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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #6122
    Birdie Num Num
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    GazzaL wrote: »
    I know many 70+ year olds that have worked almost every day throughout the pandemic. All different jobs. Many of them are routinely dealing with the public. They've survived 70+ years on this planet without some ****ing fascist ***** in Dublin trying to infantilise them. They're still living life, albeit a worse quality of life because they can't go out for a meal or a show or the cinema or a game of golf or the pub for a quiet drink after a hard week at work. **** Tony and **** NPHET. If some people still want to #STAYTHE****HOME then they should #STAYTHE****HOME and let the rest of us get on with life.

    Unfortunately you don’t have to stray too far from this thread to find ageist, fascists.


  • #6123
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    When are the in house experts going to look at what is happening around Europe and concede that they are wrong about absolutely everything?

    Also noted from the terrorist threads some extremely compromised and opposing principles...3 innocent lives are 3 innocent lives regardless of the mode of death but some treat the issues in opposite direction in their little biased minds. You want extreme response to your favourite hate group but can't control yourself for the greater good (or even shut up about it).


  • #6124
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Prime Time....what a car crash. Miriam is more concerned about Varadkar's interview than the major issues at hand. Killeen, Zero Covid please at any cost. They cannot wait to peddle Lockdown, Gardaí powers...This is not the way to live with Covid. This is a way to live in fear and hysteria. No other country in Europe is doing this, we need to get real about what we are proposing if level 5 is on the table. Economic and social catastrophe, plus not enough money to fund our Health service through a pandemic.

    Have you seen the number of deaths around Europe this week.........

    An appropriate level of fear is needed.


  • #6125
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,559 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Heard from a girl in london that the last few days before lockdown there were like around normal xmas, we havent had that since xmas last year! And im telling you, the pubs wont even be worth going to at xmas , no mingling, drinkig at bar, leave after 1.5 hours. Lol!


  • #6126
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    uli84 wrote: »
    58 deaths in Poland today and weddings of 100 people are allowed,1 death in here -25 people are allowed and to make people’s life harder

    HEALTH MINISTER STEPHEN Donnelly has said that couples who were due to get married this week will not receive any grace period to amend their plans

    Miserable f*cks, It’s astounding how much crap can people in this country accept/tolerate really

    Proves our approach is better (marginally).

    The absence of 57 deaths is not crap


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  • #6127
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,559 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    nofools wrote: »
    Proves our approach is better (marginally).

    The absence of 57 deaths is not crap

    57 covid deaths. How many unknown deaths caused by covid? Suicide, missed cancer screening and treatments etc?


  • #6128
    Don't Chute!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    nofools wrote: »
    When are the in house experts going to look at what is happening around Europe and concede that they are wrong about absolutely everything?

    Also noted from the terrorist threads some extremely compromised and opposing principles...3 innocent lives are 3 innocent lives regardless of the mode of death but some treat the issues in opposite direction in their little biased minds. You want extreme response to your favourite hate group but can't control yourself for the greater good (or even shut up about it).

    Ironic username.


  • #6129
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    57 covid deaths. How many unknown deaths caused by covid? Suicide, missed cancer screening and treatments etc?

    The ramblings of the self deluded, show me the numbers.

    Further missed cancer screening are a by product of what the anti restrictions no mask cheerleader crew want. You do realise that right?

    Longer it goes on......the worse all those things you care so much about go on.

    Which brings me to my next point about this scummy moral equivalence thing that goes on here.

    Compassion for suicide deaths, lost businesses, the sad and the bored but not covid deaths or their families.


  • #6130
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,456 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    The far more worrying concern is how Micheal (Leo has other things to worry him this week!) is quite happy for Holohan to continue giving interviews and making policy statements on this issue.

    Who's in charge here? It's not the Government.

    We have been in a medical dictatorship for quite some time.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #6131
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    JRant wrote: »
    The basics of science?
    You mean the scientific method, whereby results must be repeatable and falsifiable.

    Show me just one peer reviewed study that shows quarantining an entire healthy population for a virus with an IFR of 0.2/0.05% makes good scientific sense?

    As an aside, I would suggest the good Dr Nolan sticks to the lab and leaves statistical modelling to people who actually know what they are doing. His "models" have been orders of magnitude wrong since the beginning. So wrong, in fact, that he is some man to even keep a straight face when referencing them.

    Let's turn it around...we are hurting the economy temporarily to prevent a pandemic from deepening, if you were doing the modelling and cost benefit analysis what is your number for daily acceptable deaths and daily new cases to support the economy at the expense of health?

    (By controlling it, we are limiting deeper economic damage btw)


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  • #6132
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    We have been in a medical dictatorship for quite some time.

