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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

Mod: The purpose of this thread is baked into the title - COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures - it's not a platform to push an anti vaccination agenda. If posters wish to discuss the perceived cons of vaccinations, or push various theories regarding 'the agenda' (whatever that is supposed to mean), open a thread elsewhere on it.

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dominatinMC

mean gene wrote: »

that's huge news funny theres no mention of it on rte with their thrash scaremongering agenda;)

Instead RTE decide to run with the mink story on yesterdays news, no surprises there I suppose.

Similarly, I see the Irish Times has a nice attention-grabbing (and suffice to say, misleading) headline in the latest vaccine scaremongering article: "A week after the injection, I felt sick".
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/my-covid-19-vaccine-trial-a-week-after-the-injection-i-felt-sick-1.4401424
Once you read the article, it turns out that the receipent contracted the common cold. But don't let that facts get in the way of a good headline. Irish journalism leaves a lot to be desired at times.

Sconsey

dominatinMC wrote: »

Instead RTE decide to run with the mink story on yesterdays news, no surprises there I suppose.

Similarly, I see the Irish Times has a nice attention-grabbing (and suffice to say, misleading) headline in the latest vaccine scaremongering article: "A week after the injection, I felt sick".
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/my-covid-19-vaccine-trial-a-week-after-the-injection-i-felt-sick-1.4401424
Once you read the article, it turns out that the receipent contracted the common cold. But don't let that facts get in the way of a good headline. Irish journalism leaves a lot to be desired at times.

I just read that article....unreal title for vaccine related story. It really is misleading, they should be ashamed.

dalyboy

I remember back in May/June tigers or lions in a German zoo supposedly got covid.

Why are the danish mink so special as to produce a vaccine threatening “new strain” of covid and not the German tigers/lions. ?

Marhay70

Bird Flu in Limerick now. Anybody else think Mother Nature is really pi**ed of at us about something?

gw80

dalyboy wrote: »

I remember back in May/June tigers or lions in a German zoo supposedly got covid.

Why are the danish mink so special as to produce a vaccine threatening “new strain” of covid and not the German tigers/lions. ?

I think it's to do with the rate of reproduction, with so many mink living so close together, the virus runs rampant unabated and with so many hosts to run through and so many reproductions it is more likely to throw up mutations than a couple of lions or tigers living in small groups in zoos

Thierry12

dalyboy wrote: »

I remember back in May/June tigers or lions in a German zoo supposedly got covid.

Why are the danish mink so special as to produce a vaccine threatening “new strain” of covid and not the German tigers/lions. ?

They are not

Just packed in tightly, thousands in the one shed and virus jumped from one to another, eventually mutating.

Can easily happen to other animals

General consensus among virologists is all animals can catch Covid if viral load is high enough

That's why they wanted erradifcation when it hit Wuhan

Micky 32

Sky King wrote: »

What does this even mean?

It came from an armchair boards expert. It must be true. We are doomed!

Deeper Blue

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

New strain of vaccine has put a vaccine back in its box me thinks.

Funnily enough it seems to only be armchair experts that are saying this.

Not a single actual expert has mentioned it as a possibility.

I'll stick my neck out and say that in a few weeks nobody will be talking about this.

Deeper Blue

Apparently the mink mutation cases that they're talking about were found in August and September, and none since, so it's unknown if that particular mutation even still exists.

Hmmzis

gw80 wrote: »

I think it's to do with the rate of reproduction, with so many mink living so close together, the virus runs rampant unabated and with so many hosts to run through and so many reproductions it is more likely to throw up mutations than a couple of lions or tigers living in small groups in zoos

In those conditions there is also no selective pressure on the virus, so all sorts of freak mutants can start propagating and gaining functionality. Serial passage in farmed animals has always been a risk factor with viruses.

I see the mink cluster sequences are up on Nextstrain now.

ACitizenErased

El Sueño wrote: »

Apparently the mink mutation cases that they're talking about were found in August and September, and none since, so it's unknown if that particular mutation even still exists.

