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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6632
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,878 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I`m not "stubbornly" insisting on anything.
    I am simply explaining to you that in Ireland for the first wave our deaths were over 3% for confirmed cases. Not the the 0.1% you claimed.

    For Sweden, the darling of some, it was 6% from their own Public Health Authority figures.
    If you wish to ignore that it`s up to you. It`s not going to change those statistics.

    Do you understand why the 3% is effectively an irrelevant statistic ?


  • #6633
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    Was the unemployment rate ever this high? Also you're ignoring all the emigration, suicides and other suffering other recessions caused to make it sound like some was some easy painless process.

    I'd imagine it was during the Great Depression.
    I'm not ignoring all those things that you didn't mention in your OP. Why would I mention something in response to your post that you didn't make reference to? Also, I didn't make it sound like it was some easy painless process. What I actually did was ask you a question.

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  • #6634
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I said a few weeks ago that I doubted lockdown would work at all and it certainly doesn’t seem to be doing much. Hard to see less than 50 cases in 3 weeks. The will of the people is no longer there.

    Even if cases do eventually drop, they’ll rise again once we reopen.


  • #6635
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I did not claim that it was 0.1% of the confirmed case in our first wave. But again you know that.

    I think I'm done with you.


    You claimed it was 1 in a thousand. That is 0.1%.


    Anyway. Good luck and mind yourself


  • #6636
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I said a few weeks ago that I doubted lockdown would work at all and it certainly doesn’t seem to be doing much. Hard to see less than 50 cases in 3 weeks. The will of the people is no longer there.

    Even if cases do eventually drop, they’ll rise again once we reopen.

    And you seem to be revelling in the idea.



    #Ignore


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  • #6637
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    charlie14 wrote: »
    What are you basing this fall from 3% in Ireland to 0.25% on exactly ?

    The WHO's own statistics. What are you missing here?


  • #6638
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Do you understand why the 3% is effectively an irrelevant statistic ?


    I would regard it as twice as good as 6%, but I would not see it as irrelevant. Even less so for those that lost loved one from that 3% I imagine.


  • #6639
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    And you seem to be revelling in the idea.



    #Ignore

    Literally the opposite of ignoring...


  • #6640
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,595 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    The WHO's own statistics. What are you missing here?


    The percentage I was quoting is for Ireland which this thread is dealing with, and to a lesser extent Sweden.
    What is the WHO percentage for either. Ireland in particular ?

    Are the WHO disagreeing with the statistics from the public health authorities of both countries.


  • #6641
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    charlie14 wrote: »
    The percentage I was quoting is for Ireland which this thread is dealing with, and to a lesser extent Sweden.
    What is the WHO percentage for either. Ireland in particular ?

    Are the WHO disagreeing with the statistics from the public health authorities of both countries.

    No they're basing their figures taking asymptomatic and light symptom cases. You can test as many people as you want but you'll simply never catch every single case of something this contagious. I don't see what you're missing here covid doesn't kill 3% of people who get it. Not in Ireland, Sweden, Niger or any other country you can think of. It's getting tedious now.


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  • #6642
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I know what he is telling and i’m pointing out it’s anecdotal, simple really. You or i don’t really know their circumstances for sure.


    exactly, you don't know what they are and i never claimed that i did know what they are.
    i'm not sure what your point is given we agree.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I said a few weeks ago that I doubted lockdown would work at all and it certainly doesn’t seem to be doing much. Hard to see less than 50 cases in 3 weeks. The will of the people is no longer there.

    Even if cases do eventually drop, they’ll rise again once we reopen.


    mean while back here in the real world, case numbers are going down and support for the measures we are taking is still around the same number according to all of the poles.
    lock down is working, it is a success, everyone is aware cases will rise once it is removed but if all follow the guidelines instead of simply leaving it to the majority, we should keep the rise at a reasonable number.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #6643
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    charlie14 wrote: »
    You claimed it was 1 in a thousand. That is 0.1%.


    Anyway. Good luck and mind yourself

    I claimed that current statistics say that. I did not claim that our official record in April had it at that.


    Thanks. Take care yourself.


  • #6644
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    end of the road wrote: »
    exactly, you don't know what they are and i never claimed that i did know what they are.
    i'm not sure what your point is given we agree.

    .

    The point was you accepted the posters claim as fact rather than anecdotal.


  • #6645
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Current fears for the economy are hysterical. Prove me wrong


  • #6646
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    The point was you accepted the posters claim as fact rather than anecdotal.

    I was talking about someone else that would be an anecdote. I was talking about myself so fairly damn factual.

    You are free to call me a liar all you want. Good man


  • #6647
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    nofools wrote: »
    Current fears for the economy are hysterical. Prove me wrong

    You keep telling yourself whatever you have to. I'm sure the thousands of people employed in hospitality, tourism, transportation etc will be glad to debate you on their hysteria.


  • #6648
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    nofools wrote: »
    I was talking about someone else that would be an anecdote. I was talking about myself so fairly damn factual.

    You are free to call me a liar all you want. Good man

    I’m not calling you a liar. You’re a random internet poster like myself and others so posts on here should be taken as anecdotal. I was kindly reminded of that by the doom and gloom crew when i posted a positive story about covid on the other thread.


