Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

owlbethere · 10-11-2020 10:16PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's a very serious matter, but it's also very hard to take de Facebuke luvvies srsly.

There was a post from someone in one of the Irish covid groups. It wasn't a post drawing attention or alert about spread in schools. It was a post looking for advice. The post began saying a child in her child's class tested positive. Now her child is showing some signs of some sickness but no typical signs of covid. By the end of the day, a temperature came and now the poster is worried that it could be covid.

Why would someone go into a group and tell a packful of lies? I don't get it.

It was me who picked up on the persons post. NHPET has clearly said many times that spread is not occurring in schools. This is wrong. Spread is occurring in schools.

ACitizenErased · 10-11-2020 10:17PM

I don't believe a word on Facebook. Never did, never will.

kippy · 10-11-2020 10:18PM

owlbethere wrote: »

There was a post from someone in one of the Irish covid groups. It wasn't a post drawing attention or alert about spread in schools. It was a post looking for advice. The post began saying a child in her child's class tested positive. Now her child is showing some signs of some sickness but no typical signs of covid. By the end of the day, a temperature came and now the poster is worried that it could be covid.

Why would someone go into a group and tell a packful of lies? I don't get it.

It was me who picked up on the persons post. NHPET has clearly said many times that spread is not occurring in schools. This is wrong. Spread is occurring in schools.

Thats not true.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/education/covid-19-transmitted-in-fewer-than-10-schools-nphet-1.4392706%3fmode=amp

giveitholly · 10-11-2020 10:19PM

Wonder could they get a vaccine for Facebook?

owlbethere · 10-11-2020 10:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don't believe a word on Facebook. Never did, never will.

For sure, there is some trash on Facebook. I have no reason to doubt that post I read about in the group though. It wasn't a drama or an attention seeking post. I get a sense that it was written from a genuine place of needing help and advice on what steps to take next, etc.

It's me who picked up on the post. NHPET has pushed the story that covid spread is not happening in schools and that is clearly not the case.

kippy · 10-11-2020 10:21PM

owlbethere wrote: »

For sure, there is some trash on Facebook. I have no reason to doubt that post I read about in the group though. It wasn't a drama or an attention seeking post. I get a sense that it was written from a genuine place of needing help and advice on what steps to take next, etc.

It's me who picked up on the post. NHPET has pushed the story that covid spread is not happening in schools and that is clearly not the case.

NPHET haven't said that.

ACitizenErased · 10-11-2020 10:23PM

owlbethere wrote: »

For sure, there is some trash on Facebook. I have no reason to doubt that post I read about in the group though. It wasn't a drama or an attention seeking post. I get a sense that it was written from a genuine place of needing help and advice on what steps to take next, etc.

It's me who picked up on the post. NHPET has pushed the story that covid spread is not happening in schools and that is clearly not the case.

That's not really good enough criteria to believe it.

owlbethere · 10-11-2020 10:24PM

kippy wrote: »

NPHET haven't said that.

They said children are catching covid at home and not in schools. Yet there is evidence of spread in schools.

wowzer · 10-11-2020 10:25PM

Very little difference between believing a post on Facebook versus believing a post on here, it's all randomers posting on the internet.

kippy · 10-11-2020 10:26PM

owlbethere wrote: »

They said children are catching covid at home and not in schools. Yet there is evidence of spread in schools.

Why not just admit you were wrong. Read the link I posted above then come back and say you were wrong.

What Username Guidelines · 10-11-2020 10:28PM

owlbethere wrote: »

For sure, there is some trash on Facebook. I have no reason to doubt that post I read about in the group though. It wasn't a drama or an attention seeking post. I get a sense that it was written from a genuine place of needing help and advice on what steps to take next, etc.

It's me who picked up on the post. NHPET has pushed the story that covid spread is not happening in schools and that is clearly not the case.

The story on Facebook may or may not be true. But NPHET has said that schools are not the main driver of spread. They’re not saying it’s impossible to pick it up in school.

Kids can pass it on in school. People in masks can catch it. People standing more than two metres apart can still pass it.

