Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Stheno · 10-11-2020 08:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I read on the RTE site that Anthony Staines and Tomas Ryan are saying that we will be in and out of lockdown until the end of 2021 at least. They are part of a group called Independent Scientific Advisory Group who want to eliminate Covid.

While I understand that the Pfizer or indeed any vaccine would not be a magic bullet, surely yesterday's good news would be encouraging. Encouraging enough that we could look in to the future without such a projection? Or as they are medical experts is it likely they are correct?

Are you new here? They've been banging the zero Covid drum literally since this crap started!

KrustyUCC · 10-11-2020 08:48PM

Yes they're obsessed with zero covid

They can never explain how they will get to that point though as there will be different Covid strategies in the North and down here

Stheno · 10-11-2020 08:49PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes they're obsessed with zero covid

They can never explain how they will get to that point though as there will be different Covid strategies in the North and down here

Now Tomas does make valid points about test trace/isolate in fairness to him

The zero Covid thing is ridiulous though

owlbethere · 10-11-2020 08:53PM

I'm looking forward to the vaccine. If its out by the end of the year, it will be the best Christmas present ever. 🤞

10-11-2020 08:54PM

Stheno wrote: »

Are you new here? They've been banging the zero Covid drum literally since this crap started!

No. I'm not new here.

10-11-2020 08:55PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes they're obsessed with zero covid

They can never explain how they will get to that point though as there will be different Covid strategies in the North and down here

Indeed they are. I wonder though why they still think we will be in rolling restrictions for that length of time even with a vaccine. Perhaps they are looking at it from a worst case scenario perspective. Which wouldn't be unusual :pac:

ExMachina1000 · 10-11-2020 08:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I read on the RTE site that Anthony Staines and Tomas Ryan are saying that we will be in and out of lockdown until the end of 2021 at least. They are part of a group called Independent Scientific Advisory Group who want to eliminate Covid.

While I understand that the Pfizer or indeed any vaccine would not be a magic bullet, surely yesterday's good news would be encouraging. Encouraging enough that we could look in to the future without such a projection? Or as they are medical experts is it likely they are correct?

Pfizer are still a business who will look to promote and profit. Yes they have developed a potential vaccine but there is still a ton of paperwork to be completed. Independent testing etc and the amount of time required to manufacture and deliver and then the amount of time for governments to set up administration and begin to actually give it to citizens.

Long long road to go yet I would imagine

Stheno · 10-11-2020 08:59PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Pfizer are still a business who will look to promote and profit. Yes they have developed a potential vaccine but there is still a ton of paperwork to be completed. Independent testing etc and the amount of time required to manufacture and deliver and then the amount of time for governments to set up administration and begin to actually give it to citizens.

Long long road to go yet I would imagine

They've done a lot of this in parallel

NIMAN · 10-11-2020 09:02PM

Is zero Covid even possible?

Surely it'll be like the flu, its not possible to eliminate it.

We might well need an annual jab against Covid too?

Cork2021 · 10-11-2020 09:05PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Is zero Covid even possible?

Surely it'll be like the flu, its not possible to eliminate it.

We might well need an annual jab against Covid too?

It’s not and they’ve been very quiet lately as well

wadacrack · 10-11-2020 09:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I read on the RTE site that Anthony Staines and Tomas Ryan are saying that we will be in and out of lockdown until the end of 2021 at least. They are part of a group called Independent Scientific Advisory Group who want to eliminate Covid.

While I understand that the Pfizer or indeed any vaccine would not be a magic bullet, surely yesterday's good news would be encouraging. Encouraging enough that we could look in to the future without such a projection? Or as they are medical experts is it likely they are correct?

I think it will be under control by mid 2021.
Rapid testing is in its infancy but lots of progress being made. That combined with a vaccine that looks like could be used here within the next 10-12 weeks. If we come out of this lockdown with cases below 100 daily it could be the last significant wave we have to deal with.

https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1326047307012431872

stephenjmcd · 10-11-2020 09:14PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Pfizer are still a business who will look to promote and profit. Yes they have developed a potential vaccine but there is still a ton of paperwork to be completed. Independent testing etc and the amount of time required to manufacture and deliver and then the amount of time for governments to set up administration and begin to actually give it to citizens.

