AMD Zen Discussion Thread

eigenboggle · 09-11-2020 5:53pm

_CreeD_ wrote: »

Just got confirmation from Scan that they have silently changed mine to pre-order. No notification when I was purchasing and now 4 days later nothing until I pushed the issue with customer support. I completed the order as a direct purchase, I know they will have this covered legally in their ToS but effectively this is breach of contract to me. Going to cancel it if they can't get it moving tomorrow, and my account with it. It's not because of impatience on getting it, I don't buy into the FOMO fever for these things and it will take longer to start from scratch elsewhere but this blatantly dishonest behaviour is ridiculous.

Same thing happened to me with the 3080, I thought I was buying something they had in stock at launch. Was a long time before they emailed with an update, and then it was as if it had always been a preorder. I found it infuriating. Though, apart from that, they have been great to deal with!

liamog · 09-11-2020 6:15pm

Scan have updated their website with stock info

https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/amd/ryzen-5000-faqs supposedly will share queue positions and expected deliveries tomorrow.

_CreeD_ · 09-11-2020 6:22pm

Got another reply, no apology for the lack of comms just a reiteration of 'Your order has been received as a pre-order'. I'm done. Cancelled and asked them to delete my account when it's processed. #scam.co.uk .

Wonda-Boy · 09-11-2020 7:00pm

Some Online stores really showing their true colours and not thinking of the END GAME with people....I mean we are going to be updating or rig for decades to come so why be a greedy c**t now with one launch, 1 particular ****hole (OCUK) I will never deal with again with the ****ty way they handled things.

yoshiktk · 09-11-2020 7:08pm

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Some Online stores really showing their true colours and not thinking of the END GAME with people....I mean we are going to be updating or rig for decades to come so why be a greedy c**t now with one launch, 1 particular ****hole (OCUK) I will never deal with again with the ****ty way they handled things.

I would love to hear some insight from retail did they had any info about stock before the launch from Amd.
I dont want to cover for scan or ocuk, just curious whether they got before lauch info like "dont worry about the stock,it will be there." Or went full airlines mode, booking more than they can chew.

liamog · 09-11-2020 7:15pm

I remember about 5 minutes before placing the order, their were 1,000 people looking at the 5950x, they now have 551 in the queue. I'd say they've probably had some cancellations due to people trying multiple retailers.

Andrew76 · 09-11-2020 7:30pm

liamog wrote: »

I remember about 5 minutes before placing the order, their were 1,000 people looking at the 5950x, they now have 551 in the queue. I'd say they've probably had some cancellations due to people trying multiple retailers.

I was watching the 5600X page thoughtout the morning seeing the number watching creep up from 200 to 1200+.

Kinda curious from a technical point of view how Scan's ordering system works - you'd imagine it should have allocated you a unit once you were able to add it to your basket, then give you a certain amount of time to complete the checkout or lose the allocation (like cclonline mentioned on their site - they gave you 15mins apparently). Stock allocation for online shops is a pretty basic thing I would have thought these days.

At worst they shouldn't have let you complete the order if it was no longer in stock. Unless of course it's deliberate to get in as much money as possible then deal with any **** storm afterwards.

yoshiktk · 09-11-2020 7:44pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

I was watching the 5600X page thoughtout the morning seeing the number watching creep up from 200 to 1200+.

Kinda curious from a technical point of view how Scan's ordering system works - you'd imagine it should have allocated you a unit once you were able to add it to your basket, then give you a certain amount of time to complete the checkout or lose the allocation (like cclonline mentioned on their site - they gave you 15mins apparently). Stock allocation for online shops is a pretty basic thing I would have thought these days.

At worst they shouldn't have let you complete the order if it was no longer in stock. Unless of course it's deliberate to get in as much money as possible then deal with any **** storm afterwards.

I wouldnt be surprised that instead of advertising that they have , lets say 500 on order, Scan or/and Ocuk lets people order as many is possible. So now they have a 1000 on preorder list, some will decide to order somewhere else, maybe a 100 or 200 people. But a lot will stay. So instead of only selling 500, they have order for 800.
Not the greatest bussiness practice but happens a lot.

Squidgy Black · 09-11-2020 7:53pm

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Some Online stores really showing their true colours and not thinking of the END GAME with people....I mean we are going to be updating or rig for decades to come so why be a greedy c**t now with one launch, 1 particular ****hole (OCUK) I will never deal with again with the ****ty way they handled things.

I've an overclockers desk mat that I've been dying to get rid of since their 3080 launch, even looking at the logo pisses me off with the way they've handled things.

