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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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  • #4832
    Sky King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    New strain of vaccine has put a vaccine back in its box me thinks.
    .

    What does this even mean?


  • #4833
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    mean gene wrote: »
    that's huge news funny theres no mention of it on rte with their thrash scaremongering agenda;)

    Instead RTE decide to run with the mink story on yesterdays news, no surprises there I suppose.

    Similarly, I see the Irish Times has a nice attention-grabbing (and suffice to say, misleading) headline in the latest vaccine scaremongering article: "A week after the injection, I felt sick".
    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/my-covid-19-vaccine-trial-a-week-after-the-injection-i-felt-sick-1.4401424
    Once you read the article, it turns out that the receipent contracted the common cold. But don't let that facts get in the way of a good headline. Irish journalism leaves a lot to be desired at times.


  • #4834
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    Instead RTE decide to run with the mink story on yesterdays news, no surprises there I suppose.

    Similarly, I see the Irish Times has a nice attention-grabbing (and suffice to say, misleading) headline in the latest vaccine scaremongering article: "A week after the injection, I felt sick".
    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/my-covid-19-vaccine-trial-a-week-after-the-injection-i-felt-sick-1.4401424
    Once you read the article, it turns out that the receipent contracted the common cold. But don't let that facts get in the way of a good headline. Irish journalism leaves a lot to be desired at times.

    I just read that article....unreal title for vaccine related story. It really is misleading, they should be ashamed.


  • #4835
    dalyboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    I remember back in May/June tigers or lions in a German zoo supposedly got covid.

    Why are the danish mink so special as to produce a vaccine threatening “new strain” of covid and not the German tigers/lions. ?


  • #4836
    Marhay70
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    Bird Flu in Limerick now. Anybody else think Mother Nature is really pi**ed of at us about something? :(


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  • #4837
    gw80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭gw80


    dalyboy wrote: »
    I remember back in May/June tigers or lions in a German zoo supposedly got covid.

    Why are the danish mink so special as to produce a vaccine threatening “new strain” of covid and not the German tigers/lions. ?

    I think it's to do with the rate of reproduction, with so many mink living so close together, the virus runs rampant unabated and with so many hosts to run through and so many reproductions it is more likely to throw up mutations than a couple of lions or tigers living in small groups in zoos


  • #4838
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    dalyboy wrote: »
    I remember back in May/June tigers or lions in a German zoo supposedly got covid.

    Why are the danish mink so special as to produce a vaccine threatening “new strain” of covid and not the German tigers/lions. ?

    They are not

    Just packed in tightly, thousands in the one shed and virus jumped from one to another, eventually mutating.

    Can easily happen to other animals

    General consensus among virologists is all animals can catch Covid if viral load is high enough

    That's why they wanted erradifcation when it hit Wuhan


  • #4839
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Sky King wrote: »
    What does this even mean?

    It came from an armchair boards expert. It must be true. We are doomed!


  • #4840
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    New strain of vaccine has put a vaccine back in its box me thinks.

    Funnily enough it seems to only be armchair experts that are saying this.

    Not a single actual expert has mentioned it as a possibility.

    I'll stick my neck out and say that in a few weeks nobody will be talking about this.


  • #4841
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Apparently the mink mutation cases that they're talking about were found in August and September, and none since, so it's unknown if that particular mutation even still exists.


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  • #4842
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    gw80 wrote: »
    I think it's to do with the rate of reproduction, with so many mink living so close together, the virus runs rampant unabated and with so many hosts to run through and so many reproductions it is more likely to throw up mutations than a couple of lions or tigers living in small groups in zoos

    In those conditions there is also no selective pressure on the virus, so all sorts of freak mutants can start propagating and gaining functionality. Serial passage in farmed animals has always been a risk factor with viruses.

    I see the mink cluster sequences are up on Nextstrain now.


  • #4843
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    El Sueño wrote: »
    Apparently the mink mutation cases that they're talking about were found in August and September, and none since, so it's unknown if that particular mutation even still exists.
    Serious? Where did you see this?


  • #4844
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    El Sueño wrote: »
    Apparently the mink mutation cases that they're talking about were found in August and September, and none since, so it's unknown if that particular mutation even still exists.

    That would be great if so. You'd have to wonder why it's coming to light now though if that's the case.

    Not going to lie, the mink think is kind of draining my optimism at the moment.


  • #4845
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Serious? Where did you see this?

    Timeline reported in Danish media, WHO also briefly referred to it. The 12 cases identified as cluster 5 strain are from September, all 12 cases are from North Jutland. Hasn't been reported if theres more since.

    Since June theres been 214 cases linked to mink farms in Denmark.


  • #4846
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Serious? Where did you see this?

    Apologies should've included link

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/11/07/denmark-mink-covid-mutation-northern-region-under-lockdown/6201830002/
    Kaare Moelbak of Statens Serum Institut said the virus variant was registered in August and September, and no mutations have been found since, so it was not known if it still exists


  • #4847
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭Polar101


    That sounds promising, I think. But then why are they culling all the minks, is it just to prevent any further infections?

    Edit: so then this probably wouldn't be affecting any vaccine developments at all?


  • #4848
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    dalyboy wrote: »
    I remember back in May/June tigers or lions in a German zoo supposedly got covid.

    Why are the danish mink so special as to produce a vaccine threatening “new strain” of covid and not the German tigers/lions. ?

    Because there are thousands of them. And similar here.... three big producers in Kerry Laois and Donegal


  • #4849
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    No infections among 56,000 people who traveled abroad after receiving Sinopharm-developed COVID-19 vaccine: developer

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1206008.shtml
    This was the line which jumped out at me:

    "Liu said that there are 99 people in Huawei's Mexico office, and 81 were vaccinated. Ten unvaccinated employees contracted with the virus in an outbreak in this office."