    Someone has been radicalised.


  • #6133
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    uli84 wrote: »
    58 deaths in Poland today and weddings of 100 people are allowed,1 death in here -25 people are allowed and to make people’s life harder

    HEALTH MINISTER STEPHEN Donnelly has said that couples who were due to get married this week will not receive any grace period to amend their plans

    Miserable f*cks, It’s astounding how much crap can people in this country accept/tolerate really

    And they had 445 deaths today and a 7 day average of over 21000 for new cases with 1703 people critically ill.

    So it looks like our actions are more sound than theirs.


  • #6134
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,456 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    nofools wrote: »
    Let's turn it around...we are hurting the economy temporarily to prevent a pandemic from deepening, if you were doing the modelling and cost benefit analysis what is your number for daily acceptable deaths and daily new cases to support the economy at the expense of health?

    (By controlling it, we are limiting deeper economic damage btw)

    You have no idea how much we are hurting the economy. 200k unemployed and 300k on pandemic payments. The real impacts will be felt next year and the year after. Many companies are on government funded life support - there will be massive layoffs and bankruptcies next year. You will also start to see the large multinationals post poor financial results as business demand decreases and projects/contracts expire. The lag will be felt from Q1 on.
    The 20bn borrowing to keep the lights on cannot last.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #6135
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    You have no idea how much we are hurting the economy. 200k unemployed and 300k on pandemic payments. The real impacts will be felt next year and the year after. Many companies are on government funded life support - there will be massive layoffs and bankruptcies next year. The 20bn borrowing to keep the lights on cannot last.

    I don't believe it to be the existential treat that you have talked yourself into. Money can be printed. The people here talk about a few quid in tax being the be all and end all of everything while I know many of you are quite comfortable already and just being whingebags by nature.

    Things change and things can recover.

    Capitalism is based on a life cycle for businesses, survival of the fittest, for the 15 years I have been in Dublin I can only think of two restaurants that stood the test of time.

    We shouldnt cry (too much) for businesses and any good business person can do it again if they need to.

    Get over it and adapt is what we all have to do.


  • #6136
    uli84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭uli84


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    And they had 445 deaths today and a 7 day average of over 21000 for new cases with 1703 people critically ill.

    So it looks like actions are more sound than theirs.

    I’d say this is more due to the protests against anti abortion laws passed where people gathered in thousands In nearly every city.


  • #6137
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    And they had 445 deaths today and a 7 day average of over 21000 for new cases with 1703 people critically ill.

    So it looks like actions are more sound than theirs.

    In keeping with my point that the people talking anti lockdown crap need to accept they are totally wrong in all their past predictions.


  • #6138
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    nofools wrote: »
    I don't believe it to be the existential treat that you have talked yourself into. Money can be printed. The people here talk about a few quid in tax being the be all and end all of everything while I know many of you are quite comfortable already and just being whingebags by nature.

    Things change and things can recover.

    Capitalism is based on a life cycle for businesses, survival of the fittest, for the 15 years I have been in Dublin I can only think of two restaurants that stood the test of time.

    We shouldnt cry (too much) for businesses and any good business person can do it again if they need to.

    Get over it and adapt.

    "Survival of the fittest." Grand so, let it rip.


  • #6139
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    You have no idea how much we are hurting the economy. 200k unemployed and 300k on pandemic payments. The real impacts will be felt next year and the year after. Many companies are on government funded life support - there will be massive layoffs and bankruptcies next year. You will also start to see the large multinationals post poor financial results as business demand decreases and projects/contracts expire. The lag will be felt from Q1 on.
    The 20bn borrowing to keep the lights on cannot last.

    But you are right to a point. If you care about these things, do the right thing and act to make covid go away before this problem gets deeper.


  • #6140
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    The Body and Soul festival is held near me every year at Ballinlough, Westmeath. Heard today its cancelled, thought it was very early to be pulled, its mid June 2021. Was it ever realistic to think it would go ahead? I suppose EP is next so to go. Probabaly ticket sales is factor.


  • #6141
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,559 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    nofools wrote: »
    The ramblings of the self deluded, show me the numbers.

    Further missed cancer screening are a by product of what the anti restrictions no mask cheerleader crew want. You do realise that right?

    Longer it goes on......the worse all those things you care so much about go on.

    Which brings me to my next point about this scummy moral equivalence thing that goes on here.

    Compassion for suicide deaths, lost businesses, the sad and the bored but not covid deaths or their families.

    the world hasnt stopped due to exponentially more daily deaths from other causes, including many deaths from other versios of the flu :rolleyes:


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  • #6142
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    the world hasnt stopped due to exponentially more daily deaths from other causes, including many deaths from other versios of the flu :rolleyes:

    Well if the world hasn't stopped why are you complaining about it 24/7?