Definitely won't be purchasing anything from them in the future.

MidlanderMan · 09-11-2020 8:00pm

In another example of the universe taking a big steamy ****e on me today. My new motherboard is dead on arrival

yoshiktk · 09-11-2020 8:05pm

MidlanderMan wrote: »

In another example of the universe taking a big steamy ****e on me today. My new motherboard is dead on arrival

Better dont get in the car today.
Maybe try reverse luck and buy lotto ticket?

.G. · 09-11-2020 8:39pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

I was watching the 5600X page thoughtout the morning seeing the number watching creep up from 200 to 1200+.

Kinda curious from a technical point of view how Scan's ordering system works - you'd imagine it should have allocated you a unit once you were able to add it to your basket, then give you a certain amount of time to complete the checkout or lose the allocation (like cclonline mentioned on their site - they gave you 15mins apparently). Stock allocation for online shops is a pretty basic thing I would have thought these days.

At worst they shouldn't have let you complete the order if it was no longer in stock. Unless of course it's deliberate to get in as much money as possible then deal with any **** storm afterwards.

I got one in the basket with CCL at the same time as I got one in the basket with Scan. CCL website crashed completely though so was impossible to progress the order so I switched focus to scan. The bloody captcha on scan messed me over. It doesn't work very well on mobile and kept asking me to log in even though I already was so that delay killed me with them too!

Kind of wish I just ordered the 5800x memoryc had in stock. Not too many would have thought of them I'd assume. I didn't until amazon tried to sell me one from them!

.G. · 09-11-2020 8:53pm

liamog wrote: »

Scan have updated their website with stock info

https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/amd/ryzen-5000-faqs supposedly will share queue positions and expected deliveries tomorrow.

Surprised at the amount of 5900x ordered. I'm in that lot! I'd haver thought the 5600x would be the big seller.

SickBoy · 09-11-2020 8:58pm

.G. wrote: »

Surprised at the amount of 5900x ordered. I'm in that lot! I'd haver thought the 5600x would be the big seller.

Those figures are the remaining outstanding 'pre-orders".
Chances are the 5600 and 5800 outsold the 5900 by a factor of 2 or 3 I think.

.G. · 09-11-2020 9:40pm

Maybe. My order on their website still says awaiting picking and I didn't get an email to say its now a pre order so fingers crossed I'm getting one this week.

Headshot · 09-11-2020 9:41pm

Is there a big jump in performance from the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X to AMD Ryzen 9 5950X ?

SickBoy · 09-11-2020 9:46pm

Headshot wrote: »

Is there a big jump in performance from the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X to AMD Ryzen 9 5950X ?

Sorry I completely misread your post, thought you were asking 5900x to 5950x.....

There's probably up to ~60% performance improvement based on extra cores and IPC gains.

BloodBath · 09-11-2020 9:50pm

There should be, 4 extra cores with around 20% better performance per core. It should be around 50% faster but it depends on the software.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsfvRw74h30&ab_channel=HardwareUnboxed

In games no.

Of course its better in games too. It still has the better single thread IPC and clock speed. It's up to 30% better for games.

Overheal · 09-11-2020 10:12pm

*maybe* even faster than that with an RX 6000

Slutmonkey57b · 09-11-2020 10:37pm

Having read scan's update on the situation it makes sense to me. Merchants operate on thin margins and updating the checkout software to cover this edge case scenario where thousands of people are burning through your entire stock in a couple of minutes doesn't really make financial sense. Amazon has billions and all the software engineers, predictive modellers, and technology they could ever want, and they still have situations where they decide after you get to the payment screen "actually we can't deliver that to you even though we knew who you were when you logged in".

So while it's frustrating I'm more sympathetic than I am for amazon for the stock stolen before it left the warehouse. Wonder if amazon are rethinking their Irish distribution centre already!

ForestFire · 09-11-2020 11:52pm

Had the Sabrent M.2 NVME SSD Gen4 500GB on order from amazon UK from earlier today... 115euro

The 1TB version is just gone on deal of the day on amazon DE... 150 Inc shipping. Update:- Also now on UK offer working out at 144euro with free delivery.

Difference is too close to stick now, so UK order canceled and now have 1TB on order from DE :-) Update:- DE canceled... Back to UK offer for 1TB...

The white version is also on offer for 82gbp (m.2-3200/2000 1TB).....would it be stupid to order this as a second file storage drive for photos... Think the 4TB barracuda 3.5 inch sata is about the same price?

