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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #1502
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Most of Europe seems to have peaked in cases now, hosp/deaths will increase for another week or two but seems like most countries health systems weathered the storm again, just about in the case of France and Belgium though


  • #1503
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Most of Europe seems to have peaked in cases now, hosp/deaths will increase for another week or two but seems like most countries health systems weathered the storm again, just about in the case of France and Belgium though

    No they havent, Still recording positivity rates above 20%. Their own health minsiters admitted the 2nd wave is far worse. Premature to say otherwise


  • #1504
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    wadacrack wrote: »
    No they havent, Still recording positivity rates above 20%. Their own health minsiters admitted the 2nd wave is far worse. Premature to say otherwise

    Just having passed a peak does not mean it's plain sailing! Far from it, probably over a hundred thousand more people in Europe will die of COVID in the next month, but at least the end is somewhat in sight. Czech Rep, Spain, France, Netherlands, Belgium all seeing reduced growth rate of cases and slightly reducing positivity rates.


  • #1505
    Jimson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Jimson


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Just having passed a peak does not mean it's plain sailing! Far from it, probably over a hundred thousand more people in Europe will die of COVID in the next month, but at least the end is somewhat in sight. Czech Rep, Spain, France, Netherlands, Belgium all seeing reduced growth rate of cases and slightly reducing positivity rates.

    I don't see it, we had it down to 50 a day. With schools and the country open back up went to 1500 a day.

    I don't believe what I read about the schools for a second.


  • #1506
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    seamus wrote: »
    The misery mongers will be back when the numbers stabilise, eager to call out out the next peak and to tell us all that things are turning to crap.

    They don't actually care about the state of the infection in Ireland, they just want to be able to say, "I told you so". Note how now that the numbers are going down, all of the calls to close the schools are gone, the people who continually claimed cases would be double in two weeks time, that the hospitals would collapse by the end of October, that we'd be in a worse lockdown come Xmas, all gone.

    Remember this, and you'll be able to easily spot those you should put on ignore. They add no value to the discussion, only tension and trolling.

    Schools are very obviously a factor, no point pretending they are not


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  • #1507
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Most of Europe seems to have peaked in cases now, hosp/deaths will increase for another week or two but seems like most countries health systems weathered the storm again, just about in the case of France and Belgium though

    I don't see it myself, how can you predict the stopping/turning point?


  • #1508
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Most of Europe seems to have peaked in cases now, hosp/deaths will increase for another week or two but seems like most countries health systems weathered the storm again, just about in the case of France and Belgium though

    Based on what exactly. Belgium seems to be turning the tide but it reached a a very high peak. Cases rising exponentially in Italy. Their hospitals are not coping.

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  • #1509
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    holdyerhorses wrote: »
    NPHET will not reccomend reduction in restriciton level, govt will agree, there will be announcements of vaccine or treatment in first week of December if not earlier, and everyone will sacrifice this Xmas with that knowledge. If a or multiple vaccines fail to be effective, then society will end the lockdowns

    No way will we be going into Christmas in level 5. Level 3 at most, and probably a watered down version


  • #1510
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Mass testing might be the way out of this pandemic. Helped control it in China. Slovakia will be an interesting country to follow

    https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/slovakias-second-round-coronavirus-tests-draws-large-crowds


  • #1511
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://twitter.com/Max46023367/status/1325464870557462530

    Appears to be some resistance in parts of Europe to second lockdown. I wonder if might be why Italy is doing particularly poorly now


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  • #1512
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Based on what exactly. Belgium seems to be turning the tide but it reached a a very high peak. Cases rising exponentially in Italy. Their hospitals are not coping.

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    Italy getting worse in death numbers compared to France


  • #1513
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Max46023367/status/1325464870557462530

    Appears to be some resistance in parts of Europe to second lockdown. I wonder if might be why Italy is doing particularly poorly now


    The park one though - you don't have to wear a mask outside in London do you?


  • #1514
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    prunudo wrote: »
    This pandemic has shown up short comings, especially in things that we were made cut during the financial crisis. So called experts from foreign countries telling us how great their models were and how we didn't need x,y, or z all the while with little understandings of the workings of Ireland and how just because something works on continental Europe it won't necessarily be the same in rural Ireland.

    edit...very off topic I know but there's an extreme reluctance to spend any money on the military/army/navy etc here in Ireland. That goes for pay, conditions, equipment...the whole lot. That's generally a good thing (questioning such spending), but we've taken it too far (IMO).
    I don't think it is anything to do with what "experts from foreign countries" want (or wanted when Troika were setting how much we could spend).
    It's purely a feature of Ireland's politics.