  • #6649
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    You keep telling yourself whatever you have to. I'm sure the thousands of people employed in hospitality, tourism, transportation etc will be glad to debate you on their hysteria.

    It is in their interests to end all this as soon as possible.

    I'm sure you agree?


  • #6650
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    nofools wrote: »
    It is in their interests to end all this as soon as possible.

    I'm sure you agree?

    How do they end this as soon as possible?


  • #6651
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    How do they end this as soon as possible?

    More public buy in once it dawns on people that there is no easy route and it is still serious

    Little tolerance for the anti restrictions crowd


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  • #6652
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    nofools wrote: »
    More public buy in once it dawns on people that there is no easy route and it is still serious

    Little tolerance for the anti restrictions crowd

    But I don't see how that's 'ending' anything. Also that's got to be one of the vaguest statements I've ever read in my life


  • #6653
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    nofools wrote: »
    Current fears for the economy are hysterical. Prove me wrong

    20% of the workforce are on PUP payment and trending upwards. Record number of people unemployed.

    Tourism, Hospitality, Retail, Entertainment and Arts industries have been obliterated.

    Ryanair announced 197M loses the other day.

    4 top banks all announcing job losses. These are all in addition to the 20% currently out of work.

    Look at budget 2021, 20 billion deficit!!!
    Lots of business have already gone under or are on life support from the state.

    Imagine when PUP gets cut and everyone goes on welfare... Imagine when banks start repossessing properties of those on payment breaks that still can’t pay..

    It’s unfortunately a little more complicated than printing Monopoly money.


  • #6654
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    nofools wrote: »
    More public buy in once it dawns on people that there is no easy route and it is still serious

    Little tolerance for the anti restrictions crowd

    You are putting out some nonsense man.

    What fkn difference is it going to make what we talk about here in terms of how long this takes? Do you think the 'anti-restriction crowd' is going out there licking door handles and spitting at people once they're done writing their boards posts?

    Not only do you seem to have a covid obsession but you also seem to have an anti restriction crowd obsession, an obsession with critics of authority or something.

    To this day no one ever landed on ignore with me but it looks like I'm going to make an exception.


  • #6655
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    20% of the workforce are on PUP payment and trending upwards. Record number of people unemployed.

    Tourism, Hospitality, Retail, Entertainment and Arts industries have been obliterated.

    Ryanair announced 197M loses the other day.

    4 top banks all announcing job losses. These are all in addition to the 20% currently out of work.

    Look at budget 2021, 20 billion deficit!!!
    Lots of business have already gone under or are on life support from the state.

    Imagine when PUP gets cut and everyone goes on welfare... Imagine when banks start repossessing properties of those on payment breaks that still can’t pay..

    It’s unfortunately a little more complicated than printing Monopoly money.

    Do you reckon you proved him wrong? I'm actually amazed some people can convince themselves the economy isn't ****ed.


  • #6656
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    20% of the workforce are on PUP payment and trending upwards. Record number of people unemployed.

    Tourism, Hospitality, Retail, Entertainment and Arts industries have been obliterated.

    Ryanair announced 197M loses the other day.

    4 top banks all announcing job losses. These are all in addition to the 20% currently out of work.

    Look at budget 2021, 20 billion deficit!!!
    Lots of business have already gone under or are on life support from the state.

    Imagine when PUP gets cut and everyone goes on welfare... Imagine when banks start repossessing properties of those on payment breaks that still can’t pay..

    It’s unfortunately a little more complicated than printing Monopoly money.

    Ok saint jac and tell me the mechanisms that all this will improve if we are to listen to you.

    People are free to fly but the demand isn't there.


  • #6657
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    nofools wrote: »
    Ok saint jac and tell me the mechanisms that all this will improve if we are to listen to you.

    People are free to fly but the demand isn't there.

    You didn't ask what would improve you said people were exaggerating how bad a state the economy was and you were conclusively proved wrong it's fair to say.


  • #6658
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    But I don't see how that's 'ending' anything. Also that's got to be one of the vaguest statements I've ever read in my life

    Proper lock down plus full test and quarantine at borders would have us more or less normal in a few months.

    But we are weak and it is a bitter medicine


  • #6659
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    nofools wrote: »
    Proper lock down plus full test and quarantine at borders would have us more or less normal in a few months.

    But we are weak and it is a bitter medicine

    No it's unfeasible as we share a border with Britain and have to be connected considering our place in the EU. Your medicine is bull****


  • #6660
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,878 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    charlie14 wrote: »
    I would regard it as twice as good as 6%, but I would not see it as irrelevant. Even less so for those that lost loved one from that 3% I imagine.

    It’s a waste of time trying to reason with someone who doesn’t see reason.

    If you tested no one that 3 percent could be 100 percent would that make it any more meaningful?

    The 3 and the 6 probably aren’t even comparable.

    And guess what our number of incremental deaths isn’t appreciably higher either so quit it with the loved ones hyperbole .


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  • #6661
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Destiny Most Pancake wrote: »
    Clearly a WUM

    Why? i am just stating a simple fact.

    Where did the 197M loss come from so?

    People had the choice and 85% said no thanks.

    That is the reality all the ostriches here don't get it.

    It is not as simply as lock up NPHET for life and reopen everything as the most hardcore here seem to want.


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