Long long road to go yet I would imagine

Nearly all of what you mention has been on going for months. They weren't hanging around waiting for one part to be completed before starting the next. Hence the speed as which its moved

Eod100 · 10-11-2020 09:27PM

Interesting piece here on travel. Mentions that '' travellers using Dublin Airport will be able to be tested pre-flight for coronavirus after the Cabinet approved a planning exemption for a privately run testing facility at the airport.''

Wonder does that anyone can get a rapid test travelling from Ireland once other countries accept it but if you travel back to Ireland from orange country will have option to get PCR test to shorten 14 days to 5?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/only-gold-standard-covid-test-will-result-in-restriction-free-travel-around-ireland-1.4405837?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

wakka12 · 10-11-2020 09:28PM

Brazil's highly respected former Minister for Health has theorised that Brazil may have reached a temporary kind of herd immunity benefit through a combination of high numbers of infected and mask wearing/ social distancing, both keeping numbers down.

He has estimated that based on a number of studies in reality about 55-65 million Brazilians have been infected (roughly 1 in 3 Brazilians ) rather than the official 5.5 million cases, and deaths are about 245,000 rather than the official 165,000.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-11-09/uncounted-infections-might-help-explain-recent-fall-in-brazil-covid-19-cases-experts-say

In a way this is good news for Europe, I would say after this second wave 20-30% of Europeans will have been infected based on antibody studies, so based on Brazil's experience we will probably be unlikely to have a third wave due to high immunity levels and ongoing mask wearing and moderate level of social distancing. And with less overcrowding in housing the threshhold will probably be lower here than in Brazil.

Eod100 · 10-11-2020 09:32PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Brazil's highly respected former Minister for Health has theorised that Brazil may have reached a temporary kind of herd immunity benefit through a combination of high numbers of infected and mask wearing/ social distancing, both keeping numbers down.

He has estimated that based on a number of studies in reality about 55-65 million Brazilians have been infected (roughly 1 in 3 Brazilians ) rather than the official 5.5 million cases, and deaths are about 245,000 rather than the official 165,000.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-11-09/uncounted-infections-might-help-explain-recent-fall-in-brazil-covid-19-cases-experts-say

Still not known the level of immunity or for how long it lasts. Presumably there has to be some though if vaccine is to be successful. Much better to get actual herd immunity through vaccination as the human cost of 245,000 deaths and millions sick shows.

owlbethere · 10-11-2020 09:34PM

I read something in one of the Irish Facebook groups and I'm absolutely horrified with what I read.

Basically it's from a parent, and a child in her child's class tested positive. He child is now not feeling well with loss of appetite and a temperature. She will be getting tested for the coronavirus/covid-19.

NHPET has pushed the story since the schools started that kids are catching the virus at home. Kids are not catching the virus in schools off each other. Wasn't that the hse's and NHPETs narrative since the schools with back.

The poster on Facebook is adamant that if it's turns out to be positive for covid19, the only exposure the child has, would be from school.

I'm horrified reading it. NHPET has pushed the narrative that kids are catching the virus at home and they can't pass it onto each other in schools, yet here is evidence it's spreading in schools.

Knine · 10-11-2020 09:35PM

I am pretty sure my child caught it in school. She had not been anywhere else!

domrush · 10-11-2020 09:36PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I read something in one of the Irish Facebook groups and I'm absolutely horrified with what I read.

Basically it's from a parent, and a child in her child's class tested positive. He child is now not feeling well with loss of appetite and a temperature. She will be getting tested for the coronavirus/covid-19.

NHPET has pushed the story since the schools started that kids are catching the virus at home. Kids are not catching the virus in schools off each other. Wasn't that the hse's and NHPETs narrative since the schools with back.

The poster on Facebook is adamant that if it's turns out to be positive for covid19, the only exposure the child has, would be from school.

