Milk and Dairy

Lady Haywire

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Ah yes, those horrible, terrible fields they graze in! Cattle are mainly housed in Ireland due to weather conditions but in drier land they can be wintered outside.

Not sure if you’re missing the point on purpose.

It’s imprisoned in a tortuous cycle to provide milk to humans and money to its ‘owner’. It’s a slave.

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

Are people now slaughtering pets for profit ?

Is it alright to do it if there is no profit in it?

Ridicule away guys.

You’re the ones struggling to understand a basic concept.

ganmo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What is your position on the matter ?

What has it got to do with vegan choices ?

Are people now slaughtering pets for profit ?

Are you trying to equate people who believe in animal rights and vegans?
As auspicious stated animal rights is the belief that all animals should be free from human control. All animals includes pets

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure if you’re missing the point on purpose.

It’s imprisoned in a tortuous cycle to provide milk to humans and money to its ‘owner’. It’s a slave.

You can check daft.ie for farmland. If you buy that farmland, then you can do what you like with it. It will also take it out of the hands of these evil farmers. Once you have it, you can populate it with all the happy animals that you would like.

auspicious

Jjameson wrote: »

Is that nonsense from your cult handbook or what?

Nope. They are the general definitions.
It's unsettling an animal farmer does not know these.

auspicious

Gary kk wrote: »

That's twisted.

So a life of exploitation and suffering is worth living?

thecomedian

auspicious wrote: »

That's fine by me.
A life under constant oppression and exploitation is not worth living without the hope of escape.
edit: and suffering

Really this is priceless.
You want to save the cows but your are happy to see them all die out!

The mind boggles at some of the post on here at times.

Donald Trump

Donald Trump wrote: »

You can check daft.ie for farmland. If you buy that farmland, then you can do what you like with it. It will also take it out of the hands of these evil farmers. Once you have it, you can populate it with all the happy animals that you would like.

Do you really think all farmers are evil ?

I think it would be easier if people just stopped consuming animal products.

That would prevent all the current cruelty.

thecomedian

thecomedian wrote: »

Really this is priceless.
You want to save the cows but your are happy to see them all die out!

The mind boggles at some of the post on here at times.

Are you worried about all the things that don’t exist ?

thecomedian

Donald Trump wrote: »

You can check daft.ie for farmland. If you buy that farmland, then you can do what you like with it. It will also take it out of the hands of these evil farmers. Once you have it, you can populate it with all the happy animals that you would like.

And once they do that, they can look after them.
Feed them, house them in the winter. Probably calf them.
Realise after a few years that they have too many cows for the size of land and then compassionately cull some lol

Donald Trump

thecomedian wrote: »

And once they do that, they can look after them.
Feed them, house them in the winter. Probably calf them.
Realise after a few years that they have too many cows for the size of land and then compassionately cull some lol

Wait til the regulations and paperwork and inspections hit them and they'll know all about it.

thecomedian

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are you worried about all the things that don’t exist ?

But they do exist.
Why do you want to kill all the cows?

Donald Trump

auspicious wrote: »

So a life of exploitation and suffering is worth living?

You might missed my post about pets. I'm interested to hear your viewpoint on that.



Especially cats - on whether you would allow housecats, or feral cats, or both.

thecomedian

auspicious wrote: »

So a life of exploitation and suffering is worth living?

Lies

Gary kk

auspicious wrote: »

So a life of exploitation and suffering is worth living?

Don't know really, I would assume some life is better than none. The cows aren't suffering they are out chewing the curd now. Happy out I would say tbh.

auspicious

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yet your signature has a message promoting dogs as pets.................




What about cats? I'm interested in your view on cats. Should people keep cats as pets?

