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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #1712
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Has anyone a link for how these vaccine trials work? Thought I saw an explanatory youtube link posted earlier but now can't find it.


    It's great news if true, but I'd rather have a better understanding of it before getting my hopes up too much.

    Plus if people expect a vaccine is on the way, they might adhere to restrictions more, so that's also a plus.


  • #1713
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    With this and the Pfizer news - this could be a very encouraging day.

    I hope the minks don't ruin it!


  • #1714
    Treepole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭Treepole


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    I hope the minks don't ruin it!

    They've already said the vaccines should be able to deal with various mutations of the virus.


  • #1715
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,804 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Has anyone a link for how these vaccine trials work? Thought I saw an explanatory youtube link posted earlier but now can't find it.
    It's great news if true, but I'd rather have a better understanding of it before getting my hopes up too much.
    Plus if people expect a vaccine is on the way, they might adhere to restrictions more, so that's also a plus.

    Guardian has a good summary.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-effective-pfizer-biontech

    And there's a dedicated thread on this forum for vaccine in and outs.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115235829

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1716
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,030 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Always_Running wrote: »
    Lowest 7 day positivity rate since October 6th

    It was 7.9% on 17th October, so it’s gone below half that in just under 4 weeks.


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  • #1717
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Treepole wrote: »
    They've already said the vaccines should be able to deal with various mutations of the virus.

    That is good news!


  • #1718
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,058 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Yes, we could easily move to a Level 2 scenario in Q2 2021 with the economy open and unrestricted travel.

    Massive program to vaccinate the over 70s in Q1 and then off we go. Triple advantage - vaccine, improved treatments and spring/summer weather.

    Will this be possible here?


    I really don’t think there will be enough doses available for all >70s in Q1. Every country in the world will be looking for vaccines.


  • #1719
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Initial results of mass testing in Liverpool

    https://twitter.com/mayor_anderson/status/1325834620374487040


  • #1720
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,804 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    fits wrote: »
    I really don’t think there will be enough doses available for all >70s in Q1. Every country in the world will be looking for vaccines.

    EU has secured enough for 100m people in first allocation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1721
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Has anyone a link for how these vaccine trials work? Thought I saw an explanatory youtube link posted earlier but now can't find it.
    In general?

    They first trial it and tweak it on small groups of people to test that it provides some immunity in principle.

    Then they test a larger group to check and see if the vaccine has any immediately apparent side-effects apart from the ones already known about.


    Then they take thousands of people and split them into two groups.

    One group gets the actual vaccine. The other group get a harmless saline injection as a placebo.

    In this instance, there's a second injection. Both groups get that injection, on schedule.

    Usually the people administering the injections don't know whether they're giving a placebo or the actual vaccine. This is known as "double blind" and prevents the patient from being influenced. As far as everyone is concerned, everyone is getting the real deal.

    Patients are sent out into the world and are tested for covid at regular intervals.

    Once enough patients have tested positive and recovered (or died), they gather all the data together to examine the vaccine group -v- the placebo group and how well it worked out.


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  • #1722
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Anyone knows if the per-county swab data is published anywhere? I can't find it on the GeoHive dashboard and I don't think I've ever seen it around the web.


  • #1723
    KrustyUCC
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    Don't think so


  • #1724
    daydorunrun
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    If there was overlap yesterday (542 cases??) then we could be seeing 100s-200s today.

    Excellent- if the numbers continue to drop I can use the new EU traffic light system to bring the kids to Lapland:D

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #1725
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    EU has secured enough for 100m people in first allocation.
    EU population of over-65s is about 90m.

    The Lancet appears to estimate that the full at-risk population is about 31% in Europe. That's around 140m in the EU-27.

    There may have to be some difficult choices in terms of prioritising those over 70/75 and/or with specified underlying conditions.


  • #1726
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    eigrod wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1325819735783694350?s=21

    Late as usual


  • #1727
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    seamus wrote: »
    EU population of over-65s is about 90m.

