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    #482
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are people now slaughtering pets for profit ?




    Is it alright to do it if there is no profit in it?


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    #483
    [Deleted User]
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    Ridicule away guys.

    You’re the ones struggling to understand a basic concept.


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    #484
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What is your position on the matter ?

    What has it got to do with vegan choices ?

    Are people now slaughtering pets for profit ?

    Are you trying to equate people who believe in animal rights and vegans?
    As auspicious stated animal rights is the belief that all animals should be free from human control. All animals includes pets


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    #485
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not sure if you’re missing the point on purpose.

    It’s imprisoned in a tortuous cycle to provide milk to humans and money to its ‘owner’. It’s a slave.




    You can check daft.ie for farmland. If you buy that farmland, then you can do what you like with it. It will also take it out of the hands of these evil farmers. Once you have it, you can populate it with all the happy animals that you would like.


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    #486
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Jjameson wrote: »
    Is that nonsense from your cult handbook or what?

    Nope. They are the general definitions.
    It's unsettling an animal farmer does not know these.


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    #487
    auspicious
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    Gary kk wrote: »
    That's twisted.

    So a life of exploitation and suffering is worth living?


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    #488
    thecomedian
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    auspicious wrote: »
    That's fine by me.
    A life under constant oppression and exploitation is not worth living without the hope of escape.
    edit: and suffering

    Really this is priceless.
    You want to save the cows but your are happy to see them all die out!

    The mind boggles at some of the post on here at times.


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    #489
    [Deleted User]
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    Donald Trump wrote: »
    You can check daft.ie for farmland. If you buy that farmland, then you can do what you like with it. It will also take it out of the hands of these evil farmers. Once you have it, you can populate it with all the happy animals that you would like.

    Do you really think all farmers are evil ?

    I think it would be easier if people just stopped consuming animal products.

    That would prevent all the current cruelty.


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    #490
    [Deleted User]
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    thecomedian wrote: »
    Really this is priceless.
    You want to save the cows but your are happy to see them all die out!

    The mind boggles at some of the post on here at times.

    Are you worried about all the things that don’t exist ?


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    #491
    thecomedian
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    Donald Trump wrote: »
    You can check daft.ie for farmland. If you buy that farmland, then you can do what you like with it. It will also take it out of the hands of these evil farmers. Once you have it, you can populate it with all the happy animals that you would like.

    And once they do that, they can look after them.
    Feed them, house them in the winter. Probably calf them.
    Realise after a few years that they have too many cows for the size of land and then compassionately cull some lol


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    #492
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    thecomedian wrote: »
    And once they do that, they can look after them.
    Feed them, house them in the winter. Probably calf them.
    Realise after a few years that they have too many cows for the size of land and then compassionately cull some lol




    Wait til the regulations and paperwork and inspections hit them and they'll know all about it.


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    #493
    Jjameson
    Registered Users Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Jjameson


    auspicious wrote: »
    Nope. They are the general definitions.
    It's unsettling an animal farmer does not know these.

    General definitions? In what realm outside your bubble of vegan Ian would these terms be general?


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    #494
    thecomedian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Are you worried about all the things that don’t exist ?

    But they do exist.
    Why do you want to kill all the cows?


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    #495
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    auspicious wrote: »
    So a life of exploitation and suffering is worth living?


    You might missed my post about pets. I'm interested to hear your viewpoint on that.



    Especially cats - on whether you would allow housecats, or feral cats, or both.


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    #496
    thecomedian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    auspicious wrote: »
    So a life of exploitation and suffering is worth living?

    Lies


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    #497
    Gary kk
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    auspicious wrote: »
    So a life of exploitation and suffering is worth living?

    Don't know really, I would assume some life is better than none. The cows aren't suffering they are out chewing the curd now. Happy out I would say tbh.


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    #498
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Yet your signature has a message promoting dogs as pets.................




    What about cats? I'm interested in your view on cats. Should people keep cats as pets?

