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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6692
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    nofools wrote: »
    Pulling them out of my arse for the sake of argument...working off the figure i see bandied around here of 99.6% survival rate for my age group.

    That is 4 per 1000 cases

    The long covid thing is a wild guess but probably in that ballpark. Most people recover, some have their lives ended or ruined.

    It puts all the boo hooing about the IMF in a situation that has yet to happen into context.

    I am sure we have a totally different definition of what a ruined life looks like.

    And have you any concerns for other health conditions that you are at greater risk from - yes I understand you can’t spread heart disease or cancer to others, but they kill more people each day than Covid.

    They would kill less people if we threw 23 billion euros at research and treatment.

    Lot of unnecessarily ruined lives by any definition on the way in 2021.


  • #6693
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    dynamice wrote: »
    Browsing the local town facebook page and getting real sick of the virtue signallers.

    "shop local shop local".

    "myself and X had a lovely takeaway from Y" and then X will come in with another comment saying to shop local"

    A bunch of idiots making themselves feel good as if they're saving the world.

    Live and let live, it is positive

    Better than giving it to Amazon.


  • #6694
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    And have you any concerns for other health conditions that you are at greater risk from - yes I understand you can’t spread heart disease or cancer to others, but they kill more people each day than Covid.

    They would kill less people if we threw 23 billion euros at research and treatment.

    Lot of unnecessarily ruined lives by any definition on the way in 2021.

    I agree.


  • #6695
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    end of the road wrote: »
    no the point is you tried to claim that you could tell who is and isn't effected by the restrictions based on their opinions, i showed you that this is not the case and now you are just trying to riggle out of the fact your point has been found to be incorrect.
    your statement above is not a point, because it's generally accepted that a reasonable statement made by an individual about themselves should be taken at face value unless you can disprove it.




    to be fair that is already more or less the case.
    the majority do realise the seriousness of this and are doing their bit, and there is plenty of annoyance for the anti-facts crowd.
    i would agree though that the anti-facts crowd do need to be challenged a hell of a lot more but they have ultimately lost their little battle as the government will never give in to them.



    yes, it is more complicated then printing money, but you would have no understanding for that given you have no understanding of economics from what i can see, given all you do is just post random numbers out of context.
    anyway, the industries you have mentioned were vulnerable to this regardless and would have suffered regardless.
    tourism, entertainment, arts and hospitality are industries that will absolutely recover as the demand for them won't go away, but certainly they will suffer in the short term and there isn't anything we can do apart from insure there are supports available and insure the workers are helped as best we can.
    retail is a little different as that is ripe for a move online for a lot of products, and companies especially big ones have been closing stores here and there for a few years, banking is the same with branch closures here and there and that will grow as online banking increases, just like the arts and co, we need to insure those workers get the supports they need.
    aviationwill also recover but with the growth of online conferencing there will quite likely be a dip in business travel, covid will probably hasten this but it was always coming, just like the changes retail and banking will go through and were always going to go through.

    Shows how we have to fight polarisation of opinion and the them and us thing. Look at the setup in America and the harm that is doing.

    Micky would love for me to be some virtue signalling tosser with an easy secure job, a mansion and a huge garden so he can dismiss my view as invalid. He is of course, like with the other conclusions, totally wrong.


  • #6696
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    No they're basing their figures taking asymptomatic and light symptom cases. You can test as many people as you want but you'll simply never catch every single case of something this contagious. I don't see what you're missing here covid doesn't kill 3% of people who get it. Not in Ireland, Sweden, Niger or any other country you can think of. It's getting tedious now.


    When you are doing 100,000 tests per week on a population of 5M then the results will not be that far off. At most +/- 3% which will make little or no difference on the ratio of deaths to confirmed cases.


    I asked you if those WHO figures were in relation to Ireland or Sweden contradicting either countries health agency`s ratio of deaths to confirmed cases but apparently they are not
    Are they actually in relation to any country do you know ?


    It really is not difficult to calculate any country`s ratio of confirmed cases to deaths.
    Niger you mentioned ratio at present is 5.5%.
    U.K. is 4.2%, That is low because we know the number of confirmed cases but we still do not know what deaths may occur from recent infections.
    Same for France 2.2%. Italy 4% Spain 2.75%. etc.