I really don’t understand how there’s a school argument still. No one in any official capacity has said you can’t catch it in school. It can happen. But at least up until now, it hasn’t happened at a scale that’s causing issues.

If it spread like wildfire like some seem to think, then two months of school would have the country in very bad nick, but the numbers are dropping.

Being horrified at seeing a story on Facebook is a bit much tbh. Facebook is a particularly bad place for it as it becomes an echo chamber of unverified news being spread in bubbles of like-minded people.

wakka12 · 10-11-2020 10:31PM

wowzer wrote: »

Very little difference between believing a post on Facebook versus believing a post on here, it's all randomers posting on the internet.

At least the fake news on here might be a little bit more convincing though

GeorgeBailey · 10-11-2020 10:32PM

wowzer wrote: »

Very little difference between believing a post on Facebook versus believing a post on here, it's all randomers posting on the internet.

And I would tend towards not believing any anecdotes on here either.

Non solum non ambulabit · 10-11-2020 10:36PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I'm horrified reading it. NHPET has pushed the narrative that kids are catching the virus at home and they can't pass it onto each other in schools, yet here is evidence it's spreading in schools.

This is complete lies from you. NPHET never said such a thing and said nowhere is a safe environment.

owlbethere · 10-11-2020 10:37PM

kippy wrote: »

Why not just admit you were wrong. Read the link I posted above then come back and say you were wrong.

It says where spread has occurred in schools, it is 'most likely' happened in less than 10 schools.

How can the words 'most likely' fill anyone with confidence? They are clearly not tracking and tracing school infections with the words 'most likely'. They either know their stuff or not when it comes to tracking and tracing.

kippy · 10-11-2020 10:43PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It says where spread has occurred in schools, it is 'most likely' happened in less than 10 schools.

How can the words 'most likely' fill anyone with confidence? They are clearly not tracking and tracing school infections with the words 'most likely'. They either know their stuff or not when it comes to tracking and tracing.

This is just nonsense. You very patently cannot admit you are wrong despite evidence that you very clearly are!
Spreading manure and mistruth.
Show me where in that article NPHET has said there is "NO SPREAD" in schools?

MelbourneMan · 10-11-2020 10:44PM

screamer wrote: »

Ha! sure we should blindly trust and follow everything they say. Yep, maybe 50 years ago, not these days. I’d like to call on NPHET to give us their plan B come December 1st if the cases are not below the desired thresholds, and be clear and transparent about it, we might start listening and trusting them more then, but unless/ until they start that transparent dialog I’ll take everything they say with a bottle of salt.

Hello. I am sure that you would accept that it is very difficult for a highly technical and specialist group like NPHET to share and expect the wider public to understand the data and their considerations behind their expert advice.

They are paid to provide this technical guidance. The basis of trust requires solely that we acknowledge the professional credentials of its members - trust should not be influenced by the ability of those less expert to critique its analysis and recommendations resulting.

There can really be no countering the reason that following their advice, difficulty certainly as that can be, it the most sensible and rational course of actions for all citizens. Not understanding the background to the advice is certainly no rational ground for not observing it.

Jim_Hodge · 10-11-2020 10:44PM

owlbethere wrote: »

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I'm horrified reading it. NHPET has pushed the narrative that kids are catching the virus at home and they can't pass it onto each other in schools, yet here is evidence it's spreading in schools.

I hope you never have to give evidence in a court. NPHET never said any such thing. Of course you know this but it doesn't suit the narrative you're pushing.

What Username Guidelines · 10-11-2020 10:50PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It says where spread has occurred in schools, it is 'most likely' happened in less than 10 schools.

How can the words 'most likely' fill anyone with confidence? They are clearly not tracking and tracing school infections with the words 'most likely'. They either know their stuff or not when it comes to tracking and tracing.

“Most likely” is the best we can hope for, tbh. What do you want them to say? They cannot give rock solid guarantees.

It is clear from epidemiology reports that there are cases, and some spread, in schools. Yes we can question the fact that lots of cases are put down as household and that those have to start somewhere.