I'm horrified reading it. NHPET has pushed the narrative that kids are catching the virus at home and they can't pass it onto each other in schools, yet here is evidence it's spreading in schools.

Maybe take a break from Facebook groups

owlbethere · 10-11-2020 09:40PM

Knine wrote: »

I am pretty sure my child caught it in school. She had not been anywhere else!

I'm so sorry to read this. How is your child doing now? And you and family.

I'm horrified to read that this is spreading in schools. NHPET has said that children are catching it at home and there's no spread in schools and schools are safe place.

This is disgusting how the public health authorities and our government is allowing more infection to spread.

Widdensushi · 10-11-2020 09:42PM

Random reports from supposed Facebook groups and WhatsApp groups shouldn't be allowed "fake news" without something to back it up.

owlbethere · 10-11-2020 09:43PM

domrush wrote: »

Maybe take a break from Facebook groups

It's actually a very serious matter and there's a poster above with a similar experience of their child becoming infected in school.

kippy · 10-11-2020 09:43PM

pheasant tail wrote: »

Continue to fall... sure how could that even be possible with the schools open?

Why wouldn't they?
With less community transmission and less transmission amongst the population in general it's less likely to make it into the schools.

kippy · 10-11-2020 09:44PM

Kids may catch it in school - I don't think there's anyone disputing that.
They are less likely to catch it, the less community transmission there is.

copeyhagen · 10-11-2020 09:55PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's actually a very serious matter and there's a poster above with a similar experience of their child becoming infected in school.

welcome to the internet, where we believe everything we read, like one poster that THINKS thier child might have caught it in school.

I heard of one person catching it by licking their cat that was infected on a facebrook group called 'jim corrs kitten lickers'

Jimson · 10-11-2020 09:57PM

kippy wrote: »

Why wouldn't they?
With less community transmission and less transmission amongst the population in general it's less likely to make it into the schools.

Sure that's hiw it spreads in the first place, crowds and asymptomatic people.

We'll see in the next five weeks now how it goes with schools been back. My guess the numbers will soar.

GazzaL · 10-11-2020 10:04PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's actually a very serious matter and there's a poster above with a similar experience of their child becoming infected in school.

It's a very serious matter, but it's also very hard to take de Facebuke luvvies srsly.

440Hertz · 10-11-2020 10:13PM

What's going on in Northern Ireland?

It's greyed out on the maps with notes that insufficient data is available. Seems a bit ridiculous given the high levels of cases up here at the moment that data isn't being made available - fairly inexcusable.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

kippy · 10-11-2020 10:13PM

Jimson wrote: »

Sure that's hiw it spreads in the first place, crowds and asymptomatic people.

We'll see in the next five weeks now how it goes with schools been back. My guess the numbers will soar.

Don't see it. So long as the adults do what they should there is no reason to expect soaring numbers in schools.

Eod100 · 10-11-2020 10:13PM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's a very serious matter, but it's also very hard to take de Facebuke luvvies srsly.

Think it's a bit more nuanced that that, if there's a lack of transparency around cases in schools which at times there seems to be and a different definition of close contact in schools over other settings can understand people being concerned. Think more needs to be done to reassure parents. Positive side is that lower community cases are lower risk schools and other settings are.

kippy · 10-11-2020 10:16PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I read something in one of the Irish Facebook groups and I'm absolutely horrified with what I read.

Basically it's from a parent, and a child in her child's class tested positive. He child is now not feeling well with loss of appetite and a temperature. She will be getting tested for the coronavirus/covid-19.

NHPET has pushed the story since the schools started that kids are catching the virus at home. Kids are not catching the virus in schools off each other. Wasn't that the hse's and NHPETs narrative since the schools with back.

The poster on Facebook is adamant that if it's turns out to be positive for covid19, the only exposure the child has, would be from school.

I'm horrified reading it. NHPET has pushed the narrative that kids are catching the virus at home and they can't pass it onto each other in schools, yet here is evidence it's spreading in schools.

TBF of course it is possible that it will spread between kids in schools. Which is why there are so many restrictions and regulations in place to try reduce the risk of that.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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