Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

Russman wrote: »

If you change the narrative from "we have amongst the lowest case numbers and the harshest lockdown", to "we have amongst the lowest case numbers because we have the harshest lockdown", would that not make more sense though ? I wouldn't be happy with waiting until things got really really bad before we imposed restrictions, would you ?

Whether its plain to see or not, that's purely opinion. What about its plain to see pubs are places where people gather and that helps spread the virus ?
You really think Holohan and the govt are doing all this for the craic ?
It seems to me that almost every business claims to be safe and that they should be open, so why not open everything up ? Like I said earlier, its the low hanging fruit. They know they can't really shut everything down so they go with the obvious and easy ones.

My employment or not has nothing to do with my opinion. I know people who are working from home, I know people on the PUP and I live with a front liner who suffered terrible mental health issues during the first lockdown (and is still getting treatment). Of course I have sympathy with people struggling, but there's a bigger picture that I can have an opinion about too.

Ireland hasnt had the harshest lockdown though by any stretch compared to Italy, Spain or France, yet their pubs were still allowed to remain open in addition to other countries some where bars never closed, its clear to all that NPHET right from the outset have continually blamed pubs and foreign travel, and this is without a shred of evidence to back up these outlanish claims, so why are they doing this, for the craic, nah i just think he doesnt like pubs and has used them as a scapegoat ,this is exactly what is happening here, except its not asking pubs to close early which they wouldnt mind they just will not allow them to open period, , they will not admit the risk associated with pubs is low, the mass job lossed and pubs closing for good and this is all NPHETS doing.

Another epic fail on behalf of NPHET /FFG, they drove home the message for months on end that foreign travel was dangerous, and people should holiday at home, or "staycation" (who came up with that cringe word) and promising a"staycation subsidy"

So you had people paying obscene amounts of money to go and stay in hotels in popular places like Killarney,etc where you could sit in the hotel bar and at the time you had to pay €9 euro for the covid meal and you could stay for one hour 45 minutes then you had to leave no questions your time is up, but this is Ireland and you cant rely on the weather and what in the most likely event its raining what can you do, not a lot asides from sit in your hotel room and look out the window wishing you were beside the pool in Spain depressed, so more and more people started to question why they would want to fork out big money for an utterly depressing experience like this and said i can get a week in Italy or Spain flights, hotel and spending money for what you'd pay in Ireland in a few days and the sun will be shining and it will feel like an actual holiday, so people done this and came back and said they'd a great time, adhered to social distancing mask wearing and proper hand hygiene and never felt safer, i done this myself and never felf safer.

NPHET though continued on with the same narrative and still advised that air travel was dangerous and continued to drive home the "staycation" nonsense, when it was pointed out that people have a greater chance of catching the virus in overcrowded tourist towns like Killarney as opposed to half empty holiday resorts this was shot down as nonsense, then what transpired was .....

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https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/coronavirus-cases-up-at-staycation-spots-as-doctors-worry-about-test-no-shows-39390371.html

but again nothing was said about this, NPHET continue to this very day to say that air travel is dangerous, if air travel is so dangerous why are there no reported clusters of airline staff who contracted the virus, why are there so few cases attributed to travel, the simple fact is it's safer to get on a plane with proper air filtration and everyone wearing a mask than it is a weekend away in some crowded Irish town.

But again hell will freeze over before they ever admit this.

SB71 wrote: »

I dont have to produce evidence to show that pubs are safe and conrtrolled environments because it's plain for all to see.

It's not though. Lots of people disagree with you.

Such is life.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Allowing pubs to open for the Christmas period will not stop house parties and after pub get togethers, and gatherings in people's homes either.

I want things to open up, doesn't everyone? But not at the cost of another flipping lockdown either. It is possibly a big risk around Christmas, we have sacrificed a lot to get to this point, lockdown after lockdown etc. I'd honestly be happy enough to be able to travel outside my county to visit family TBH.

But sure look it, the schools are open, that was the target.

I'll duck down now.

It's important to remember that in Level 3 you cannot travel outside your county and only you may visit your family (max 1 person at a time mixing with amiyhet household). As such, it's not a trade off between wet pubs and family get together. It's both or none.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Level 2.7 so and allow inter county travel lol.

Yes, exactly. Something like that. My point is just to not let yourself get sucked into the "we hope to move to level 3 in December" narrative as it is not sufficient to enable wet pubs opening, indoor dining in restaurants, travel outside your county and gatherings in households with more than 1 other person.