Nope. It does not promote pet ownership. It promotes a solution to the problem of neglect and abandonment and crowded shelters which continual shopping causes by creating a demand which causes more and more to be bred.
Rescue cats. Massive feral population in Ireland. Tend to their needs and neuter as many as possible to solve the problem. Many get sick and and they have a detrimental impact on native biodiversity. People need to care more.

thecomedian

thecomedian wrote: »

But they do exist.
Why do you want to kill all the cows?

I don’t.

Are you failing to understand a basic philosophical question ?

Or are you pretending that you don’t understand my question ?

If it’s the latter then why are you bothering posting ?

auspicious

thecomedian wrote: »

Really this is priceless.
You want to save the cows but your are happy to see them all die out!

The mind boggles at some of the post on here at times.

The weird selectively bred cows that wouldn't exist in nature if it wasn't for us?

thecomedian

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don’t.

Are you failing to understand a basic philosophical question ?

Or are you pretending that you don’t understand my question ?

If it’s the latter then why are you bothering posting ?

What are you on about now?
I answered your question. Your question is only relevant if they didn’t exist, but they do.

thecomedian

auspicious wrote: »

The weird selectively bred cows that wouldn't exist in nature if it wasn't for us?

Some are, some are not.
But you want all of them to die out.

auspicious

Jjameson wrote: »

Tend to their needs with plant food?

Not cats imo. With dogs it's grand though you have to start them young on it. Look it up.

auspicious

thecomedian wrote: »

Some are, some are not.
But you want all of them to die out.

They are not dying out now are they. The don't live out their 'happy' lives chewing the cud. They are killed for profit.

thecomedian

auspicious wrote: »

Not cats imo. With dogs it's grand though you have to start them young on it. Look it up.

But you can’t keep them as pets, according to you.
So how do you start them young without holding them captive

onrail

Just stumbled on this thread. Full disclosure, I come from a farming background, but moved away years ago.

Just my opinion - on balance, Irish dairy cows have a bloody brilliant life. They are out in fresh pasture in the good weather, protected from the elements in poor weather, fed and watered to their heart's content.

It's not all positive obviously - the separation of calves from their mothers is a very obvious drawback, but all seems to be forgotten in a week or two. Having observed Dairy cows Vs Sucklers (who keep their calves to about nine months), do I think the sucklers and calves are more content? Not obviously.

The 'imprisonment' argument is fairly weak imo. Far better than the rest of us who are chained to our laptops and desks for 40 years in the hope of a brief retirement when your body is wrecked!

thecomedian

auspicious wrote: »

They are not dying out now are they. The don't live out their 'happy' lives chewing the cud. They are killed for profit.

You’re right they are not dieing out now because farmers look after them and care for them.
And a lot do live out their lives chewing their cud. Happy out!

auspicious

thecomedian wrote: »

But you can’t keep them as pets, according to you.
So how do you start them young without holding them captive

According to me? I can't remember saying that.
Though I would object to the term pets. Pets are used for pleasure. I think the term guardian is more suitable to rescued animals.

thecomedian

auspicious wrote: »

According to me? I can't remember saying that.
Though I would object to the term pets. Pets are used for pleasure. I think the term guardian is more suitable to rescued animals.

So you say people can keep pets?

auspicious

onrail wrote: »

It's not all positive obviously - the separation of calves from their mothers is a very obvious drawback, but all seems to be forgotten in a week or two. Having observed Dairy cows Vs Sucklers (who keep their calves to about nine months), do I think the sucklers and calves are more content? Not obviously.

The 'imprisonment' argument is fairly weak imo. Far better than the rest of us who are chained to our laptops and desks for 40 years in the hope of a brief retirement when your body is wrecked!

All seems to be forgotten. There is no way of knowing that. And since she can't tell you to stop it just happens again and again until killed at a young age.

It's your choice to be changed to your laptop.

auspicious

Jjameson wrote: »

If the calf is taken instantly there’s no bond. The calf knows no different and the cow settles very quickly. Divide a 9 month weanling and there is stress.

The bond and flow of chemicals conducive to it begin in pregnancy as in any mammal.