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Administrative Officer 2020 in the Civil Service

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    #362
    meepp
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭meepp


    AngryLips wrote: »
    Did you try doing it on a different browser? Do you have any extensions enabled on the browser that might be the cause?


    Multiple browsers on a computer and a laptop too,. :mad:


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    #363
    Aleece2020
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭Aleece2020


    FenFlynn wrote: »
    I'm doing that same format interview for the Third Secretary competition, it's due tomorrow actually. Did you guys use sonru as well for the recording? When did the interview take place? Just trying to see how long it takes for results to be back


    It was Sonru.

    We had a week to submit interviews but were given a little extra time as Sonru had technical difficulties one day. I believe the 21st of October was the last day to submit.


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    #364
    Aceandstuff
    Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Aceandstuff


    meepp wrote: »
    Anyone else get a fatal error message when they try to submit the detailed application form?

    Email them for help. You might be able to send the form in directly if it won't work on your computer.

    I just sent the form in a few hours ago myself as my laptops are broken and I'm "borrowing" my brother's PC while he's asleep.


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    #365
    Thrillhouse11
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Thrillhouse11


    Aleece2020 wrote: »
    That's great to hear in all honesty; I think everyone under or around 1,600 should be eventually called to the next stage based on that. Possibly a bit less given the COVID situation, but not a huge margin. Thanks for posting this; it really helps!

    It was clarified further down in the thread that they weren't actually called to the next stage unfortunately, it seems that panel didn't go beyond 600. I'd say those of us in the 1000s or above don't have much of a shot unless there's a remarkably high turnover of staff over the year.


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    #366
    FenFlynn
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭FenFlynn


    Thrillhouse11 wrote: »
    It was clarified further down in the thread that they weren't actually called to the next stage unfortunately, it seems that panel didn't go beyond 600. I'd say those of us in the 1000s or above don't have much of a shot unless there's a remarkably high turnover of staff over the year.
    You never know though, not everyone gets through all the stages and even pass they might have other jobs to take. My manager was saying there will be a lot of retirements in the next two or three years, and with current economic situation, they might want to recruit as many as possible while they still can. Just don't lose hope yet.
    On a side note, for those through to the next stage in general stream, I was reading the message today and it says next stage would be assessment centre, wonder anyone with any experience on that could share how do best prepare for those?


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    #367
    La Bamba
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭La Bamba


    Has anyone heard back regarding the next stages of the Health Policy stream?
    I placed fairly high in the OOM and received a message saying video interviews will be commencing next week but have not got an invite so am unsure whether i made the cut?


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    #368
    TheRoyce
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭TheRoyce


    La Bamba wrote: »
    Has anyone heard back regarding the next stages of the Health Policy stream?
    I placed fairly high in the OOM and received a message saying video interviews will be commencing next week but have not got an invite so am unsure whether i made the cut?

    Same here for the HR stream. Decent placement but no message or anything as of yet.


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    #369
    AngryLips
    Registered Users Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    For the specialist streams, how do you know what a decent placement would be?


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    #370
    TheRoyce
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭TheRoyce


    AngryLips wrote: »
    For the specialist streams, how do you know what a decent placement would be?

    That's a good point and I suppose I don't.


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    #371
    November Golf
    Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭November Golf


    For those interested in the AO (ICT) Stream,

    The Department of Social Protection have opened a New Campaign for Administrative Officer (AO) - Information and Communications Technology
    Essential Requirements:

    Candidates must have obtained a recognised first or second-class honours degree in a relevant computing or computational discipline, at Level 7 or higher of the National Framework of Qualifications – www.nfq.ie (or an equivalent qualification acceptable to DSP)

    Application details/procedure: To request a Candidate Information Booklet and Application Form please email recruitment@welfare.ie

    Closing date: 04/12/2020

    Location:
    Dublin, there may be future posts available in Sligo
    https://publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=124766&campaignId=20208607


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    #372
    doc22
    Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭doc22


    Mike Foxtrot wrote: »
    For those interested in the AO (ICT) Stream,

    The Department of Social Protection have opened a New Campaign for Administrative Officer (AO) - Information and Communications Technology


    https://publicjobs.ie/en/index.php?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&Itemid=263&cid=124766&campaignId=20208607

    They'd normally take of Revenue AO IT comp, so Revenue mustn't be running a comp this year


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    #373
    floorpie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭floorpie


    Does it imply anything that you need to ask for the info booklet? I've never seen that before. E.g. too many poor applications to the current EO/HEO ICT competitions? Or is it just a DSP thing


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    #374
    Aceandstuff
    Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Aceandstuff


    Oh, nice. I'll email welfare.ie about the ICT stream application later. They won't have any doubt that I'm applying for jobs then!