Serious? Where did you see this?

Leftwaffe

El Sueño wrote: »

Apparently the mink mutation cases that they're talking about were found in August and September, and none since, so it's unknown if that particular mutation even still exists.

That would be great if so. You'd have to wonder why it's coming to light now though if that's the case.

Not going to lie, the mink think is kind of draining my optimism at the moment.

stephenjmcd

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Serious? Where did you see this?

Timeline reported in Danish media, WHO also briefly referred to it. The 12 cases identified as cluster 5 strain are from September, all 12 cases are from North Jutland. Hasn't been reported if theres more since.

Since June theres been 214 cases linked to mink farms in Denmark.

Deeper Blue

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Serious? Where did you see this?

Apologies should've included link

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/11/07/denmark-mink-covid-mutation-northern-region-under-lockdown/6201830002/

Kaare Moelbak of Statens Serum Institut said the virus variant was registered in August and September, and no mutations have been found since, so it was not known if it still exists

Polar101

That sounds promising, I think. But then why are they culling all the minks, is it just to prevent any further infections?

Edit: so then this probably wouldn't be affecting any vaccine developments at all?

frank8211

dalyboy wrote: »

I remember back in May/June tigers or lions in a German zoo supposedly got covid.

Why are the danish mink so special as to produce a vaccine threatening “new strain” of covid and not the German tigers/lions. ?

Because there are thousands of them. And similar here.... three big producers in Kerry Laois and Donegal

hmmm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

No infections among 56,000 people who traveled abroad after receiving Sinopharm-developed COVID-19 vaccine: developer

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1206008.shtml

This was the line which jumped out at me:

"Liu said that there are 99 people in Huawei's Mexico office, and 81 were vaccinated. Ten unvaccinated employees contracted with the virus in an outbreak in this office."

Marhay70

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Since June theres been 214 cases linked to mink farms in Denmark.

Is that the same as saying 202 people didn't have the mutated strain? If so and they were exposed to it, it would be interesting to know why not.

PopePalpatine

Marhay70 wrote: »

Bird Flu in Limerick now. Anybody else think Mother Nature is really pi**ed of at us about something?

She must have switched off the news around 3am GMT on Wednesday.

ACitizenErased

El Sueño wrote: »

Apologies should've included link

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/11/07/denmark-mink-covid-mutation-northern-region-under-lockdown/6201830002/

Ah jaysus that changes everything.

D.Q

Wish they'd come out with some concrete news/plans for roll out soon. Would be nice to get before December

hmmm

GCHQ in the UK are getting involved with tackling anti-vaccination misinformation deliberately spread in an attempt to undermine Western countries. I find you can often spot these accounts on social media because they have a surprisingly strong opinion of fairly obscure topics e.g. Ukraine, but I'm sure some are more subtle. Part of the reason why they are doing it is because "the prospect of a reliable vaccine draws closer".

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1325562541024681984

holdyerhorses

hmmm wrote: »

GCHQ in the UK are getting involved with tackling anti-vaccination misinformation deliberately spread in an attempt to undermine Western countries. I find you can often spot these accounts on social media because they have a surprisingly strong opinion of fairly obscure topics e.g. Ukraine, but I'm sure some are more subtle.

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1325562541024681984

That's the end of Jim Coors accounts so.

Not sure I'm so comfortable with this to be honest, rogue states spreading vaccine disinformation is one thing, but there ar some who conflate that with reasonable debate on science, efficacy and safety.

hmmm

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Not sure I'm so comfortable with this to be honest, rogue states spreading vaccine disinformation is one thing, but there ar some who conflate that with reasonable debate on science, efficacy and safety.

In the article they talk about how people who might be described as "cranks" are not their concern, they are not here to police what people say. Their targets are fake accounts deliberately created to spread misinformation.

