Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

alentejo · 02-11-2020 07:45PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1102/1175348-coronavirus-global/

What do people think of the Slovakia mass testing example? Could it work in Ireland?

s1ippy · 02-11-2020 07:47PM

Arghus wrote: »

Paul Cullen was asking about Tony's thoughts about the peak of excess mortality from this year, April, being roughly identical to the peak of excess mortality of previous years, which tended to happen in January - the implication in the question being that because we didn't see the "traditional" peak in January of this year we had a far larger cohort in the population who were vulnerable to the disease who would have, to put it bluntly, have already died in a usual January.

It's grist to the mill to the "sure these people were going to die anyway" argument. Tony saw where we was going and claimed to have not seen the report - didn't want to get drawn into it.

None of them ever get drawn. I've stopped bothering to watch. There's never new information, taking on board of facts journalists present, analysis. Just drive home the message of the day for sometimes over an hour.

BringBackMick · 02-11-2020 07:48PM

alentejo wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1102/1175348-coronavirus-global/

What do people think of the Slovakia mass testing example? Could it work in Ireland?

Can work in a NZ type location with limited movement of people.

Cannot see it working in a central European country

CIARAN_BOYLE · 02-11-2020 07:50PM

alentejo wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1102/1175348-coronavirus-global/

What do people think of the Slovakia mass testing example? Could it work in Ireland?

False negative rate is circa 30%. I'd like a generation or two further on the antigen test technology (20-25% rate).

stephenjmcd · 02-11-2020 07:54PM

Just spotted a piece on RTE News regarding jobs, a private testing service expanding in Ireland due to high demand for its services.

Surely they'd be better off offering their services to the HSE on contract firstly. No wonder numbers to seem off.

Stheno · 02-11-2020 07:54PM

s1ippy wrote: »

None of them ever get drawn. I've stopped bothering to watch. There's never new information, taking on board of facts journalists present, analysis. Just drive home the message of the day for sometimes over an hour.

Same here just don't bother watching anymore as I perceive they are very evasive

Arghus · 02-11-2020 07:55PM

s1ippy wrote: »

None of them ever get drawn. I've stopped bothering to watch. There's never new information, taking on board of facts journalists present, analysis. Just drive home the message of the day for sometimes over an hour.

The Monday ones are pretty forgettable, but I think Philip Nolan's stuff in the late week briefings is usually excellent.

wadacrack · 02-11-2020 07:57PM

It can be done in Africa with little resources. Europe need to beat this virus after this winter

https://twitter.com/ImogenFoulkes/status/1323306736334327810

Stheno · 02-11-2020 07:58PM

I just heard Tony on the radio claiming average cases in Dublin is over 300 per day?

Whats that based on does anyone know?

JoChervil · 02-11-2020 08:01PM

Not sure, if this has been posted here:

https://news.mit.edu/2020/covid-19-cough-cellphone-detection-1029

I think it's very interesting...

PowerToWait · 02-11-2020 08:02PM

boggerman1 wrote: »

Who in Ireland calls footpaths sidewalks.

Who gives a fig, presuming you're more than 12 years old.

Eod100 · 02-11-2020 08:04PM

Stheno wrote: »

I just heard Tony on the radio claiming average cases in Dublin is over 300 per day?

Whats that based on does anyone know?

7 day average I think.

14 day is 227.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1323325785088892929/photo/1

spookwoman · 02-11-2020 08:04PM

02-11-2020 08:08PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

So that you're not spreading the virus to people you pass on the crowded sidewalk.

Don’t be silly, no such thing as sidewalks in Ireland. Was probably when you were walking around the block trying to find your SUV to load the truck with the new faucet but could remember the color

ElTel · 02-11-2020 08:09PM

JoChervil wrote: »

Not sure, if this has been posted here:

https://news.mit.edu/2020/covid-19-cough-cellphone-detection-1029

I think it's very interesting...

Yup and I've heard that machine learning/AI shows equal or superior ability in reading chest scans too compared to experienced doctors.

Your doctor will be the" second opinion" in the not too distant future!

What Username Guidelines · 02-11-2020 08:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Interesting case numbers... baffled tbh

It looks like swabs and cases have decoupled over the last week. Perhaps from a heavy slant towards private testing, not sure. I've stopped tracking the backlog as a running total as it's so wildly off it makes no sense to track.

Rob A. Bank · 02-11-2020 08:23PM

JoChervil wrote: »

Not sure, if this has been posted here:

https://news.mit.edu/2020/covid-19-cough-cellphone-detection-1029

I think it's very interesting...

Interesting stuff indeed... the ability to discern asymptomatic Covid coughs from healthy coughs, caused by subtle changes in the vocal cords and other organs. It prompted some random thoughts...

A few infected people (the superspreaders) are responsible for the large majority of coronavirus contagion. It is estimated that 80% of transmissions are caused by between 10% and 20% of positive cases.

For example, if five people had the coronavirus, two of them would not infect anyone, the other two might spread it to one person each and the fifth person would infect eight others.

