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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6152
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    nofools wrote: »
    The good father of the church of evidence and objective truth might enjoy the lovely graphs on worldometer.com

    A disciple of the truth will quickly discern that strict measures at a national level appear to correlate with lower death from Covid 19

    May the truth bless your next sermon.


    Correlation is not causation!

    You want graphs?
    Absorb those in this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eJuj0rx-48


  • #6153
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Correlation is not causation!

    You want graphs?
    Absorb those in this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eJuj0rx-48

    "Correlation isn't causation" What are you disputing?

    What is the summary? 65 min video....

    These guys seem to contend it is never going away? Is there any proof?

    "It is ALMOST CERTAIN these are lockdown induced excess deaths"...that is some claim.....strike 1 of 3 for conspiracy theory

    "We know now that lockdown saves next to no lives" Strike 2

    "The lockdown didn't even cause the curve to shimmy" Strike 3 ...tbf they are talking about voluntary behaviour being the factor, same thing in practice..illusory BS

    Total Crap, Youtube Closed


  • #6154
    Sheepdish1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Sheepdish1


    Hi does anyone know will we be able to visit other people’s houses when level 5 lifts? Thank you


  • #6155
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Sheepdish1 wrote: »
    Hi does anyone know will we be able to visit other people’s houses when level 5 lifts? Thank you
    Nothing stopping you visiting peoples homes now. Why wait till the restrictions are lifted.I know loads of people visiting other homes


  • #6156
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    You have no idea how much we are hurting the economy. 200k unemployed and 300k on pandemic payments. The real impacts will be felt next year and the year after. Many companies are on government funded life support - there will be massive layoffs and bankruptcies next year. You will also start to see the large multinationals post poor financial results as business demand decreases and projects/contracts expire. The lag will be felt from Q1 on.
    The 20bn borrowing to keep the lights on cannot last.

    Man early next year is going to be grim. People are in for a rude awakening.


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  • #6157
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    bush wrote: »
    Man early next year is going to be grim. People are in for a rude awakening.

    Everybody will feel the effect, they already are

    PTSB to cut 300 jobs in cost-saving drive
    AIB, Bank of Ireland, Ulster Bank and KBC Ireland also reducing numbers

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/ptsb-to-cut-300-jobs-in-cost-saving-drive-1.4402209

    "We are commencing the programme to reflect changes which are taking place in the economy and in the way which our customers wish to engage with us,” she said."

    That is a beautiful way to say economy is fked, nobody is banking and we are laying off staff.


  • #6158
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    A number of multinational companies told Tánaiste Leo Varadkar they are “very keen” that some staff return to offices as soon as possible.

    Impaired team-work as well as legal and tax issues over staff working remotely from home countries were cited as reasons companies want employees back at their office desks.

    But records of a meeting between Mr Varadkar and 13 major companies including Google, Apple and Pfizer say that the Tánaiste “did not give any comfort on this point”.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/multinational-firms-tell-tanaiste-they-are-very-keen-for-staff-to-return-to-offices-39717163.html

    Pretty amazing huh. Either Google, Apple, Pfizer are granny killers or our govt is completely inept and thinks it knows something that big tech and pharma companies dont.

    Just getting embarrassing at this stage. Leo should have resigned a while back too...

    that in bold I can vouch for. Everybody does work much harder when I am online :pac:


  • #6159
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Everybody will feel the effect, they already are

    PTSB to cut 300 jobs in cost-saving drive
    AIB, Bank of Ireland, Ulster Bank and KBC Ireland also reducing numbers

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/ptsb-to-cut-300-jobs-in-cost-saving-drive-1.4402209

    "We are commencing the programme to reflect changes which are taking place in the economy and in the way which our customers wish to engage with us,” she said."

    That is a beautiful way to say economy is fked, nobody is banking and we are laying off staff.

    Are we an outlier when it comes to our lockdown or are other EU countries implementing something similar. Is Sweden, the anti lockdown poster boy following suit? Finally I note that without exception every single poster who called our lockdown a death policy supported Trump to the hilt and even as he was burning in flames said that he would win. How did that go?


  • #6160
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Everybody will feel the effect, they already are

    PTSB to cut 300 jobs in cost-saving drive
    AIB, Bank of Ireland, Ulster Bank and KBC Ireland also reducing numbers

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/ptsb-to-cut-300-jobs-in-cost-saving-drive-1.4402209

    "We are commencing the programme to reflect changes which are taking place in the economy and in the way which our customers wish to engage with us,” she said."

    That is a beautiful way to say economy is fked, nobody is banking and we are laying off staff.

    It is astounding that people still cannot see this!

    I see more posts on here from last night about just printing more money... referring to recession as just a few quid extra in taxes.