Hyzepher · 10-11-2020 1:52am

I found this review very interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7qDudI8Tpo

Wonda-Boy · 10-11-2020 2:17am

Headshot wrote: »

Is there a big jump in performance from the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X to AMD Ryzen 9 5950X ?

I looked at the hardware unboxed and the 5900x was around 15-20% faster in general @ stock from what I seen.

I have a 3900x with the balls clocked off it (to my limited expertise) to 4.5ghz ALL CORES (idling at late 30c's @ 1.3v) so I am assuming that this percentage would be reduced further with the OC.

Cinebench tests gave it a score of around 8350 iirc, I am getting 7950 last time I ran it.

The 5950x (or the chip above it) is a horse of a totally different colour.

eigenboggle · 10-11-2020 6:44am

ForestFire wrote: »

Had the Sabrent M.2 NVME SSD Gen4 500GB on order from amazon UK from earlier today... 115euro

The 1TB version is just gone on deal of the day on amazon DE... 150 Inc shipping. Update:- Also now on UK offer working out at 144euro with free delivery.

Difference is too close to stick now, so UK order canceled and now have 1TB on order from DE :-) Update:- DE canceled... Back to UK offer for 1TB...

The white version is also on offer for 82gbp (m.2-3200/2000 1TB).....would it be stupid to order this as a second file storage drive for photos... Think the 4TB barracuda 3.5 inch sata is about the same price?

1tb Samsung evo and crucial p1 m2 ssds on amazon.de for around €100. And the sabrient q rocket 1tb is on deal of the day for €89 for the next 16 hours.

Also, I'd go with the larger non-ssd for photo storage if I was going with a hard drive. I use cloud storage myself for photos.

Andrew76 · 10-11-2020 9:57am

Two deliveries due today from DPD UK, assuming one of them is the 5600X (think the other is a PSU).

liamog · 10-11-2020 10:21am

Got my queue position mail from Scan for the 5950x, "Your current queue position is 93. We are working hard with our suppliers and partners to get an estimated arrival date, please watch your email for further updates."

yoshiktk · 10-11-2020 10:29am

Hmm tempting
Asus TUF for 199£
It looks that its a plaque at Amazon, friend in Uk got empty box as well.

BloodBath · 10-11-2020 10:35am

Seems to be a lot of theft going on with Amazon orders lately. A mates 5600x was stolen as well.

Maybe if Bezos paid his staff a bit better they wouldn't feel the need to get some "perks" from the job.

SickBoy · 10-11-2020 10:42am

liamog wrote: »

Got my queue position mail from Scan for the 5950x, "Your current queue position is 93. We are working hard with our suppliers and partners to get an estimated arrival date, please watch your email for further updates."

Out of curiousity, what time did you complete the order at?
I'm in 497 for the same CPU and completed checkout at 14:02

GHOST MGG · 10-11-2020 10:45am

liamog wrote: »

Got my queue position mail from Scan for the 5950x, "Your current queue position is 93. We are working hard with our suppliers and partners to get an estimated arrival date, please watch your email for further updates."

69 here ..checkout at 13:58

Samuel T. Cogley · 10-11-2020 10:45am

BloodBath wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of theft going on with Amazon orders lately. A mates 5600x was stolen as well.

Maybe if Bezos paid his staff a bit better they wouldn't feel the need to get some "perks" from the job.

I'm not feeling alot of sympathy* at the moment I can tell you! :pac:

*for the Amazon staff.

liamog · 10-11-2020 10:57am

SickBoy wrote: »

Out of curiousity, what time did you complete the order at?
I'm in 497 for the same CPU and completed checkout at 14:02

I got the confirmation mail at 14:06, so not sure exactly when I finished the checkout. I had the payment go through then it refreshed and asked for my mastercard 2fa code a second time, so it could well be that the first payment was successful and they are basing the time on that. Your order is really early, I'm very surprised you are so far down the queue.

ED E · 10-11-2020 11:03am

yoshiktk wrote: »

Hmm tempting
Asus TUF for 199£
It looks that its a plaque at Amazon, friend in Uk got empty box as well.

BloodBath wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of theft going on with Amazon orders lately. A mates 5600x was stolen as well.

Maybe if Bezos paid his staff a bit better they wouldn't feel the need to get some "perks" from the job.

Thats return fraud most likely. Lots of the data hoarding community getting shafted with bricks instead of MyBooks.

djivide_ · 10-11-2020 11:05am

ED E wrote: »

Thats return fraud most likely. Lots of the data hoarding community getting shafted with bricks instead of MyBooks.

