Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Fr_Dougal · 10-11-2020 04:49PM

seamus wrote: »

The requirement to keep it at -80 degrees will be an issue. This isn't something that will be distributed through your GP.

They'll most likely have to outfit a few custom vehicles with the cooling equipment and set up pop-up vaccination centres.

In other words it won't be something you make an appointment for. There'll be a vaccination centre down the road for 2 days and you need to get there before it leaves.

We can use ice cream vans.

screamer · 10-11-2020 04:50PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

I call now on all here to cease with their baseless criticism and sowing of distrust for the recommendations of NPHET, and the actions being implemented by the government.

Ha! sure we should blindly trust and follow everything they say. Yep, maybe 50 years ago, not these days. I’d like to call on NPHET to give us their plan B come December 1st if the cases are not below the desired thresholds, and be clear and transparent about it, we might start listening and trusting them more then, but unless/ until they start that transparent dialog I’ll take everything they say with a bottle of salt.

Jim_Hodge · 10-11-2020 04:51PM

seamie78 wrote: »

300 m doses would cover a 3rd of the population, would I be right in saying that would equal the total at risk people

If by dose they mean a full round of vaccinations then they have more. Population of the EU is 445 million.

OwenM · 10-11-2020 05:03PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

This is correct. NPHET provides expert advice to the government. All decisions are taken by the cabinet. So the view that NPHET is controlling, or even wild irrational statements about a headmaster admonishing children, or living in a police state is either irrational nonsense, or deliberate misinformation for nefarious aims.

All public servants, medical experts, and members of the government are working with one goal - the good of the Irish people. Charges counter to that are groundless.

What is harmful, is non experts giving opinions on the recommendations of experts. Those of good sense know how little they know themselves - and trust those with the right expertise to provide the best guidance.

I call now on all here to cease with their baseless criticism and sowing of distrust for the recommendations of NPHET, and the actions being implemented by the government.

There is a very valid basis for criticism of NPHET, they face an asymmetrical risk where the economy and to a lesser extent other medical issues are not a concern. A 60% reduction in cancer screenings so far this year is a point in case.

stephenjmcd · 10-11-2020 05:08PM

281 swabs from 10,341 tests. 2.7% positivity

Non solum non ambulabit · 10-11-2020 05:10PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

281 swabs from 10,341 tests. 2.7% positivity

Great numbers again. Downward trend continues.

OwenM · 10-11-2020 05:10PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

We can use ice cream vans.

They can mix the vaccine into ice cream ?? That's brilliant, you know what why don't they wait for a really cold day in January and get the Aer Corps to crop dust the country with Mr Freezes laced with it?

OwenM · 10-11-2020 05:11PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

281 swabs from 10,341 tests. 2.7% positivity

Open the pubs.

JDD · 10-11-2020 05:11PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

281 swabs from 10,341 tests. 2.7% positivity

Great news. If the rate of reduction in infections continues to fall, we should well under the 100 a day mark come 1 December. Perhaps we might even be under 50 - though that would be optimistic.

Benimar · 10-11-2020 05:11PM

Lowest swab numbers since 29th September

seamus · 10-11-2020 05:12PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

281 swabs from 10,341 tests. 2.7% positivity

7-day down to 3.74%

I have to admit getting a little excited at that number. That's the lowest positivity rate since 29th September.

is_that_so · 10-11-2020 05:13PM

JDD wrote: »

Great news. If the rate of reduction in infections continues to fall, we should well under the 100 a day mark come 1 December. Perhaps we might even be under 50 - though that would be optimistic.

Ah, but will that be "as low as possible"?

OwenM · 10-11-2020 05:15PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Ah, but will that be "as low as possible"?

I've always felt there is a 'Zero-Covid' cabal within NPHET.

hynesie08 · 10-11-2020 05:16PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

281 swabs from 10,341 tests. 2.7% positivity

*Raises head

Nods approvingly

Lowers head*

wakka12 · 10-11-2020 05:16PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Things are really bad for Northern Ireland at the moment, have they even asked the Republic about spare capacity. it looks like they are doing triage as 11 deaths in the space of 24 hours is scary for the size of the region.

11 is not huge it's the same as 30 deaths daily here but they seem to be stuck at 10 or so deaths a day for weeks now and that will lead to quite significant excess death overall if it sustains for a long period of time, which it looks like it will.

JDD · 10-11-2020 05:18PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Ah, but will that be "as low as possible"?

I doubt even Tony was expecting this level of fall, given the dip and then rise in cases in Dublin during Level 3.

Remember, it took us four months to get down to the single digit numbers we saw in July.

I think we're on track to going back to a Level 3 from Dec 1 to Dec 24. I think there might be some special dispensation given for Christmas Day. If cases continue to fall, even at a much slower rate, and there isn't a huge jump in infections stemming from Christmas Day, I think we might see a Level 2 in January.