    The Lancet appears to estimate that the full at-risk population is about 31% in Europe. That's around 140m in the EU-27.

    There may have to be some difficult choices in terms of prioritising those over 70/75 and/or with specified underlying conditions.
    You'd expect them to come down in favour of healthcare workers first if there are limited initial doses. Other groups could be protected or cocooned in that scenario and we know how to do that.


  • #1728
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    seamus wrote: »
    EU population of over-65s is about 90m.

    The Lancet appears to estimate that the full at-risk population is about 31% in Europe. That's around 140m in the EU-27.

    There may have to be some difficult choices in terms of prioritising those over 70/75 and/or with specified underlying conditions.

    We also have to factor in all the people who won't take the vaccine.

    I think all over 70s should be offered it initially and if they don't take it then its on them and we open up.

    We can't let refuseniks hold us back.


  • #1729
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    seamus wrote: »
    EU population of over-65s is about 90m.

    The Lancet appears to estimate that the full at-risk population is about 31% in Europe. That's around 140m in the EU-27.

    There may have to be some difficult choices in terms of prioritising those over 70/75 and/or with specified underlying conditions.

    Will health care workers be prioritised over elderly? I imagine they would be.


  • #1730
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You'd expect them to come down in favour of healthcare workers first if there are limited initial doses. Other groups could be protected or cocooned in that scenario and we know how to do that.

    My anecdotal survey of healthcare workers suggests to me that the take up rate among that cohort may not be higher than the take up rate for the flu vaccine. Also, if the most vulnerable are vaccinated first then the level of exposure for healthcare workers should drop. The UK might have it right.


  • #1731
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1325801006844743682

    Wow that's pretty serious 9 deaths within the last 24 hours, would this be a result of triage, considering the state of NI healthcare at the moment.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #1732
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Will health care workers be prioritised over elderly? I imagine they would be.

    This is the current UK list of prioritisation... I imagine ours will be something similar.
    A provisional ranking of prioritisation for persons at-risk is set out below:

    1. older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers
    2. all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers
    3. all those 75 years of age and over
    4. all those 70 years of age and over
    5. all those 65 years of age and over
    6. high-risk adults under 65 years of age
    7. moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age
    8. all those 60 years of age and over
    9. all those 55 years of age and over
    10. all those 50 years of age and over
    11. rest of the population (priority to be determined)

    The prioritisation could change substantially if the first available vaccines were not considered suitable for, or effective in, older adults.


  • #1733
    igCorcaigh
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    Initial results of mass testing in Liverpool

    https://twitter.com/mayor_anderson/status/1325834620374487040

    Less than 1% of the population infected.

    Amazing to think after all these months how few of the population have been exposed and how many are still vulnerable!


  • #1734
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    1 death, 270 cases reported


  • #1735
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    polesheep wrote: »
    My anecdotal survey of healthcare workers suggests to me that the take up rate among that cohort may not be higher than the take up rate for the flu vaccine. Also, if the most vulnerable are vaccinated first then the level of exposure for healthcare workers should drop. The UK might have it right.
    Think the UK has the highest risk group and healthcare workers together. I agree on flu' uptake but COVID is very different and they might be more likely to go for it.


  • #1736
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Less than 1% of the population infected.

    Amazing to think after all these months how few of the population have been exposed and how many are still vulnerable!

    But that's not an antibody/historical study, it's people currently infected


  • #1737
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    normanoffside wrote: »
    But that's not an antibody/historical study, it's people currently infected

    Oh i see! Thanks for pointing that out. I though it was a serology survey.


  • #1738
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Good figures, it's on the way down definitely


  • #1739
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    1 death, 270 cases reported

    excellent


  • #1740
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Who is the 12 year old giving the update?


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  • #1741
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Good number but Dublin dropping far slower than many counties

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1325852033581244421


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