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  • #6697
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    end of the road wrote: »
    no the point is you tried to claim that you could tell who is and isn't effected by the restrictions based on their opinions, i showed you that this is not the case and now you are just trying to riggle out of the fact your point has been found to be incorrect.
    your statement above is not a point, because it's generally accepted that a reasonable statement made by an individual about themselves should be taken at face value unless you can disprove it.

    Once again more BS from you , maybe you’re finding things hard to understand. My point wasn’t about the above nonsense. Your buddy says he’s not affected. You then come on here saying it must be absolutely true when in reality it’s anecdotal from a random internet poster. Stop twisting things.


  • #6698
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I claimed that current statistics say that. I did not claim that our official record in April had it at that.


    Thanks. Take care yourself.


    Our current statistics only show our current infections from this wave. We do not know what deaths there will be, if any, due to these present infections so there is no way of knowing yet what the ratio of deaths to those confirmed cases will be.


  • #6699
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    dynamice wrote: »
    Browsing the local town facebook page and getting real sick of the virtue signallers.

    "shop local shop local".

    "myself and X had a lovely takeaway from Y" and then X will come in with another comment saying to shop local"

    A bunch of idiots making themselves feel good as if they're saving the world.

    I came across a video on FB of a gang of scumbags beating the sh*te out of each other in Dublin during the week, really nasty fight with a crowbar being used as a weapon too.
    The top comment underneath the video?
    ‘Unbelievable. No social distancing and they’re not even wearing masks. This is why we’re going to be stuck at level 5.’

    No concern shown for the extreme violence or the poor fella getting beaten with a crowbar, no, the only issue that person could see with the whole video was that they weren’t wearing masks and keeping their distance while beating the living crap out of each other.
    People have truly lost their minds.


  • #6700
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    nofools wrote: »
    Shows how we have to fight polarisation of opinion and the them and us thing. Look at the setup in America and the harm that is doing.

    Micky would love for me to be some virtue signalling tosser with an easy secure job, a mansion and a huge garden so he can dismiss my view as invalid. He is of course, like with the other conclusions, totally wrong.


    exactly, i couldn't agree more.
    as i said, it gives people comfort to believe that everyone in the same situation as them agree with them but those in different situations agree with the opposite, but all they are doing is just hurting themselves.
    it's really not healthy to believe that groups of people are a hive mind, it's just not true.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #6701
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,878 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I came across a video on FB of a gang of scumbags beating the sh*te out of each other in Dublin during the week, really nasty fight with a crowbar being used as a weapon too.
    The top comment underneath the video?
    ‘Unbelievable. No social distancing and they’re not even wearing masks. This is why we’re going to be stuck at level 5.’

    No concern shown for the extreme violence or the poor fella getting beaten with a crowbar, no, the only issue that person could see with the whole video was that they weren’t wearing masks and keeping their distance while beating the living crap out of each other.
    People have truly lost their minds.

    I’d imagine it was someone trying to be funny


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  • #6702
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,878 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Our current statistics only show our current infections from this wave. We do not know what deaths there will be, if any, due to these present infections so there is no way of knowing yet what the ratio of deaths to those confirmed cases will be.

    It doesn’t, it shows current infections from those who have been tested.


  • #6703
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    nofools wrote: »

    Micky would love for me to be some virtue signalling tosser with an easy secure job, a mansion and a huge garden so he can dismiss my view as invalid. He is of course, like with the other conclusions, totally wrong.

    So you’re saying you have a mortgage, family and struggling to pay for because covid put you out of a job?


  • #6704
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Cyrus wrote: »
    It’s a waste of time trying to reason with someone who doesn’t see reason.

    If you tested no one that 3 percent could be 100 percent would that make it any more meaningful?

    The 3 and the 6 probably aren’t even comparable.

    And guess what our number of incremental deaths isn’t appreciably higher either so quit it with the loved ones hyperbole .


    It even more difficult to reason with people who wish to ignore the statistics of countries own health agency statistics because it does not suit their mind-set or agenda.