  • #1515
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Max46023367/status/1325464870557462530

    Appears to be some resistance in parts of Europe to second lockdown. I wonder if might be why Italy is doing particularly poorly now

    The weakness and stupidity of humanity never fails to surprise me


  • #1516
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    #bringbackpaddy


  • #1517
    holdyerhorses
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 220 ✭✭holdyerhorses


    nofools wrote: »
    The weakness and stupidity of humanity never fails to surprise me

    Weakness? You could argue that both ways, weak to "#staythecourse" (to where?) or weakness on those not comfortable with the mortality and morbidity.

    The route out of a pandemic is either medical intervention or the amount of death a society can stomach (socially, economically, etc), seemingly many Italians have decided they are comfortable with the mortality. There is no right or wrong answer.


  • #1518
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Will miss him.

    Must go listen to some Tool!:pac:


  • #1519
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    fly_agaric wrote: »
    Must go listen to some Tool!:pac:

    Lateralus?


  • #1520
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,472 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Hope the likes of Belgium and Italy peak soon, but there is a lot of area under the curve of the long tail.
    Exponential decay slows down as it goes down and can be quite persistent.


  • #1521
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,238 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Watching an episode of KUWTK :o and Khloe and Kanye tested positive but did one of them recently have a big party gathering
    https://forumofgames.com/




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  • #1522
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Renjit wrote: »
    Lateralus?

    No, song that line put me in mind of was Eulogy (Aenima?). Was being childish...sorry.


  • #1523
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    holdyerhorses wrote: »
    Not sure what that last sentence means really, but if it means that you're having a go at people for not wanting to isolate any further than the 8 months already done, then I'd suggest you have considerable unreasonable expectations.

    This scale of death is minuscule compared to wars, previous pandemics etc. Reasonable societies tolerated them. With no obvious end in sight, if a success medical out for this is not forthcoming in the next couple of months, then its those advocating further waiting and seeing who should be deemed unreasonable.

    You have edited and added a further point... again, you're definition of strength and weakness are arbitrary, and comparisons across jurisdictions and culture are not that valid.

    Are you denying that some have more self control than others in this situation?

    I think of it like a mental escape valve, if you give yourself an excuse you will crack.

    I have heard all the weak excuses but have the strength of mind to not lie to myself and have kept to doing the right thing against my natural impulses.


  • #1524
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Watching an episode of KUWTK :o and Khloe and Kanye tested positive but did one of them recently have a big party gathering

    Had to Google what that was, explains a lot


  • #1525
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,238 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Had to Google what that was, explains a lot

    Does that mean I'm woke :P
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #1526
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    holdyerhorses wrote: »
    Weakness? You could argue that both ways, weak to "#staythecourse" (to where?) or weakness on those not comfortable with the mortality and morbidity.

    The route out of a pandemic is either medical intervention or the amount of death a society can stomach (socially, economically, etc), seemingly many Italians have decided they are comfortable with the mortality. There is no right or wrong answer.

    Easy to be comfortable with someone else's mortality ;)


  • #1527
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Does that mean I'm woke :P

    Sorry I logged in this evening, just looked back a page and paddy is gone, instead we have the kardashiens, poor paddy trying to survive the pandemic, those gang trying to survive till their next plastic surgery, deciding what they will be.


  • #1528
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,238 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Sorry I logged in this evening, just looked back a page and paddy is gone, instead we have the kardashiens, poor paddy trying to survive the pandemic, those gang trying to survive till their next plastic surgery, deciding what they will be.

    I'm sure they had their own special doctors and beauticans on speed dial for home visits
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  • #1529
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,238 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Ten of Swords wrote: »
    Paddygreen do not post in this thread again
    D.Q wrote: »
    End of an era

    What did Paddy do?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #1530
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    What did Paddy do?

    He booked a press conference at a landscaping company instead of a Four Seasons Hotel.


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  • #1531
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    holdyerhorses wrote: »
    Weakness? You could argue that both ways, weak to "#staythecourse" (to where?) or weakness on those not comfortable with the mortality and morbidity.

    The route out of a pandemic is either medical intervention or the amount of death a society can stomach (socially, economically, etc), seemingly many Italians have decided they are comfortable with the mortality. There is no right or wrong answer.

    Lots going on in Italy. It's a veritable basket case at the moment.
    Some on the streets are peaceful: an agonised call for help by restaurateurs or gym-owners. But a mix of far-right and far-left agitators, organised crime groups and bored football hooligans have sensed an opening, looting shops and clashing with police. The interior minister warns of "an autumn of social tension".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54701042


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