There is a wealth of information available about super-spreading events but very little on trying to identify who the superspreaders are.

Have the superspreaders a higher viral load or a just a very active social life ?

Do they have some anatomical difference, like gaps between their teeth or peculiar vocal cords, which aerosolize or dispense the corona droplets more easily ?

Do they speak louder than others or are there some other distinguishing features ?

I don’t know the answers to these questions, but if superspreaders could be identified before they cause havoc, it could help enormously in reducing the transmission and pain caused by Covid-19.

speckle · 02-11-2020 08:25PM

Stheno wrote: »

Same here just don't bother watching anymore as I perceive they are very evasive

I havent watched it in awhile until today and guess what is scribbled over my page of notes.... the very same thing.

When asked re vitamin D... one example Holahan side stepped it in his answer and the woman to the left only referred to it negatively as a ' treatment' which was not what the journalist asked and not even the public sees it has a treatment but something if low could be a negative to your situation if positive. keep mentioning alchol and tob and obesity.
No mention of using this time to up ICU beds and staff. holahan just mentioned they are concentrating on transmisdion and cases. Woman to right better with stats but only mentioned 5 day incident rate. Saying no drop in dublin cases. deaths oct 103 possible/probably covid but not clear if just registered with 39 NH.
Have to watch rest yet but the evasiveness turned me off I needed a break.

Non solum non ambulabit · 02-11-2020 08:26PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It looks like swabs and cases have decoupled over the last week. Perhaps from a heavy slant towards private testing, not sure. I've stopped tracking the backlog as a running total as it's so wildly off it makes no sense to track.

In a week if we are say 500 more cases than swabs then that would mean around 10k private tests, assuming positive rate of 5%.

We can't be doing that many surely?

spookwoman · 02-11-2020 08:29PM

Testing data is anyone looking for it

sheepsh4gger · 02-11-2020 08:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don’t be silly, no such thing as sidewalks in Ireland. Was probably when you were walking around the block trying to find your SUV to load the truck with the new faucet but could remember the color

ok mick

Stheno · 02-11-2020 08:32PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

In a week if we are say 500 more cases than swabs then that would mean around 10k private tests, assuming positive rate of 5%.

We can't be doing that many surely?

You'd be surprised. Some of my colleagues had to travel urgently for business recently and on returning the company sent them for private PCR and Antibody tests

Golfman64 · 02-11-2020 08:33PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just spotted a piece on RTE News regarding jobs, a private testing service expanding in Ireland due to high demand for its services.

Surely they'd be better off offering their services to the HSE on contract firstly. No wonder numbers to seem off.

Will be used by people travelling for work and leisure during the coming months under the new EU travel policy for Orange and Red countries, so will be excellent from that perspective and well needed.

wowzer · 02-11-2020 08:33PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just spotted a piece on RTE News regarding jobs, a private testing service expanding in Ireland due to high demand for its services.

Surely they'd be better off offering their services to the HSE on contract firstly. No wonder numbers to seem off.

Saw that and thought the same..

What Username Guidelines · 02-11-2020 08:34PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

In a week if we are say 500 more cases than swabs then that would mean around 10k private tests, assuming positive rate of 5%.

We can't be doing that many surely?

I havent a clue tbh

On one hand, perhaps private testing is throwing up a higher % due to close contacts going themselves as opposed to waiting for tracing. But as with Stheno's example of people using it for travel purposes, that would push the % down.

It's all guesswork, and hard to grasp a holistic view.

Stheno · 02-11-2020 08:36PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just spotted a piece on RTE News regarding jobs, a private testing service expanding in Ireland due to high demand for its services.

Surely they'd be better off offering their services to the HSE on contract firstly. No wonder numbers to seem off.

By the time they got through the nonsensical bureaucracy that is engaging with the HSE it would be this time next year probably

2ndcoming · 02-11-2020 08:38PM

wadacrack wrote: »

It can be done in Africa with little resources. Europe need to beat this virus after this winter

https://twitter.com/ImogenFoulkes/status/1323306736334327810

Sierra Leone has a life expectancy of 55 and 1 / 10 death rate of children under 5. Covid is unlikely to be a major worry there, as there's hardly anyone either old enough or sick enough to develop serious illness around to catch it.

Non solum non ambulabit · 02-11-2020 08:45PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I havent a clue tbh

On one hand, perhaps private testing is throwing up a higher % due to close contacts going themselves as opposed to waiting for tracing. But as with Stheno's example of people using it for travel purposes, that would push the % down.

It's all guesswork, and hard to grasp a holistic view.

Yes, I'd imagine private testing would have very low positivity as anyone sick or a close contact would be HSE tested.

Loafing Oaf · 02-11-2020 08:54PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

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Have the superspreaders a higher viral load or a just a very active social life ?

Do they have some anatomical difference, like gaps between their teeth or peculiar vocal cords, which aerosolize or dispense the corona droplets more easily ?

is_that_so · 02-11-2020 09:06PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

ok mick

Your charm knows no bounds

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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