    Calculating the ratio of a country`s ratio of deaths to confirmed cases isn`t rocket science.


  • #6705
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    So you’re saying you have a mortgage, family and struggling to pay for because covid put you out of a job?

    No kids and I rent, income decimated.

    What difference does it make?

    I'll add that I'm not going to cry about it like a little b*tch, but look to the future and adapt and rebuild.

    We all have that capacity unless we are disabled or dead.


  • #6706
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Cyrus wrote: »
    It doesn’t, it shows current infections from those who have been tested.


    It does indeed and from 100,000 tests a week in a country of 5M those figures at most would be out +/-3% in a survey at most. Less in this case because there is no question if they include people lying to those conducting a survey.


  • #6707
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    nofools wrote: »
    No kids and I rent, income decimated.

    What difference does it make?

    It makes a huge difference. I know of families in that awful position. Now i see why you can post your nonsense.


  • #6708
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    It makes a huge difference. I know of families in that position. Now i see why you can post your nonsense.

    Wtf... Now you see? Now you see what?

    What I post is not nonsense, you just think that way because you cannot accept when you are wrong and aren't the best at debating facts.


  • #6709
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    nofools wrote: »
    Wtf... Now you see? Now you see what?

    You don’t have a mortgage and kids, you just rent ffs. I doubt your current situation is bad.


  • #6710
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    You don’t have a mortgage and kids, you just rent ffs. I doubt your current situation is bad.

    You are gift that keeps giving. Thanks Micky, rent needs to be paid somehow or you get evicted.


  • #6711
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    nofools wrote: »
    Wtf... Now you see? Now you see what?

    What I post is not nonsense, you just think that way because you cannot accept when you are wrong and aren't the best at debating facts.

    It’s not about who’s wrong or right. It’s the attitude of your posts. Your opinion only matters. You have zero empathy for others.


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  • #6712
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    It’s not about who’s wrong or right. It’s the attitude of your posts. Your opinion only matters. You have zero empathy for others.

    You are embarrassing yourself.


  • #6713
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    nofools wrote: »
    You are gift that keeps giving. Thanks Micky, rent needs to be paid somehow or you get evicted.

    Give over, you know well evictions are banned during the pandemic.


  • #6714
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Give over, you know well evictions are banned during the pandemic.

    And about arrears...anyway i just set you to ignore.


  • #6715
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    nofools wrote: »
    You are embarrassing yourself.

    Is that the best answer you can come up with? I’m still waiting for the qoute where i said “ i was proud i’m not changing my opinion”. That’s embarrassment and lies right there.


  • #6716
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    nofools wrote: »
    And about arrears...anyway i just set you to ignore.

    Yep just like mortgages.


  • #6717
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,878 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    charlie14 wrote: »
    It even more difficult to reason with people who wish to ignore the statistics of countries own health agency statistics because it does not suit their mind-set or agenda.

    Calculating the ratio of a country`s ratio of deaths to confirmed cases isn`t rocket science.

    No it isn’t rocket science nor is it a particularly useful statistic.

    Do you genuinely believe that 2-3 percent of people who get Covid will die from it?


  • #6718
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Yep just like mortgages.

    Further embrassment for you so when you argue against what you just said.

    What is good for the goose is good for the gander. More protection for home owners anyway.

    Can't find the ignore button on the phone but i won't reply to you anymore, waste of time and effort.


  • #6719
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,878 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    charlie14 wrote: »
    It does indeed and from 100,000 tests a week in a country of 5M those figures at most would be out +/-3% in a survey at most. Less in this case because there is no question if they include people lying to those conducting a survey.

    Why are you referring to surveys ?


  • #6720
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    nofools wrote: »
    Further embrassment for you so when you argue against what you just said.

    .

    Point that out exactly please along with my other request of your claims.


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  • #6721
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Cyrus wrote: »
    No it isn’t rocket science nor is it a particularly useful statistic.

    Do you genuinely believe that 2-3 percent of people who get Covid will die from it?


    Those are the statistics from countries own health authorities. I do not see ant basis to question them. The deaths are real and if they are testing large numbers then their confirmed cases are as close to the positivity figure at any given times as makes no difference.


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