    Nope. It does not promote pet ownership. It promotes a solution to the problem of neglect and abandonment and crowded shelters which continual shopping causes by creating a demand which causes more and more to be bred.
    Rescue cats. Massive feral population in Ireland. Tend to their needs and neuter as many as possible to solve the problem. Many get sick and and they have a detrimental impact on native biodiversity. People need to care more.


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    #499
    [Deleted User]
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    thecomedian wrote: »
    But they do exist.
    Why do you want to kill all the cows?

    I don’t.

    Are you failing to understand a basic philosophical question ?

    Or are you pretending that you don’t understand my question ?

    If it’s the latter then why are you bothering posting ?


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    #500
    auspicious
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    thecomedian wrote: »
    Really this is priceless.
    You want to save the cows but your are happy to see them all die out!

    The mind boggles at some of the post on here at times.

    The weird selectively bred cows that wouldn't exist in nature if it wasn't for us?


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    #501
    thecomedian
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I don’t.

    Are you failing to understand a basic philosophical question ?

    Or are you pretending that you don’t understand my question ?

    If it’s the latter then why are you bothering posting ?

    What are you on about now?
    I answered your question. Your question is only relevant if they didn’t exist, but they do.


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    #502
    Jjameson
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    auspicious wrote: »
    Nope. It does not promote pet ownership. It promotes a solution to the problem of neglect and abandonment and crowded shelters which continual shopping causes by creating a demand which causes more and more to be bred.
    Rescue cats. Massive feral population in Ireland. Tend to their needs and neuter as many as possible to solve the problem. Many get sick and and they have a detrimental impact on native biodiversity. People need to care more.

    Tend to their needs with plant food?


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    #503
    thecomedian
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    auspicious wrote: »
    The weird selectively bred cows that wouldn't exist in nature if it wasn't for us?

    Some are, some are not.
    But you want all of them to die out.


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    #504
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Jjameson wrote: »
    Tend to their needs with plant food?

    Not cats imo. With dogs it's grand though you have to start them young on it. Look it up.


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    #505
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    thecomedian wrote: »
    Some are, some are not.
    But you want all of them to die out.

    They are not dying out now are they. The don't live out their 'happy' lives chewing the cud. They are killed for profit.


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    #506
    thecomedian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    auspicious wrote: »
    Not cats imo. With dogs it's grand though you have to start them young on it. Look it up.

    But you can’t keep them as pets, according to you.
    So how do you start them young without holding them captive


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    #507
    Jjameson
    Registered Users Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Jjameson


    auspicious wrote: »
    Not cats imo. With dogs it's grand though you have to start them young on it. Look it up.

    So what are you going to feed all the cats and older dogs on?


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    #508
    onrail
    Registered Users Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭onrail


    Just stumbled on this thread. Full disclosure, I come from a farming background, but moved away years ago.

    Just my opinion - on balance, Irish dairy cows have a bloody brilliant life. They are out in fresh pasture in the good weather, protected from the elements in poor weather, fed and watered to their heart's content.

    It's not all positive obviously - the separation of calves from their mothers is a very obvious drawback, but all seems to be forgotten in a week or two. Having observed Dairy cows Vs Sucklers (who keep their calves to about nine months), do I think the sucklers and calves are more content? Not obviously.

    The 'imprisonment' argument is fairly weak imo. Far better than the rest of us who are chained to our laptops and desks for 40 years in the hope of a brief retirement when your body is wrecked!


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    #509
    thecomedian
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    auspicious wrote: »
    They are not dying out now are they. The don't live out their 'happy' lives chewing the cud. They are killed for profit.

    You’re right they are not dieing out now because farmers look after them and care for them.
    And a lot do live out their lives chewing their cud. Happy out!


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    #510
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    thecomedian wrote: »
    But you can’t keep them as pets, according to you.
    So how do you start them young without holding them captive

    According to me? I can't remember saying that.
    Though I would object to the term pets. Pets are used for pleasure. I think the term guardian is more suitable to rescued animals.


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    #511
    thecomedian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    auspicious wrote: »
    According to me? I can't remember saying that.
    Though I would object to the term pets. Pets are used for pleasure. I think the term guardian is more suitable to rescued animals.

    So you say people can keep pets?


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