But even if we do discover that it’s spreading through schools, while I agree with lots of measures, we can’t all go back to March style lockdown. Level 5 is harsh, but closing schools on top of it would be far harsher.

stephenjmcd · 10-11-2020 11:06PM

HSE Operations report
268 covid paitents in hospital, increase of 3
39 in ICU, decrease of 1.

Another stable enough day for hospitals

10-11-2020 11:08PM

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/ireland-set-to-receive-two-million-doses-of-pfizer-vaccine-if-approval-gets-thumbs-up/ar-BB1aRner?ocid=msedgntp

Are we to be used as guinea pigs?

domrush · 10-11-2020 11:11PM

Oscar Madison wrote: »

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/ireland-set-to-receive-two-million-doses-of-pfizer-vaccine-if-approval-gets-thumbs-up/ar-BB1aRner?ocid=msedgntp

Are we to be used as guinea pigs?

Why post an article without reading it?

is_that_so · 10-11-2020 11:11PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

anyone traveling here should have a negative test cert before they board the aircraft.

They should be obliged to isolate and that should be checked. They should be heavily fined if they leave their quarantine. They should be then tested after 5 days. All this should be at their expense.

We will also need to stwike them woughly!

Beasty · 10-11-2020 11:16PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

This is correct. NPHET provides expert advice to the government. All decisions are taken by the cabinet. So the view that NPHET is controlling, or even wild irrational statements about a headmaster admonishing children, or living in a police state is either irrational nonsense, or deliberate misinformation for nefarious aims.

All public servants, medical experts, and members of the government are working with one goal - the good of the Irish people. Charges counter to that are groundless.

What is harmful, is non experts giving opinions on the recommendations of experts. Those of good sense know how little they know themselves - and trust those with the right expertise to provide the best guidance.

I call now on all here to cease with their baseless criticism and sowing of distrust for the recommendations of NPHET, and the actions being implemented by the government.

Threadbanned for ignoring my warning from yesterday evening

Rob A. Bank · 10-11-2020 11:25PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

“Most likely” is the best we can hope for, tbh. What do you want them to say? They cannot give rock solid guarantees.

It is clear from epidemiology reports that there are cases, and some spread, in schools. Yes we can question the fact that lots of cases are put down as household and that those have to start somewhere.

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Without doing genomic sequencing of the infecting virus, it is impossible to claim that cases identified in schools were caught in the community, rather than in the school.

Large superspreading clusters elsewhere show how easily schools can spread the virus.

Melbourne

A major coronavirus cluster developed at Al-Taqwa College, a large primary and high school in outer-Melbourne.

During the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic in Australia, Al-Taqwa College was one of the biggest case clusters in Australia, and the second biggest cluster outside of public housing and aged care, with 210 confirmed cases

Israel

Testing of the complete school community revealed 153 students (attack rate: 13.2%) and 25 staff members (attack rate: 16.6%) who were COVID-19 positive. Overall, some 260 persons were infected (students, staff members, relatives and friends). In this report, we aim to describe the investigation and epidemiological characteristics of the school's outbreak.

10-11-2020 11:26PM

domrush wrote: »

Why post an article without reading it?

I read it!

What part are you implying that I missed?

wakka12 · 10-11-2020 11:36PM

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1326243510123687938/photo/1

COVID now considered out of control in almost all corners of the United States and deteriorating in 49 of 50 states. Surprisingly even in New York and New Jersey, pretty shocked to see that

kippy · 10-11-2020 11:37PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Without doing genomic sequencing of the infecting virus, it is impossible to claim that cases identified in schools were caught in the community, rather than in the school.

Large superspreading clusters elsewhere show how easily schools can spread the virus.

Melbourne

Israel

Who is suggesting that the virus cannot be spread in schools?

JP Liz V1 · 10-11-2020 11:38PM

Richard Schiff announced Tuesday that he and his wife, actress Sheila Kelley, have tested positive

Widdensushi · 10-11-2020 11:48PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1326243510123687938/photo/1

COVID now considered out of control in almost all corners of the United States and deteriorating in 49 of 50 states. Surprisingly even in New York and New Jersey, pretty shocked to see that

Not sure it's surprising given some of the carry on during the election, the tube must be a petri dish for infection

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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