  • #6161
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    And people also seem to think that a recession is fine, shur isn’t every other country going to be in one. And isn’t the money cheap at the moment, it’s all good.

    Christ above we are bolloxed.


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  • #6162
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Are we an outlier when it comes to our lockdown or are other EU countries implementing something similar. Is Sweden, the anti lockdown poster boy following suit? Finally I note that without exception every single poster who called our lockdown a death policy supported Trump to the hilt and even as he was burning in flames said that he would win. How did that go?

    Do you know of another EU country that kept pubs closed for 6 months + and when allowed to re open shut them down within 2 weeks?

    Unless ofcourse this is within your definition of "something similar". and thats just 1 of many, many examples.

    I am not sure why you bring Sweden or Trump into this, unless ofcourse you have very little to say about our biggest banks letting staff go?

    I know right, back in May and June posters like you were telling me "high street was on the way out even before covid" when hundreds of retailers were going into administration. I suppose I am thankful you havent said "banking was on the way out even before covid" :rolleyes:


  • #6163
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Are we an outlier when it comes to our lockdown or are other EU countries implementing something similar. Is Sweden, the anti lockdown poster boy following suit? Finally I note that without exception every single poster who called our lockdown a death policy supported Trump to the hilt and even as he was burning in flames said that he would win. How did that go?

    We are most certainly an outlier.

    Pubs haven’t been open in our capital since March. No other country felt the need to impose such draconian measures for such a long period. It could be a full year or longer before they are allowed open.

    We’ve used every excuse in the book to stay as locked down as possible. The latest one is to save Christmas.


  • #6164
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We are most certainly an outlier.

    Pubs haven’t been open in our capital since March. No other country felt the need to impose such draconian measures for such a long period. It could be a full year or longer before they are allowed open.

    We’ve used every excuse in the book to stay as locked down as possible. The latest one is to save Christmas.

    Go through country by country right now and tell me what lockdown is in place. Use actual evidence to help. All that you have said is about pubs. Jaysus they were empty well before the lockdown.


    Ps we are not an outlier in lockdown compared to every single eu country. Stop lying

    So.me help https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/explainers-53640249


  • #6165
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Are we an outlier when it comes to our lockdown or are other EU countries implementing something similar. Is Sweden, the anti lockdown poster boy following suit? Finally I note that without exception every single poster who called our lockdown a death policy supported Trump to the hilt and even as he was burning in flames said that he would win. How did that go?

    Can you show the evidence for this please?


  • #6166
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    polesheep wrote: »
    Can you show the evidence for this please?

    Every poster who uses the words death policy for lockdown I have found to also be a Trump supporter. I never said anti lockdown was.


  • #6167
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Go through country by country right now and tell me what lockdown is in place. Use actual evidence to help. All that you have said is about pubs. Jaysus they were empty well before the lockdown.


    Ps we are not an outlier in lockdown compared to every single eu country. Stop lying

    Nobody is lying. You just don’t want to face the truth.

    Name a country in Europe that has closed pubs for over half a year?

    Name a country that had a 5KM travel limit in place for several weeks during the summer and again now?

    Most of Europe were back to a level of normal between May and September.

    Look at sporting events. I’ve seen stadiums all over Europe with lots of fans. In Ireland we didn’t want parents to go see their child play GAA.

    The reality is we are a country that imposed the harshest and longest restrictions on its citizens in all of Europe. Our Taoiseach admitted this on live TV as he added to our restrictions.


  • #6168
    dalyboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    polesheep wrote: »
    Can you show the evidence for this please?

    Lockdown supporters don’t need “evidence”.
    Confirmation bias is so much easier to apply as proof.


  • #6169
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nobody is lying. You just don’t want to face the truth.

    Name a country in Europe that has closed pubs for over half a year?

    Name a country that had a 5KM travel limit in place for several weeks during the summer and again now?

    Most of Europe were back to a level of normal between May and September.

    Look at sporting events. I’ve seen stadiums all over Europe with lots of fans. In Ireland we didn’t want parents to go see their child play GAA.

    The reality is we are a country that imposed the harshest and longest restrictions on its citizens in all of Europe. Our Taoiseach admitted this on live TV as he added to our restrictions.

    What stadium have lots of fans

    Again what are other eu countries currently doing
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/explainers-53640249


  • #6170
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    joeguevara wrote: »
    What stadium have lots of fans

    Again what are other eu countries currently doing
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/explainers-53640249

    54906003_303.jpeg


  • #6171
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    joeguevara wrote: »
    What stadium have lots of fans

    Again what are other eu countries currently doing
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/explainers-53640249
    He's not talking about currently. We have had the harshest restrictions in Europe from March to present. You can twist it whatever way you want but this is an undeniable fact.


