It really is a big deal even if it’s not for you specifically.

    Let’s hope Tesla have addressed these issues in later models... only time will tell.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    KCross wrote: »
    You are very upbeat, I wonder why :)

    Would you be as flippant if the car was out of warranty?

    It really is a big deal even if it’s not for you specifically.

    Let’s hope Tesla have addressed these issues in later models... only time will tell.

    I’d love to see how it’s handled for cars just out of warranty. I wonder if they will offer any good will like bmw or similar.

    We have to hope, otherwise they are like an 8 year old PC. Nobody will want them!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭Nedved85


    KCross wrote: »
    You are very upbeat, I wonder why :)

    Would you be as flippant if the car was out of warranty?

    It really is a big deal even if it’s not for you specifically.

    Let’s hope Tesla have addressed these issues in later models... only time will tell.

    If this happened out of warranty,it would be a very hard pill to swallow


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Gumbo wrote: »
    I’d love to see how it’s handled for cars just out of warranty. I wonder if they will offer any good will like bmw or similar.

    We have to hope, otherwise they are like an 8 year old PC. Nobody will want them!!!

    Their recent u-turn on the MCU repair gives hope on that and to be fair to Tesla they do want to progress EV adoption (unlike some OEMs) so hopefully they will do something to make it more affordable for those people buying in at 10yr+ old.

    Scrapping the cars early due to high battery refurb costs is a really bad environmental message. I’d say they will provide goodwill. The optics are still bad though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Gumbo wrote: »
    1. Seem to be Model 3 specific.
    2. I havent experienced this either. I got loaners for routine service work without asking FOC.
    3. Can you explain this please? The fastest I’ve ever charged is 22kw on the easy go units.

    1 Could be, all I know is Tesla
    and gap

    2 Elm

    3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMi3HzQhU7s.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    1 Could be, all I know is Tesla
    and gap

    2 Elm

    3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMi3HzQhU7s.

    Seen that before. Never really effected most of us as not many SuC here anyway. It seems to level out after 30% SOC so the actual length of time longer is maybe 5-10 mins.

    I can’t fault the thought process as it was most likely put in to help the battery packs. Same as chargegate on the Leaf. Realistically won’t effect most users.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,084 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    KCross wrote: »
    Their recent u-turn on the MCU repair gives hope on that and to be fair to Tesla they do want to progress EV adoption (unlike some OEMs) so hopefully they will do something to make it more affordable for those people buying in at 10yr+ old.

    Scrapping the cars early due to high battery refurb costs is a really bad environmental message. I’d say they will provide goodwill. The optics are still bad though.

    +1

    Although scrapping the car has always and will always mean the batteries will be 100% recycled (re-used more like). The rest of the parts, apart from the body, is also likely to be 100% recharged as there is and will be a shortage of available parts (on the second hand market)

    There's also the recent change in fixing the door handles. Now also labour free of charge (and it's a bitch of a job), but you still pay for the part


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,084 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    KCross wrote: »
    You are very upbeat, I wonder why :)

    :D
    KCross wrote: »
    It really is a big deal even if it’s not for you specifically.

    Of course it's a big deal. Nobody is sugarcoating it. Having motors and batteries failing on expensive cars that are only a few years old is brutal.
    KCross wrote: »
    Let’s hope Tesla have addressed these issues in later models... only time will tell.

    We kind of know the answer already. There are some high mileage cars around and there seems to be a pattern. Early cars had motors and batteries replaced early on. Some several times. But in the last 5 years or so (give or take) these problems seem to have gone

    One good example (of many) is the Model S in Germany that went over 1,000,000km earlier this year. It is on its third motor and third battery but, from memory, the current motor is in 680k km and the current battery is in 500k km. Very few cars ever make it to half a million km, but it should become the norm with EVs


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Gumbo wrote: »

    I can’t fault the thought process as it was most likely put in to help the battery packs. Same as chargegate on the Leaf. Realistically won’t effect most users.

    Indeed, something to complain about on a leaf, its a feature on a Tesla :D:D:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 826 ✭✭✭3d4life


    unkel wrote: »
    ..... the current motor is in 680k km and the current battery is in 500k km. Very few cars ever make it to half a million km, but it should become the norm with EVs


    So, reliability is now approaching that of a year 2k Daysul Octavia


    :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    unkel wrote: »
    :D



    Of course it's a big deal. Nobody is sugarcoating it. Having motors and batteries failing on expensive cars that are only a few years old is brutal.



    We kind of know the answer already. There are some high mileage cars around and there seems to be a pattern. Early cars had motors and batteries replaced early on. Some several times. But in the last 5 years or so (give or take) these problems seem to have gone

    One good example (of many) is the Model S in Germany that went over 1,000,000km earlier this year. It is on its third motor and third battery but, from memory, the current motor is in 680k km and the current battery is in 500k km. Very few cars ever make it to half a million km, but it should become the norm with EVs

    Tonnes of cars make it to 500k tonnes and tonnes.

    They are ten a penny in Australia no doubt USA too due to distance. It's not abnormal. Cool to see but certainly not abnormal


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    kanuseeme wrote: »
    Indeed, something to complain about on a leaf, its a feature on a Tesla :D:D:D

    In fairness, if someone was to search my posts on here, I actually posted constantly that rapid gate was a non issues for most users and I still maintain that today.

    Only once in my life have I fast charged twice in one day and that was on the trip,home from Scotland to Dublin through Belfast when I first bought my L24. Think it was 4 fast chargers tat day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,084 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    listermint wrote: »
    Tonnes of cars make it to 500k tonnes and tonnes.

    I'd say it's exceptional and that less than 1% of cars in the EU make it to 500k, less than 0.1% make it to 1 million km, like that Tesla in Germany

    But I don't know this for sure. I'd like someone to prove either of us wrong or right.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Gumbo wrote: »
    I can’t fault the thought process as it was most likely put in to help the battery packs.

    Which will lessen warranty claims & costs for Tesla.
    This practice also allows them to advertise (well, they don't advertise, their fanboys do :D), let's say market, yes, market their cars as having crazy fast recharge speeds.

    I seem to remember 1,000 miles per hour being a frequent brag.

    We've all seen the youtube videos of gushing owners watching as their Tesla charge speed shoots up - Bjorn included. It's a common theme.

    Like Elon's common 1 million mile battery BS. Marketing pure & simple, yet he has been reducing warranties consistently.
    A reasonable mileage Model 3 SR+ user would be out of all warranty in just 4 years for example.

    What's this thread about again? I thought I was watching Ireland trouncing England in football a few minutes ago :D.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭jprboy


    Kramer wrote: »

    What's this thread about again? I thought I was watching Ireland trouncing England in football a few minutes ago :D.

    You'll never beat a Tesla?

    You'll never beat the Irish?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭garo


    I wonder what it is about Tesla that brings out irrational fandom and hatred both.


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