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    #375
    November Golf
    Registered Users Posts: 973 ✭✭✭November Golf


    floorpie wrote: »
    Does it imply anything that you need to ask for the info booklet? I've never seen that before. E.g. too many poor applications to the current EO/HEO ICT competitions? Or is it just a DSP thing

    I don't know, this is the first time I've seen it with public sector campaign but it maybe to deter people that aren't genuinely interested or qualified for the role.

    Even for PAS campaigns, there are always people that just throw in an application to see what happens.


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    #376
    FenFlynn
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭FenFlynn


    After emailing them I received info booklet and application form. No aptitude test which is a great relief, and since it's only a graduate position there is no requirement for industrial experience.


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    #377
    doc22
    Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭doc22


    FenFlynn wrote: »
    After emailing them I received info booklet and application form. No aptitude test which is a great relief, and since it's only a graduate position there is no requirement for industrial experience.

    There isn't but you're competing against those who have and staff within the department who have domain knowledge too. I'd be surprised if those who make the shortlist had none.IT EOs nearly all have some experience be that college placements etc


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    #378
    floorpie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭floorpie


    It also asks you to talk about your competences in the context of work/academics. That being said, I get the impression from the info booklet that they're in a rush to hire, so perhaps there wont be too many applicants.


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    #379
    FenFlynn
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭FenFlynn


    People with a lot of experience and degrees would be more looking into better paid private jobs I'd imagine. There were HEO positions advertised a few months back which required experience. There is going to be a panel formed, so I doubt everybody on that panel is going to be experienced programmer. In my experience, most civil service ICT positions don't really get involved with programming or actually building ICT infrastructure, a lot of contractors are hired to do that. No harm applying if you are interested in working in that industry. I'm not sure if I want to go that route even though I meet the qualification standard.


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    #380
    rostalof
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    FenFlynn wrote: »
    People with a lot of experience and degrees would be more looking into better paid private jobs I'd imagine. There were HEO positions advertised a few months back which required experience. There is going to be a panel formed, so I doubt everybody on that panel is going to be experienced programmer. In my experience, most civil service ICT positions don't really get involved with programming or actually building ICT infrastructure, a lot of contractors are hired to do that. No harm applying if you are interested in working in that industry. I'm not sure if I want to go that route even though I meet the qualification standard.

    That definitely isn't the case for EO, HEO and AO ICTs in Revenue or DSP. For APs and POs that's most definitely the case.


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    #381
    floorpie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭floorpie


    rostalof wrote: »
    That definitely isn't the case for EO, HEO and AO ICTs in Revenue or DSP. For APs and POs that's most definitely the case.

    I have no experience of the Civil Service, but I've noticed on many threads people saying that much dev/infrastucture work is outsourced and that EOs etc tend to manage this outsourcing. Is that not the case in your experience?


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    #382
    rostalof
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    floorpie wrote: »
    I have no experience of the Civil Service, but I've noticed on many threads people saying that much dev/infrastucture work is outsourced and that EOs etc tend to manage this outsourcing. Is that not the case in your experience?

    Generally that'd be HEOs that are hands on in dev or infrastructure areas and they do that work in tandem with admin, invoicing and managing external resources for their areas.


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    #383
    TheRoyce
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭TheRoyce


    Anybody heard anything in relation to online interviews that are to "commence on Monday 16th November"?


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    #384
    Galantis
    Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭Galantis


    Has anyone the information booklet in relation to the AO HR comp?


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    #385
    ddpas
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭ddpas


    TheRoyce wrote: »
    Anybody heard anything in relation to online interviews that are to "commence on Monday 16th November"?

    I just got an interview for the business/finance stream to do between Monday and Wednesday!!


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    #386
    Aleece2020
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭Aleece2020


    Anyone hear back for Industrial Relations Stream yet?


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    #387
    AngryLips
    Registered Users Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    ddpas wrote: »
    I just got an interview for the business/finance stream to do between Monday and Wednesday!!


    Same here. I'm not hopeful on it though because my OOM was close to 100 ...unless my interview performance reorders my OOM.


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    #388
    Daisies
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,644 Mod ✭✭✭✭Daisies


    TheRoyce wrote: »
    Anybody heard anything in relation to online interviews that are to "commence on Monday 16th November"?

    Just heard re the Health stream in the last hour.


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    #389
    ddpas
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭ddpas


    AngryLips wrote: »
    Same here. I'm not hopeful on it though because my OOM was close to 100 ...unless my interview performance reorders my OOM.

    As far as I know everyone is on a level playing field for this new stage (in terms of oom)


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    #390
    doc22
    Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭doc22


    The finance/business interview questions are FAR easier then last year from what I can remember


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    #391
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    doc22 wrote: »
    The finance/business interview questions are FAR easier then last year from what I can remember

    Thank Christ you get a chance to research them in advance- and while they are topical, it doesn't make them any easier to respond to. The 3 minute per section is going to be the killer.


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