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  • #6172
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    GazzaL wrote: »
    54906003_303.jpeg

    https://www.thelocal.de/20201102/latest-germany-enters-month-long-partial-lockdown


  • #6173
    acequion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,987 ✭✭✭acequion


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nobody is lying. You just don’t want to face the truth.

    Name a country in Europe that has closed pubs for over half a year?

    Name a country that had a 5KM travel limit in place for several weeks during the summer and again now?

    Most of Europe were back to a level of normal between May and September.

    Look at sporting events. I’ve seen stadiums all over Europe with lots of fans. In Ireland we didn’t want parents to go see their child play GAA.

    The reality is we are a country that imposed the harshest and longest restrictions on its citizens in all of Europe. Our Taoiseach admitted this on live TV as he added to our restrictions.

    And let's add the international travel restrictions. Not one other country was as restrictive this summer, not one other country was imposing unpaid leave on workers returning from abroad. Just look at the state of our aviation industry as a result, not to mention the plight of the regional airports!

    If there is one thing worse than draconian restrictions, it's restriction deniers. It's like telling a person who's very sick that it's all in their head.


  • #6174
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Lundstram wrote: »
    He's not talking about currently. We have had the harshest restrictions in Europe from March to present. You can twist it whatever way you want but this is an undeniable fact.

    This thread is discussing current restrictions. Every eu country is in similar or harsher restrictions and as I said we are not an outlier. You are twisting the past. Next you will be telling me that who said mSks are useless because of what they said in March.


  • #6175
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    acequion wrote: »
    And let's add the international travel restrictions. Not one other country was as restrictive this summer, not one other country was imposing unpaid leave on workers returning from abroad. Just look at the state of our aviation industry as a result, not to mention the plight of the regional airports!

    If there is one thing worse than draconian restrictions, it's restriction deniers. It's like telling a person who's very sick that it's all in their head.

    Bs. Us stopped all travel from Europe. Stop taking lies.


  • #6176
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    joeguevara wrote: »
    What stadium have lots of fans

    Again what are other eu countries currently doing
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/explainers-53640249

    It doesn’t matter what other countries are currently doing. They were all open for the most part between May and present.

    And they will likely open again at the end of their lockdowns. Whereas Ireland will find more excuses to remain strictly locked down or with heavy restrictions.

    Even our Taoiseach and Tánaiste have admitted this....


  • #6177
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It doesn’t matter what other countries are currently doing. They were all open for the most part between May and present.

    And they will likely open again at the end of their lockdowns. Whereas Ireland will find more excuses to remain strictly locked down or with heavy restrictions.

    Even our Taoiseach and Tánaiste have admitted this....

    OK let me know if this is your point

    Its irrelevant if other countries have decided to lockdown, if we lockdown now we are wrong.

    Without any clue you have decided that every other country will lift the lockdown that is irrelevant but have decided that we will not.

    And finally without any evidence you say that taoiseach and tanaiste are wrong for outlining what every other eu leader says.

    Got it.


  • #6178
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,005 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    joeguevara wrote: »
    What stadium have lots of fans

    Again what are other eu countries currently doing
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/explainers-53640249

    I’m watching Australia v NZ here in the Tri Nations at a packed Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane! Plenty of soccer games in Europe also have limited numbers of fans allowed! Even Ulster Rugby had 500 at a game a week or two ago in Belfast


  • #6179
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    I’m watching Australia v NZ here in the Tri Nations at a packed Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane! Plenty of soccer games in Europe also have limited numbers of fans allowed! Even Ulster Rugby had 500 at a game a week or two ago in Belfast

    Suncorp is at 75% capacity in a country that has no interactional travel.

    Football across Europe has no fans and as for Belfast one of the worst death rates in the world


  • #6180
    haskellgeek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭haskellgeek


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Suncorp is at 75% capacity in a country that has no interactional travel.

    Football across Europe has no fans and as for Belfast one of the worst death rates in the world

    The point is at the moment they don't but they tried it when we didn't, the rest of Europe, and they are trying different approaches whole we don't


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  • #6181
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    joeguevara wrote: »
    OK let me know if this is your point

    Its irrelevant if other countries have decided to lockdown, if we lockdown now we are wrong.

    Without any clue you have decided that every other country will lift the lockdown that is irrelevant but have decided that we will not.

    And finally without any evidence you say that taoiseach and tanaiste are wrong for outlining what every other eu leader says.

    Got it.

    Lockdown is never the correct option. We have only 37 in ICU in a country of 5M.

    We’ve had months now to get contact tracing up to speed and we failed.

    We’ve had months to set up proper quarantine areas, increase ICU capacity etc.

    We don’t bother with that though. Easier to just borrow billions and put 20% of the workforce out of work, then blame pubs that are closed and house parties for cases...

    We are paying billions to do nothing and we’ll be the ones asked to pay the bill.


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