At least for a bit, until cases start to rise again and we have to climb back up the restriction levels.

is_that_so · 10-11-2020 05:19PM

OwenM wrote: »

I've always felt there is a 'Zero-Covid' cabal within NPHET.

I'd use a TMO from rugby analogy along the lines of "Is there any reason why we can ease restrictions" rather than "why we can't".

bikeman1 · 10-11-2020 05:19PM

I'd love to know where the "it's always higher on Tuesday" crowd have gone to? The weekend effect etc.

Great numbers!

seamus · 10-11-2020 05:20PM

JDD wrote: »

Great news. If the rate of reduction in infections continues to fall, we should well under the 100 a day mark come 1 December. Perhaps we might even be under 50 - though that would be optimistic.

Current trajectory puts us at around 200/day (2%) by the 18th November; the 4-week "review" point that politicians are ignoring they ever said.

Below 2% it can be hard to run any predictions because the positivity rate will begin to curve to plateau. So if you run a linear projection, that says we'll be back to 0.2% by the end of November. Which is obviously rubbish.

I think they should look at throwing a few bones next week tbh. Maybe move to level 4, with low-risk businesses like salons back open again.

ednwireland · 10-11-2020 05:20PM

bikeman1 wrote: »

I'd love to know where the "it's always higher on Tuesday" crowd have gone to? The weekend effect etc.

Great numbers!

its always higher on a tuesday

wish the stubbornly high donegal figures would drop!

eigrod · 10-11-2020 05:20PM

I wonder are these particularly low numbers reflective of the schools being closed for a week or are they coming from spread last week when the schools had reopened?

This is not a negative post on schools as I believe they are not contributing to outbreaks in any significant way, just a genuine question.

IrishStuff09 · 10-11-2020 05:21PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

281 swabs from 10,341 tests. 2.7% positivity

It's strange seeing a number in the 200s and feeling hopeful!

is_that_so · 10-11-2020 05:22PM

JDD wrote: »

I doubt even Tony was expecting this level of fall, given the dip and then rise in cases in Dublin during Level 3.

Remember, it took us four months to get down to the single digit numbers we saw in July.

I think we're on track to going back to a Level 3 from Dec 1 to Dec 24. I think there might be some special dispensation given for Christmas Day. If cases continue to fall, even at a much slower rate, and there isn't a huge jump in infections stemming from Christmas Day, I think we might see a Level 2 in January.

At least for a bit, until cases start to rise again and we have to climb back up the restriction levels.

Someone linked to the 2nd Israeli surge at one stage. It saw something similar where the reduction happened a lot more quickly than expected. I'll believe L3 when I see it and I can see any of the metrics being used as a reason not to recommend it.

seamus · 10-11-2020 05:22PM

eigrod wrote: »

I wonder are these particularly low numbers reflective of the schools being closed for a week or are they coming from spread last week when the schools had reopened?

This is not a negative post on schools as I believe they are not contributing to outbreaks in any significant way, just a genuine question.

These numbers are the effect of level 5 restrictions kicking in. Level 5 started on 21st, so we'd expect to the impact 2-3 weeks after that; 4th - 11th Nov.

If the schools closing had an impact, then we'd see that toward the end of this week, but it would be impossible to separate from the impact of level 5 anyway.

Likewise the schools opening back up - if schools are a factor - would see a blip in rates about the end of next week. But then we should expect the rates to start to plateau around then anyway.

So in short, we will never know if the mid-term break had any impact.

hynesie08 · 10-11-2020 05:25PM

bikeman1 wrote: »

I'd love to know where the "it's always higher on Tuesday" crowd have gone to? The weekend effect etc.

Great numbers!

Shouldn't we be hoping that Tuesday is the highest number this week?

10-11-2020 05:25PM

In the next day or 2 we will go from red to orange on the EU traffic light system. 25-150 14 fate rate and <4% positive. Currently at 157.4

eigrod · 10-11-2020 05:26PM

seamus wrote: »

These numbers are the effect of level 5 restrictions kicking. Level 5 start on 21st, so we'd expect to the impact 2-3 weeks after that; 4th - 11th Nov.

If, as expected, the downward trend continues over the next couple of weeks, then I think we can conclusively say the schools are a safe environment and the measures the teachers & students have taken to return safely are highly effective.

seamus · 10-11-2020 05:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In the next day or 2 we will go from red to orange on the EU traffic light system. 25-150 14 fate rate and <4% positive. Currently at 157.4

It's a bit hollow when we're one of the only ones. We can leave but we can't get back

Winter trips to Norway or Finland might be the new thing this year!

is_that_so · 10-11-2020 05:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In the next day or 2 we will go from red to orange on the EU traffic light system. 25-150 14 fate rate and <4% positive. Currently at 157.4

You can stop now. That's quite enough positive news for this month, thank you!

Arghus · 10-11-2020 05:28PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Just who do you think you are? This persona is not convincing.

Did it ever occur to ye lads that this poster is just enjoying how wound up people are getting about their posts.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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