D.Q

hmmm wrote: »

In the article they talk about how people who might be described as "cranks" are not their concern, they are not here to police what people say. Their targets are fake accounts deliberately created to spread misinformation.

All you have to do is look on any of the big posts to do with the election. On trumps official account, or some of the posts from the bigger outlets. The exact same inflammatory stuff, word for word, written by all different genuine looking profiles. It's nuts.

Irish Stones

Dickie10 wrote: »

so any word when these vaccines get the last green light? i thiught it was in november ?

I binge watched several TV programs a couple of days ago, all focused on the virus and vaccine subjects.
The presenter of one of those programs asked a doctor involved in the emergency team why the rollout date for the vaccine keeps moving forward. It was October, then it became November, then the end of the year, and so on.
His answer was that in time of desperation and grimness, people need some hope, need to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
Governments' task is to give people some comfort and a bit of hope, so governments keep saying that the vaccine is on the way just to keep people quiet and positive. Truth is, according to this doctor, that no vaccine is near, that no data is available on Phase 3 of studies, so there is no official and sure rollout date yet.
His words were that it is possible that something might be available late April, and anyway no end of pandemic is possible before beginning 2023.
Those were his words.

I've been trying to retrieve the footage on the web, but because I watched many programs all day long, I can't remember what program it was, can't remember the time of the day and maybe I am wrong on the day too (Saturday or Friday?)...

Irish Stones

El Sueño wrote: »

Apparently the mink mutation cases that they're talking about were found in August and September, and none since, so it's unknown if that particular mutation even still exists.

Cases of mutated strain of the virus have been detected elsewhere in Europe, in Italy too.

snotboogie

hmmm wrote: »

In the article they talk about how people who might be described as "cranks" are not their concern, they are not here to police what people say. Their targets are fake accounts deliberately created to spread misinformation.

I think they are often one in the same. Obviously the likes of Sargon of Akkad, Computing Forever and Ivor Cummins are not fake but they are clearly reading from the same hymn sheet: "Virus is not that serious, vaccines are bad, lockdowns don't work, end lockdowns, hint at conspiracy behind the virus but don't ever give details, hydroxychloroquine is great"

stephenjmcd

Irish Stones wrote: »

I binge watched several TV programs a couple of days ago, all focused on the virus and vaccine subjects.
The presenter of one of those programs asked a doctor involved in the emergency team why the rollout date for the vaccine keeps moving forward. It was October, then it became November, then the end of the year, and so on.
His answer was that in time of desperation and grimness, people need some hope, need to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
Governments' task is to give people some comfort and a bit of hope, so governments keep saying that the vaccine is on the way just to keep people quiet and positive. Truth is, according to this doctor, that no vaccine is near, that no data is available on Phase 3 of studies, so there is no official and sure rollout date yet.
His words were that it is possible that something might be available late April, and anyway no end of pandemic is possible before beginning 2023.
Those were his words.

I've been trying to retrieve the footage on the web, but because I watched many programs all day long, I can't remember what program it was, can't remember the time of the day and maybe I am wrong on the day too (Saturday or Friday?)...

I just don't know where to even start with that so I won't bother with the bulk of it, it'd be a waste of time.

If I were you I wouldn't binge watch whatever show that doctor is on next because he's talking out his rear end that nothing is near (his thoughts would be more akin for the conspiracy threads)

Simple research as I've said before will update you on trials. Efficiency data expected quite soon.

Irish Stones

stephenjmcd wrote: »

If I were you I wouldn't binge watch whatever show that doctor is on next because he's talking out his rear end that nothing is near (his thoughts would be more akin for the conspiracy threads)

I could agree with you that not everything we see on TV is the truth or close to it.

I'm working hard to retrieve that footage, because I want to see who he was exactly.
The program I watched was broadcast by a channel who is nationwide known for its very high reputation of sources and news inquiries. I would trust what comes out of that channel more than anything else around here.

If only I could get hold of that footage, I would understand how reputable that scientist is. I'm browsing the online archive of the channel, no success so far