  • #6143
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    i think RTE are actually begining to tire of covid 19 finally, the US preseditial election has bumped coovid off news headlines this week, and you can nearly see the strain on Prime Time and 6 one when they have to back to covering Covid again in mid show, finally it seems they have drained everything they can out of it and will kick it to the kerb now soon. Media like new news all the time, statements from Hoolahon et al. like "the next 10 days are critical" are played out now, thats a mantra repeated every 3 weeks. We need to get the curve flattened , need to suppress the virus. RTE prob desperate for something new but not getting it, they will probabaly do a full 360 now and start attacking the restrictions with venom to get a bit of agitation going on the streets to give them some fresh news.


  • #6144
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,005 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    i think RTE are actually begining to tire of covid 19 finally, the US preseditial election has bumped coovid off news headlines this week, and you can nearly see the strain on Prime Time and 6 one when they have to back to covering Covid again in mid show, finally it seems they have drained everything they can out of it and will kick it to the kerb now soon. Media like new news all the time, statements from Hoolahon et al. like "the next 10 days are critical" are played out now, thats a mantra repeated every 3 weeks. We need to get the curve flattened , need to suppress the virus. RTE prob desperate for something new but not getting it, they will probabaly do a full 360 now and start attacking the restrictions with venom to get a bit of agitation going on the streets to give them some fresh news.

    This is actually a good point. If ever there was a chance to swiftly change tact, it’s during the few days break we’re getting because of the US Election.

    It won’t happen because RTE are beholden to their paymasters, but the opportunity is now available!


  • #6145
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    nofools wrote: »
    I don't believe it to be the existential treat that you have talked yourself into. Money can be printed.

    You don't just print more money without it becoming devalued. Do you want Venezuela's Bolivar to be more valued [and really Monopoly money is more valued than the Bolivar at the moment] than the Euro?


  • #6146
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    This is actually a good point. If ever there was a chance to swiftly change tact, it’s during the few days break we’re getting because of the US Election.

    It won’t happen because RTE are beholden to their paymasters, but the opportunity is now available!

    Or how about we all change our minds a bit, chill out and work together. The polarising debate is a big distraction and leads to unrealistic extreme opinions.

    The people saying it is just a flu know it is quite a bit more than that in their hearts and souls but have to keep up appearances, in for a penny in for a pound.

    We should be a bit better, open our eyes and listen, the info out there and situation is changing all the time and no one has all the answers.


  • #6147
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    You don't just print more money without it becoming devalued. Do you want Venezuela's Bolivar to be more valued [and really Monopoly money is more valued than the Bolivar at the moment] than the Euro?

    Look there is nothing ideal about any of this I agree but I also think you are exaggerating a tad with the Venezuela comparison.


  • #6148
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    You don't just print more money without it becoming devalued. Do you want Venezuela's Bolivar to be more valued [and really Monopoly money is more valued than the Bolivar at the moment] than the Euro?

    Personally I am more concerned about how much trouble we are in if we get hit a lot harder and have a very hard time getting out of it whenever that is before businesses do go to the wall wholesale. The places that were badly hit in the first wave are seeing bad second waves. Relatively we are in an okish place.

    Both our economic fears are about equally valid without a crystal ball? Is that fair?


  • #6149
    FrStone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭FrStone


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I am no spoofer, but I can't stop anyone anonymously thinking I am.

    The restrictions are there to allow some sort of a Christmas and to keep the hospitals from being overrun.

    But this forum is full of over reacting people anyway (some sound under 18 a lot under 18) and one enters with trepidation lol!

    Bye now. And thanks for the po faced lecture.

    Well generally people back up their claims with fact.

    Obviously, your opinion will be disregarded if you decide to just make stuff up.


  • #6150
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    FrStone wrote: »
    Well generally people back up their claims with fact.

    Obviously, your opinion will be disregarded if you decide to just make stuff up.

    The good father of the church of evidence and objective truth might enjoy the lovely graphs on worldometer.com

    A disciple of the truth will quickly discern that strict measures at a national level appear to correlate with lower death from Covid 19

    May the truth bless your next sermon.


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  • #6151
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,362 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    The 'medical advice' going around feels akin to what you'd hear from a public mental health doctor 'take these anti depressants you'll be grand and come back to me in a few weeks' etc

    I suffer from a mental health issue but due to this ****show can't get an assessment in person. No way will I take any medication that seems to be the get out of jail free card


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