  • #4850
    Marhay70
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Since June theres been 214 cases linked to mink farms in Denmark.

    Is that the same as saying 202 people didn't have the mutated strain? If so and they were exposed to it, it would be interesting to know why not.


  • #4851
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Marhay70 wrote: »
    Bird Flu in Limerick now. Anybody else think Mother Nature is really pi**ed of at us about something? :(

    She must have switched off the news around 3am GMT on Wednesday. :o


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  • #4852
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    El Sueño wrote: »
    Apologies should've included link

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/11/07/denmark-mink-covid-mutation-northern-region-under-lockdown/6201830002/
    Ah jaysus that changes everything.


  • #4853
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Wish they'd come out with some concrete news/plans for roll out soon. Would be nice to get before December


  • #4854
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    GCHQ in the UK are getting involved with tackling anti-vaccination misinformation deliberately spread in an attempt to undermine Western countries. I find you can often spot these accounts on social media because they have a surprisingly strong opinion of fairly obscure topics e.g. Ukraine, but I'm sure some are more subtle. Part of the reason why they are doing it is because "the prospect of a reliable vaccine draws closer".

    https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1325562541024681984


  • #4855
    holdyerhorses
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 220 ✭✭holdyerhorses


    hmmm wrote: »
    GCHQ in the UK are getting involved with tackling anti-vaccination misinformation deliberately spread in an attempt to undermine Western countries. I find you can often spot these accounts on social media because they have a surprisingly strong opinion of fairly obscure topics e.g. Ukraine, but I'm sure some are more subtle.

    https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1325562541024681984

    That's the end of Jim Coors accounts so.

    Not sure I'm so comfortable with this to be honest, rogue states spreading vaccine disinformation is one thing, but there ar some who conflate that with reasonable debate on science, efficacy and safety.


  • #4856
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    holdyerhorses wrote: »
    Not sure I'm so comfortable with this to be honest, rogue states spreading vaccine disinformation is one thing, but there ar some who conflate that with reasonable debate on science, efficacy and safety.
    In the article they talk about how people who might be described as "cranks" are not their concern, they are not here to police what people say. Their targets are fake accounts deliberately created to spread misinformation.


  • #4857
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    hmmm wrote: »
    In the article they talk about how people who might be described as "cranks" are not their concern, they are not here to police what people say. Their targets are fake accounts deliberately created to spread misinformation.

    All you have to do is look on any of the big posts to do with the election. On trumps official account, or some of the posts from the bigger outlets. The exact same inflammatory stuff, word for word, written by all different genuine looking profiles. It's nuts.


  • #4858
    Irish Stones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    so any word when these vaccines get the last green light? i thiught it was in november ?


    I binge watched several TV programs a couple of days ago, all focused on the virus and vaccine subjects.
    The presenter of one of those programs asked a doctor involved in the emergency team why the rollout date for the vaccine keeps moving forward. It was October, then it became November, then the end of the year, and so on.
    His answer was that in time of desperation and grimness, people need some hope, need to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
    Governments' task is to give people some comfort and a bit of hope, so governments keep saying that the vaccine is on the way just to keep people quiet and positive. Truth is, according to this doctor, that no vaccine is near, that no data is available on Phase 3 of studies, so there is no official and sure rollout date yet.
    His words were that it is possible that something might be available late April, and anyway no end of pandemic is possible before beginning 2023.
    Those were his words.


    I've been trying to retrieve the footage on the web, but because I watched many programs all day long, I can't remember what program it was, can't remember the time of the day and maybe I am wrong on the day too (Saturday or Friday?)...


  • #4859
    Irish Stones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    El Sueño wrote: »
    Apparently the mink mutation cases that they're talking about were found in August and September, and none since, so it's unknown if that particular mutation even still exists.


    Cases of mutated strain of the virus have been detected elsewhere in Europe, in Italy too.


  • #4860
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    hmmm wrote: »
    In the article they talk about how people who might be described as "cranks" are not their concern, they are not here to police what people say. Their targets are fake accounts deliberately created to spread misinformation.

    I think they are often one in the same. Obviously the likes of Sargon of Akkad, Computing Forever and Ivor Cummins are not fake but they are clearly reading from the same hymn sheet: "Virus is not that serious, vaccines are bad, lockdowns don't work, end lockdowns, hint at conspiracy behind the virus but don't ever give details, hydroxychloroquine is great"


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  • #4861
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    I binge watched several TV programs a couple of days ago, all focused on the virus and vaccine subjects.
    The presenter of one of those programs asked a doctor involved in the emergency team why the rollout date for the vaccine keeps moving forward. It was October, then it became November, then the end of the year, and so on.
    His answer was that in time of desperation and grimness, people need some hope, need to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
    Governments' task is to give people some comfort and a bit of hope, so governments keep saying that the vaccine is on the way just to keep people quiet and positive. Truth is, according to this doctor, that no vaccine is near, that no data is available on Phase 3 of studies, so there is no official and sure rollout date yet.
    His words were that it is possible that something might be available late April, and anyway no end of pandemic is possible before beginning 2023.
    Those were his words.


    I've been trying to retrieve the footage on the web, but because I watched many programs all day long, I can't remember what program it was, can't remember the time of the day and maybe I am wrong on the day too (Saturday or Friday?)...

    I just don't know where to even start with that so I won't bother with the bulk of it, it'd be a waste of time.

    If I were you I wouldn't binge watch whatever show that doctor is on next because he's talking out his rear end that nothing is near (his thoughts would be more akin for the conspiracy threads)

    Simple research as I've said before will update you on trials. Efficiency data expected quite soon.


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