For the MyBooks yeah more then likely but the cpus are not out long enough for them to go out to customers and come back empty ready to go on to the next customer

.G. · 10-11-2020 11:05am

I haven't got any emails from scan about my 5900x status or queue position. Weird.

ahnowbrowncow · 10-11-2020 11:06am

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I'm not feeling alot of sympathy* at the moment I can tell you! :pac:

*for the Amazon staff.

Was it an issue with Amazon that they delivered to a third party when you requested the refund?

Just curious as I'd use parcel motel frequently and don't want to be stung but there may be no need to increase parcel motel's insurance cover amount if Amazon refund regardless.

Samuel T. Cogley · 10-11-2020 11:07am

djivide_ wrote: »

For the MyBooks yeah more then likely but the cpus are not out long enough for them to go out to customers and come back empty ready to go on to the next customer

Mine went out on the 4th November. It was definitely someone at Amazon.

Just kicking myself I went for the 3100 to tide me over, as I'm returning it I should have got a 3950X. :pac:

Samuel T. Cogley · 10-11-2020 11:14am

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Was it an issue with Amazon that they delivered to a third party when you requested the refund?

Just curious as I'd use parcel motel frequently and don't want to be stung but there may be no need to increase parcel motel's insurance cover amount if Amazon refund regardless.

Amazon refunded me with very little hassle, even though it had gone to Parcemotel. I'm pretty sure the girl didn't really understand that I had got the parcel and it was sealed. She just kept saying "as you did not receive it". She said it was sold by a third party so I joined a chat later to find out who the seller was and they confirmed it was, in fact, Amazon.

At this point I lost the run of myself, being the huge manbaby I am and said I wanted the police involved. They started to hint that pushing it further would unravel what had been done over the phone so I left it there.

I hastily spent the giftcard balance (my chosen refund method) but tbh they could easily charge my credit card if they change their minds. I've been a customer for over a decade and have loads of services with Amazon so here's hoping things don't turn sour.

tazzzZ · 10-11-2020 11:18am

434 in the queue! confirmation email at 14.13. 5950x

tazzzZ · 10-11-2020 11:19am

.G. wrote: »

I haven't got any emails from scan about my 5900x status or queue position. Weird.

Queue is far far bigger for the 5900x, id imagine thats why.

JoyPad · 10-11-2020 11:27am

Where is the list for bundles?

.G. · 10-11-2020 12:19pm

tazzzZ wrote: »

Queue is far far bigger for the 5900x, id imagine thats why.

Just got it now. 957th! I'll wait for them to update their expected stock arrival dates before deciding on cancelling it or not. I was checked out some time between 14.05 and 14.10.

liamog · 10-11-2020 12:23pm

Hopefully they give an indication today when the next set of processors are due to arrive.
I believe there are batches due on the 20th and 30th.

BloodBath · 10-11-2020 12:25pm

They should be able to ramp production right up on Zen 3 and RDNA2 now that the console orders have been met.

Andrew76 · 10-11-2020 2:06pm

5600X (and SF600) arrived during lunch. Can relax now it's here.

Samuel T. Cogley · 10-11-2020 2:44pm

Back online with some Quad Core goodness in the 'loan' 3100. Have been using a Celeron G540 with a knackered SSD. The issue with all of this is I've now found a use for the Celeron based machine so have spend stupid amounts (hundred quid or so) upgrading it to Ivy Bridge i5 goodness and 8GB RAM. Also got a 120GB SSD for £15 (Gigabyte).

Overheal · 10-11-2020 3:06pm

ED E wrote: »

Thats return fraud most likely. Lots of the data hoarding community getting shafted with bricks instead of MyBooks.

How do you get return fraud on spanking new releases??

Overheal · 10-11-2020 3:44pm

Hyzepher wrote: »

I found this review very interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7qDudI8Tpo

/gets 2 mins into video

...I JUST bought Windows 10 home last night. I am SO pissed.

Aodhan5000 · 10-11-2020 4:03pm

Overheal wrote: »

/gets 2 mins into video

...I JUST bought Windows 10 home last night. I am SO pissed.

Oh that is a major oof. It's surely been mentioned here before that you can buy the key for Windows dead cheap on like eBay/adverts as well

Edit: Just realized this is Zen thread not off topic so it wouldn't have been said here. Are you able to get a refund on it?

Squidgy Black · 10-11-2020 4:08pm

I just use HWIDGEN, have used it on a couple different builds and never had any issues.

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